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RE: A choice.. or a decision? - 6/7/2010 6:39:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: jbcurious

So while I don't do the actual pursuing...it's very much a choice for me.


yes that's true for me too
though i have to say that slowly slowly over the years i have learnt to beautifully manipulate certain situations... and i am better at flirting too.

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RE: A choice.. or a decision? - 6/7/2010 7:07:38 AM   
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I have done both. I have had a guy show interest and then shown it back, or not. And I have basically thrown myself at men too.

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RE: A choice.. or a decision? - 6/7/2010 8:15:42 AM   
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What I'm reading through this thread is the question; Do you chase or wait to be chased (probably after berlying the waters to get the target's attention. Now I'm really a shy sort of chap, who from an early age had issues dealing with rejection ergo don't put yourself in the position of being rejected (better to be the ejector than the ejectee). Once I had figured the female hunting game was to attract a male's attention from across the room, and then ignore him so he would be biologically driven to make the moves (chase), I chose to reverse this process and turn the tables on women I was attracted to (or lusted after). I discovered that a women often can not stand being ignored which is what I would do after the eye catching and smiling across a crowded room thing. I'd be sitting drink in hand obviously alone and waiting for my prey to approach.. VWEG  Well bugger me dead but it jolly well worked for years it worked consistently. I made a decision and chose to invite the lady to decide if she wanted to choose me.

I didn't do this with Neets. We were all out at a pub celebrating her 22 birthday and that of another GF who invited me. I thought Neets couldn't stand me and she thought I was taken and wasn't interested. Within a week we were in bed and together daily, three months later we were engaged, two years later we were married 21 September 2001.. I chose and she chose, I made decisions, she made decisions. All works out in the end for better or worse but it does work out.


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RE: A choice.. or a decision? - 6/7/2010 8:28:28 AM   
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I am not used to pursuing, but perhaps it is a mindset. Some women are more aggressive. When I was younger my best friend reeled in more men than I could count, but she set out for her target and before I knew it they were at the table with us.


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ORIGINAL: domiguy

Missy you are not alone....Read these replies closely. Not one of these women are the pursuer.

They seem to be resigned to accept only those men that show an interest not to pursue those that they have an interest in.

They talk a nice game but the end result is not so different then what you have personally experienced.


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RE: A choice.. or a decision? - 6/7/2010 8:29:36 AM   
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LOL as if 4 yrs was not enough of a sabatical. Hon, I have done decade long stretches between men in my life. I am still the same with the same style.

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You don't know if you are fish or fowl do you?
Give yourself a sabbatical until you are a little less bewildered you poor thing.


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RE: A choice.. or a decision? - 6/7/2010 8:34:37 AM   
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I considered this for a moment. Do I have a fear of rejection among my many other phobias? I might, but that does not develop until long after I have stepped my foot over the line where I see a man as someone I want in my life.
I love men. I am flirtatious with males from toddlers to dodder'rs. I don't fear rejection from them because they are not "in" my life any more than the moon or the stars.

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ORIGINAL: porcelaine

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ORIGINAL: Missokyst
I can't speak for others but I know there were definite fears of rejection that I've overcome. It's actually very empowering to be the captain of my own ship so to speak.




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RE: A choice.. or a decision? - 6/7/2010 8:36:34 AM   
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I think this fits for many women. I have been fortunate that my instincts led me (or they to me!) to some very nice men.


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ORIGINAL: jbcurious

I never actually pursue... but I will do things to me more noticable to someone I'm attracted to whether it's the simple act of flirting or my grand scheme in high school, which involved finding out all of his classes, getting out of mine a few minutes early, dashing across campus so we could "accidently" bump into each other, but I still need them to make the actual moves to start something.

On the other hand...I can't be talked into something simply because a man has decided he wants me and doesn't take no for an answer, I have to feel a pretty strong attraction...

I've done this in the past and it's never worked out in the long run and I'm left thinking that I should have gone with my initial instincts.

So while I don't do the actual pursuing...it's very much a choice for me.


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RE: A choice.. or a decision? - 6/7/2010 8:41:16 AM   
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Online has never been an option for me, largely because of my tendency toward agorophobia. Online suggests living here, behind safe walls and confinement. lol too many of the men who wrote to me initially from CM and other spots all felt geared toward fantasy. I like to meet guys face to face. :) besides.. how else can you see if the intellect matches the frame, the voice or the scent?

Thank you for your comments. I AM ready! lol or as near to the sun that I can feel the heat radiating over my flesh.

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ORIGINAL: laurell3

If you were online looking only, maybe that would really limit your choices as the most active mailers tend to be people that may not be overly genuine. However, you're out there and actually meeting people in person. Whether you are actively striking up the conversation or just looking around and getting to know people, you are going to put off cues of interest whether you realize it or not.

I'm happy that you are getting out there and overcoming those fears and you have realized that you are ready for it. Kudos to you for taking that step, I know it's not an easy one. Do what is comfortable for you.




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RE: A choice.. or a decision? - 6/7/2010 8:44:41 AM   
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This is me. I am quite content pottering along on my own. I have always been a loner. Even when I am a leader it is my way of putting distance between me and a group while staying in the realm.

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ORIGINAL: lally2
- in other words, unless the decision is made for me ill just potter along in my own little way.

once the decision has been made, like with the relationship im in now, where we'd spent months and months just communicating occasionally because i was in and out of relationships like i was caught in a revolving door and once that i wasnt he stepped up and said 'right, lets do something with this already!' - up until then i was quite happy being foot loose and yapping to him whenever he blew through - and would have carried on that way indefinitely.


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RE: A choice.. or a decision? - 6/7/2010 8:50:42 AM   
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Wonderful. Glad to know I am not alone on the boards being a natural loner and one who with any group like to keep some personal distance.




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RE: A choice.. or a decision? - 6/7/2010 8:51:16 AM   
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I think it is because I am pretty content on my own. I don't regard men as something that make my life complete, instead they are something that add texture, value, and beauty to my otherwise very nice life. They kick up the notch to a higher level. I cannot imagine pursuing a man any more than I was comfy in commission sales. Sure I was good at it, but only because I did my best to make sure the sale worked for my client more than my purse.


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ORIGINAL: kiwisub12

Hmmm .......   so  the OP's modus operandi is to run until the strongest most persistant dragon in the sky can catch her. Well, if that works for her, good. Hopefully she enjoys the men that she ends up with, BUT......  if she doesn't then she needs to change the way she does things.  And that isn't easy.

Sounds to me OP- that the way you have decided to make your choice of men is (sort of) working for you.   I don't think this is a conscious decision by any manner of means- but you are missing out on a world of men who aren't as persistant/pushy/assertive/thick skinned/confident/desperate/insertadjectiveofchoicehere . Sometimes, when you step out of your comfort zone, you find the most amazing people, people you would never have found otherwise, as i did with my Sir.
He was not someone that i would have ever chosen out of a line-up, but we have had the most amazing life together. And even though it is coming to a close, i would not change a minute of it.

So, if you want to change the way you choose your men, think about why you need to be hunted down and conquered , why it is the strongest in the sky that is the only one that can have you.







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RE: A choice.. or a decision? - 6/7/2010 8:53:13 AM   
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This makes sense. I can definitely say that if I had zero interest I would have said no the minute the car didn't get on the freeway to head down to the party.


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ORIGINAL: LadyCimarron

Its both. I love being pursued and I have 100% choice over who I allow to catch me. I think when women allow men to pursue we are separating the ones who really want us from the players. And notice I did say "allow" them to pursue. Because we can put on the brakes anytime we get ready to.

So if I am absolutely NOT interested in a guy I give him a firm NO. But if I AM interested I will say something like "I don't know if your my type" which is code for "I kinda like you but you need to convince me you are not an axe murderer."  If a guy gives up after an "I don't know" I don't think he really wanted me anyway.


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RE: A choice.. or a decision? - 6/7/2010 9:38:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: IronBear
What I'm reading through this thread is the question; Do you chase or wait to be chased (probably after berlying the waters to get the target's attention. Now I'm really a shy sort of chap, who from an early age had issues dealing with rejection ergo don't put yourself in the position of being rejected (better to be the ejector than the ejectee). Once I had figured the female hunting game was to attract a male's attention from across the room, and then ignore him so he would be biologically driven to make the moves (chase), I chose to reverse this process and turn the tables on women I was attracted to (or lusted after). I discovered that a women often can not stand being ignored which is what I would do after the eye catching and smiling across a crowded room thing. I'd be sitting drink in hand obviously alone and waiting for my prey to approach.. VWEG  Well bugger me dead but it jolly well worked for years it worked consistently. I made a decision and chose to invite the lady to decide if she wanted to choose me.


I don't pretend to know how other people's minds work, so I suppose it's possible that you're right about how some women "can not stand" being ignored because their expectations are for male pursuit.  For me, the moves you describe making are the only ones that can get my interest, but it's not because I can't stand being ignored and not pursued, it's because I am only attracted to men who are shy and who prefer to be pursued.  A man who shows his interest and then turns shy and invites me to do the pursuing, willingly becoming my prey and my prize, is one that does catch my interest.  I'll have that dance with him, and decline to dance with men who approach me, because they're flagging the wrong colors.

Though it's interesting that you're a dominant.  Most of the men I've seen do these kinds of behaviors are submissive.  Presumably chase or be chased is one more dynamic that is not necessarily tied strictly to one side of the kneel.


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RE: A choice.. or a decision? - 6/7/2010 9:47:40 AM   
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I have known quite a few girls that have said "if he had only pushed harder he would have gotten what he wanted" of course im paraphrasing but you get the idea. Their mindset is more like you have got to man up and take it before I will give it up. My experience has been "no" rarely means no.

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RE: A choice.. or a decision? - 6/7/2010 9:57:08 AM   
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Having a Dom try to "claim" me or pursue me really aggressively sounds like a hot fantasy, but in RL that approach is a big turn-off for me. I prefer to be with a Dom that wants to get to know me as a friend and treats me as an equal until we've both made a decision to take it to a different place. Now, that doesn't mean having them give me little orders and assert dominance in little ways before that isn't hot and appealing, of course. But ultimately, for me, I need to be an active decision-maker in my life... at least until I make an active decision to let someone else lead. :)

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RE: A choice.. or a decision? - 6/7/2010 9:59:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: heartcream

I have done both. I have had a guy show interest and then shown it back, or not. And I have basically thrown myself at men too.


ah... yes, unfortunately i vaguely remember i have thrown myself at a few men too... in my case i can hardly sell that as being in pursuit though... looking back i seemed more than desperate and quite mad really (or totaly drunk)

also SB: i have said 'no' and meant it... unfortunately the guy thought he knew better... and it turned out a nasty memory... for both of us i am sure
i suppose there are nicer situations in which 'no' means 'yes please', but i think it is very very dodgy to take liberties like this before you properly know your partner.

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RE: A choice.. or a decision? - 6/7/2010 10:03:15 AM   
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ORIGINAL: graceadieu

Having a Dom try to "claim" me or pursue me really aggressively sounds like a hot fantasy, but in RL that approach is a big turn-off for me.


What!  Preposterous.  Get on your knees now, bitch, and submit to your True Dominant Master!  Everybody knows that subby girls love this approach and respond well to it, even if they pretend otherwise.  After all, no rarely means no, so I'll just keep on sending you pictures of My fully erect erect penis, all four mighty inches of it, until you capitulate.  Bow before My majestic greatness!


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RE: A choice.. or a decision? - 6/7/2010 10:42:34 AM   
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Most definitely. I have been a risk taker almost as much as I have been a cautious one. On occasion some men assumed no meant yes, and only really understood I meant NO, when their bodies hit the pavement. Always know your partner before making such moves. Hmm... I guess this means the men in my group have really paid attention! lol good to know.


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ORIGINAL: heartcream

I have done both. I have had a guy show interest and then shown it back, or not. And I have basically thrown myself at men too.


ah... yes, unfortunately i vaguely remember i have thrown myself at a few men too... in my case i can hardly sell that as being in pursuit though... looking back i seemed more than desperate and quite mad really (or totaly drunk)

also SB: i have said 'no' and meant it... unfortunately the guy thought he knew better... and it turned out a nasty memory... for both of us i am sure
i suppose there are nicer situations in which 'no' means 'yes please', but i think it is very very dodgy to take liberties like this before you properly know your partner.


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RE: A choice.. or a decision? - 6/7/2010 10:54:52 AM   
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I've never actively sought a relationship, other than for a specific play experience. It's always been something that evolved organically over time and then a recognition of what it was.

This is how I work too. Although, I gotta admit, the "over time" part with Carol lasted a sum total of 3 hours *laughs*. The whole idea that I would hunt or pursue someone is just a blank in my head. Why would I do that? What would I hope to gain? Most importantly, I think, from my perspective is that I don't treating dating as a "game" with moves to be made and a trophy to be won or lost. I understand that a lot of people do, but that is like a whole parallel universe to me.

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ORIGINAL: LadyCimarron
Its both. I love being pursued and I have 100% choice over who I allow to catch me. I think when women allow men to pursue we are separating the ones who really want us from the players.
How fascinating. I would've assumed that the only thing left at the end of such a long, elaborate bit of gamesmanship was "the players".

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RE: A choice.. or a decision? - 6/7/2010 12:06:19 PM   
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I don't think of it as throwing myself at someone. Either I'm intrigued or I'm not. It doesn't take me forever to figure that out. Nor do I believe it's fair to entertain someone that I'm never going forward with. Niceties aside, if they wanted a pal we'd be having a different discussion. Now I'll admit I enjoy a man with mental prowess. But the idea that he has to wear me down to get me? I can't wrap my mind around that.

I'm generally drawn to the one that knocks me off kilter who refuses to play the game. Someone who's character and presence don't necessitate such antics. He knows himself and challenges me to do the same. We don't hide behind roles or pretenses, but relate openly instead.

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