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IronBear -> RE: Public or Private Displays. (6/13/2010 3:40:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddysInkedSlut quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel quote: ORIGINAL: DaddysInkedSlut kinksters are not the only ones who use a collar and leash in public. I've always assumed that those goths were also kinksters. How does one get lead around on a leash and not be kinky [sm=idea.gif] Does that mean everyone who wears a collar is also kinky?? The reality is there are people out there that wear these things and do these things who are not involved in bdsm lifestyle. Sadly or maybe not so sad, collars have been adapted and adopted as fashion accessories in one form or another. Mind you the US Government or at lkeast the US Navy adopted heavy leather collars as a mandatory on ship uniform accessory or piece of safety equipment/early body armour. Does this then infer or define the US Marines are by Naval Law, Kinky? Perhaps not, but it is the reason the marines are called "Leather Necks" as the wide heavy leather collar was to protect them from having their throats from being cut at night by pissed off sailors.

leadership527 -> RE: Public or Private Displays. (6/13/2010 3:47:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel I've always assumed that those goths were also kinksters. How does one get lead around on a leash and not be kinky. Well, Carol wears a collar and frequently a leash and I don't consider it kinky. For us, it's no kinkier than our wedding rings. I'm not arguing any right or wrong here, just pointing out that not everyone associates D/s with sexuality.

GotSteel -> RE: Public or Private Displays. (6/16/2010 7:17:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaddysInkedSlut quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel quote: ORIGINAL: DaddysInkedSlut kinksters are not the only ones who use a collar and leash in public. I've always assumed that those goths were also kinksters. How does one get lead around on a leash and not be kinky [sm=idea.gif] Does that mean everyone who wears a collar is also kinky?? The reality is there are people out there that wear these things and do these things who are not involved in bdsm lifestyle. My understanding is that collars have gotten popular enough that some just wear them as a fashion accessory. Last I knew leashes weren't that popular, seems to me that people being lead around on a leash would be at least a little into some kink perhaps exhibitionism.

GotSteel -> RE: Public or Private Displays. (6/16/2010 7:25:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: leadership527 Well, Carol wears a collar and frequently a leash and I don't consider it kinky. For us, it's no kinkier than our wedding rings. I'm not arguing any right or wrong here, just pointing out that not everyone associates D/s with sexuality. There's no kink like say power exchange going on?

daddysprop247 -> RE: Public or Private Displays. (6/16/2010 9:21:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel quote: ORIGINAL: leadership527 Well, Carol wears a collar and frequently a leash and I don't consider it kinky. For us, it's no kinkier than our wedding rings. I'm not arguing any right or wrong here, just pointing out that not everyone associates D/s with sexuality. There's no kink like say power exchange going on? my apologies for butting in, but my Master and i do not consider my collar and leash to be in any way kinky either. we do not have a "kink" for power exchange or anything else. this is just who we are and the way we live.

ranja -> RE: Public or Private Displays. (6/16/2010 1:31:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel quote: ORIGINAL: leadership527 Well, Carol wears a collar and frequently a leash and I don't consider it kinky. For us, it's no kinkier than our wedding rings. I'm not arguing any right or wrong here, just pointing out that not everyone associates D/s with sexuality. There's no kink like say power exchange going on? Yes... so there are some middle-aged people involved in a power exchange relationship and the slave wears a collar and leash on a regular basis and to them this is in no way kinky... well bugger me... why then bother at all??? My Husband decided that i should wear a nappy in public... no one could see the thing of course but i was ridiculously turned on... if it would not turn me on... if it would leave Him totally cold aswell, why bloody bother? i would not walk around in a nappy or a collar in public for any other reason than it being a turn on... and i always have thought fashionistas to be a bit silly... but a great diversion... if anyone would be shocked to notice a collar or a nappy on me then i could quickly pretend it is just a trend i am following to reassure them like...

IronBear -> RE: Public or Private Displays. (6/16/2010 3:15:32 PM)
There is the other way of looking at this of course. I leash a girl to take her shopping, it may have nothing to do with turning either of us on, but it has everything to do with I choose to do this. End of story. The reasons are my reasons and need no explaining or explanation other then "I chose to do this" or "Because I can". There will be one or three who neither understand this or disagree but this is the way it is for myself and numerous others involved in M/s dynamics.

ranja -> RE: Public or Private Displays. (6/17/2010 1:22:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: IronBear There is the other way of looking at this of course. I leash a girl to take her shopping, it may have nothing to do with turning either of us on, but it has everything to do with I choose to do this. End of story. yes, and that is enough of a turn on innit? because if the girl isn't bothered at all and you could just as easily decide not to fart around with the collar... then why ffs would you go out with a bitch on a leash at your age?... to shock the public?

lally2 -> RE: Public or Private Displays. (6/17/2010 3:37:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ranja quote: ORIGINAL: IronBear There is the other way of looking at this of course. I leash a girl to take her shopping, it may have nothing to do with turning either of us on, but it has everything to do with I choose to do this. End of story. yes, and that is enough of a turn on innit? because if the girl isn't bothered at all and you could just as easily decide not to fart around with the collar... then why ffs would you go out with a bitch on a leash at your age?... to shock the public? drop the ageism, that is so crass. people affectate (if there is such a word all of the time) i was on the london tube once and a group of about 8 lesbians took up a whole section of the compartment i was in and started snogging and heavy petting - for shock factor alone, it was purile and childish - ive never seen a group of vanillas do that ever. a bit of snogging maybe, but definitely not hands down pants and frigging each other off. alot of what Ds or Ms is has nothing at all to do with being horney, it isnt always about kink, sometimes its purely and simply an expression of who you are and how you feel. youve been posting on these boards for long enough to surely know that by now. youre persistant ignorance borders on arrogance. personally id feel incredibly uncomfy being led around by my collar, even in london but i can understand why people feel that it is ok and it should be ok to do so if theyre feelings for who and what they are to each other is none of anyones business. it would be a surprising sight though and there would be a certain amount of 'mummy why is that woman being led like a dog' but generally id view that as fairly harmless. spanking someone whilst waiting for the bus would be wrong.

IronBear -> RE: Public or Private Displays. (6/17/2010 4:33:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ranja quote: ORIGINAL: IronBear There is the other way of looking at this of course. I leash a girl to take her shopping, it may have nothing to do with turning either of us on, but it has everything to do with I choose to do this. End of story. yes, and that is enough of a turn on innit? because if the girl isn't bothered at all and you could just as easily decide not to fart around with the collar... then why ffs would you go out with a bitch on a leash at your age?... to shock the public? You miss the point entirely. Perhaps if you remove sex from your thinking and understand that not all DS is about sex or motivated by sex, but motivated by domination. When I have a slave in a collar she or he is my property, no more and no less, albeit extremely valued and cherished property. I do what I do because: I can! I choose to. I choose to display my property. I desire to allow her or him to be leashed in public because they feel safer. I am not ashamed of my lifestyle in any way, shape or form and it not illegal. Any other reason I see fit to use. In other areas when I am openly seen as an Ordained Pagan Priest which shocks some people who want to start burning Pagans again, I have given upo using shock techniques decades ago when I grew up. In fact I tend to me more understated than anything else unless I need to expose my fangs or demonstrate a point. Your ageism slur is duly noted. You fill well into the typical mind set of Queenslanders I come across regarding marrying a lady half my age and who make a point to try to push me out of social areas I enjoy, clubs etc. I forgive you for that crass, ill bread and rude comment. Thank you lally for that, you are sweet.

daddysprop247 -> RE: Public or Private Displays. (6/17/2010 8:31:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: IronBear You miss the point entirely. Perhaps if you remove sex from your thinking and understand that not all DS is about sex or motivated by sex, but motivated by domination. When I have a slave in a collar she or he is my property, no more and no less, albeit extremely valued and cherished property. I do what I do because: I can! I choose to. I choose to display my property. I desire to allow her or him to be leashed in public because they feel safer. I am not ashamed of my lifestyle in any way, shape or form and it not illegal. Any other reason I see fit to use. well said Sir. my Master would answer similarly...when he collars and leashes (actually for the past 2 years he has used a lead instead of a leash...more control) me in public, it has nothing to do with turning him on or attempting to shock the general public. He does it because he can, because he wishes to, and because i am his. no other purpose necessary.

GotSteel -> RE: Public or Private Displays. (6/17/2010 11:16:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: daddysprop247 my apologies for butting in, but my Master and i do not consider my collar and leash to be in any way kinky either. we do not have a "kink" for power exchange or anything else. this is just who we are and the way we live. You have a Master but no power exchange [sm=idea.gif] I think you must have a very different idea what these terms mean than I do.

leadership527 -> RE: Public or Private Displays. (6/17/2010 11:37:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ranja Yes... so there are some middle-aged people involved in a power exchange relationship and the slave wears a collar and leash on a regular basis and to them this is in no way kinky... well bugger me... why then bother at all??? Carol and I do this because it is just who we are... it doesn't turn us on. She wears the collar because it is another symbol of our relationship, much like the wedding ring and no more erotic than a wedding ring. I like leashing her because it is a connector between us. Almost invariably, she is leashed while we watch a movie on the couch or in bed and in both cases, it's just a way to be connected. She wears her collar in public for the same reasons that she wears her wedding ring in public. We don't take off our wedding rings... ever and the same is true of the collar. I have leashed her in public for a few different reasons but none of them had to do with anything sexual. The bottom line here is that for YOU this is a sexually motivated activity and so you cannot conceive of why others would do it in the absence of that. For others... well... Carol and I at least, this is simply a comfortable way to behave in our marriage. Trust me on this... your viewpoint is just as incomprehensible to me as mine is to yours. To me I think, "Wow, that's an awful lot of drama to go through for some sex". quote: GotSteel said You have a Master but no power exchange. I think you must have a very different idea what these terms mean than I do. Yes, in short. That is abundantly obvious to me and (unless she corrects me which I'm pretty sure she won't) daddysprop also.

ranja -> RE: Public or Private Displays. (6/17/2010 12:05:48 PM)
Look people, i am all for doing your thing... and if your thing is to walk around town with a woman on a leash, what ever age you are, i am totally fine with it. I am not one of these people who can not explain to any children in my company when we encounter such a sight that it is just a silly game two people are playing... much like they do when they (the children) play dogs... and we'll have a giggle. It is just that when you engage in such behaviour and it is not because you are trying out a new versage or guggy or whatever fashion thing, then call it for what it is: a sexually driven act I am not impressed by pointing a finger at me and saying patronisingly that i miss the point and that i am an ageist... i am not a spring chicken myself and am of the opinion that people over a certain age should be wise enough to know what they are doing and why, and not hide behind strange excuses Would anybody put a leash on their teenage daughter or son when shopping? i don't think so

IronBear -> RE: Public or Private Displays. (6/17/2010 12:20:05 PM)
An apology may have been more appropriate but if that is not forth coming then others will judge I do not. I forgave you. I will say however, if any slave of mine made such a crude, rude, disrespectful and crass ageist comment as you did, she would have an appointment with the cane or whip. I know other Masters who would and will agree with this. A sub/slave making such a statements in a public forum reflects badly on his or her Dominant.

leadership527 -> RE: Public or Private Displays. (6/17/2010 12:23:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ranja It is just that when you engage in such behaviour and it is not because you are trying out a new versage or guggy or whatever fashion thing, then call it for what it is: a sexually driven act Which is all fine and dandy... but what if it isn't that? Here... There's no need for me to be obscure about it. The last time I had Carol leashed in public, it was because it was pushing a serious boundary of hers. There were two specific goals. a) In general I push her boundaries so that she gets used to the idea that they are mine to push as I see fit. This one is particularly troublesome for her. b) Carol is way too sensitive about what other people think in general. I refer to this as "submitting to the entire world". So I was forcing her to stand up for herself and take up space in the real world... a growth opportunity for her. There..... those were my reasons... no sexuality involved.

lally2 -> RE: Public or Private Displays. (6/17/2010 12:33:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ranja .It is just that when you engage in such behaviour and it is not because you are trying out a new versage or guggy or whatever fashion thing, then call it for what it is: a sexually driven act in youre world maybe, not in everyone elses - I am not impressed by pointing a finger at me and saying patronisingly that i miss the point and that i am an ageist... i am not a spring chicken myself and am of the opinion that people over a certain age should be wise enough to know what they are doing and why, and not hide behind strange excuses youre comment was ageist and youre assumption that everyone does everything all of the time to get a kinky thrill out of it is just not true. youre kink driven so fine, dont assume everyone else is all of the time. Would anybody put a leash on their teenage daughter or son when shopping? i don't think so of course not, consent - remember?? - the thing that Ds and Ms is built on.

ranja -> RE: Public or Private Displays. (6/17/2010 12:37:57 PM)
IronBear... i might be sorry enough to take some punishment... if my Husband would allow it and you could be bothered... in public even... Leadership... i see your reason a) and b) as you playing with your wife to me it is indeed totally un-understandable that people of my age are making imo strange excuses for sexual play... however mild it is, it is sexual never the less... or maybe sensual would be the better word?

lally2 -> RE: Public or Private Displays. (6/17/2010 12:45:45 PM)
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heartcream -> RE: Public or Private Displays. (6/17/2010 12:51:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: IronBear An apology may have been more appropriate but if that is not forth coming then others will judge I do not. I forgave you. I will say however, if any slave of mine made such a crude, rude, disrespectful and crass ageist comment as you did, she would have an appointment with the cane or whip. I know other Masters who would and will agree with this. A sub/slave making such a statements in a public forum reflects badly on his or her Dominant. Punishment is so archaic and ridiculous. If you get off whipping someone up to you but to punish someone is toxic and unhealthy and perpetuates the crap deep seated imprinting that one deserves to be punished. Personally I absolutely loathe this line of thought and action.

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