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RE: Hawking: Religion will be defeated by science - 6/9/2010 5:58:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: eyesopened
I guess I don't understand the word "defeated" but there appears to be people who honestly believe that religion itself is an enemy.

I don't know if I'm opposed to religion itself, I suppose it would depend on how the word is defined.

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ORIGINAL: eyesopened
My God isn't the property of any specific religion nor is my God in opposition to science.

However, I am opposed to people claiming ownership of a deity. If there is a god, he/she/it/they isn't yours.

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RE: Hawking: Religion will be defeated by science - 6/9/2010 5:58:53 PM   
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No one can ask you to kill in the name of "science"?!

Hitler killed 6 million Jews, Gypsies and "others' in his scientific eugenics program.

Stalin killed 20-50 millions of his own citizens in his quest to impose the "scientific" vision of mankind.

And I'm not including the purely political wars of the 20th Century which easily resulted in the deaths of millions more (15 million in WWI, and 50 million in WWII for example).

If there are massive deaths to account for, religious wars are a pimple of the ass of science, and pure old politics.

Makes me wonder why you would spend so much effort to try to portray it the other way around?

Firm
PS. And I forgot Mao's attempt at a "scientific political revolution" where more than 20 million died.


It amazes me that you constantly pull turds out of your ass and expect people to believe that they are pearls of wisdom.
You want to justify hitlers genocide with the same psuedo science he used by calling it science.
You claim 20-50 dead russians without any validation for the numbers and claim it was a scientific endeavor.
You claim 20 million dead chinese with no validation for the numbers except your ex cathedra mouth and claim it was a scientific endeavor.
Shit floats but not that shit.

You need to put down that crackpipe, thompson.

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RE: Hawking: Religion will be defeated by science - 6/9/2010 6:00:25 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GotSteel
However, I am opposed to people claiming ownership of a deity. If there is a god, he/she/it/they isn't yours.

OMG! as they are saying in the world of texting.

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RE: Hawking: Religion will be defeated by science - 6/9/2010 6:01:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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You always do this: try to discredit the source, rather than discuss the facts.

Firm


Are you saying that you never do this?


I always question the source, and how something is presented.  And I will usually mention it, giving specifics about how their conclusions can be biased, if I think it is.

I don't, however, throw out the "facts" they present.  I may point out if the facts are collected in such a manner as support their bias, without considering countervailing facts and information.  Or if they use selective "facts" to build an argument that doesn't consider missing pertinent facts.

I'm still waiting for BS to even tell me how any of the sources misrepresent the facts, or even summarize what "the facts" are that she disputes.  And she's not going to, because she doesn't want to face the embarrassment of finding out that maybe she has staked out an unsupportable position. 

I gave her links to millions of sources which discuss "the facts" of my argument.  And she ignores them.

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Are you saying that you have never dismissed, out of hand, someones source because of your percieved bias in that source?

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RE: Hawking: Religion will be defeated by science - 6/9/2010 6:03:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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No one can ask you to kill in the name of "science"?!

Hitler killed 6 million Jews, Gypsies and "others' in his scientific eugenics program.

Stalin killed 20-50 millions of his own citizens in his quest to impose the "scientific" vision of mankind.

And I'm not including the purely political wars of the 20th Century which easily resulted in the deaths of millions more (15 million in WWI, and 50 million in WWII for example).

If there are massive deaths to account for, religious wars are a pimple of the ass of science, and pure old politics.

Makes me wonder why you would spend so much effort to try to portray it the other way around?

Firm
PS. And I forgot Mao's attempt at a "scientific political revolution" where more than 20 million died.


It amazes me that you constantly pull turds out of your ass and expect people to believe that they are pearls of wisdom.
You want to justify hitlers genocide with the same psuedo science he used by calling it science.
You claim 20-50 dead russians without any validation for the numbers and claim it was a scientific endeavor.
You claim 20 million dead chinese with no validation for the numbers except your ex cathedra mouth and claim it was a scientific endeavor.
Shit floats but not that shit.

You need to put down that crackpipe, thompson.

Firm




Your knowledge of crack pipes seems to exceed your knowledge of the facts behind your rhetoric.

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RE: Hawking: Religion will be defeated by science - 6/9/2010 6:04:35 PM   
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Are you saying that you have never dismissed, out of hand, someones source because of your percieved bias in that source?

I always dismiss out of hand anything that comes from an Aryan Nation site, or from Prison Planet.

BS is dismissing out of hand any source which has the slightest connection to a religious belief, and then failing to address the ones which don't.

That's not even "dismissing out of hand".  That's sticking her head into the sand.

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RE: Hawking: Religion will be defeated by science - 6/9/2010 6:05:49 PM   
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Your knowledge of crack pipes seems to exceed your knowledge of the facts behind your rhetoric.

Then address my facts, and quit the blustering bullshit.

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RE: Hawking: Religion will be defeated by science - 6/9/2010 6:08:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't really see the point of quoting other sources for the most part full stop, I'm sure each of us could find a source to support anything we could possibly want to say. Are we giving our views or those views of the authors we read?

Comes down to how convincing your argument is at the end of the day and given the short time most people spend here it has to be concise if nothing else.


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RE: Hawking: Religion will be defeated by science - 6/9/2010 6:09:15 PM   
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No troll, he is not saying anything of the sort.

reading comprehension is indeed way beyond your capacity.

Why do you have to make up dumb shit questions to have anythng to say?


But what relevance would him sometimes weasling(if even true) out have to do with this specific case?


It would appear that your knowledge of snark exceeds your knowledge of discussion.
Ky consistantly, like you, will challange the source of other people's arguements but he, like you, does not feel compelled to be constrained by the same guidline.

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RE: Hawking: Religion will be defeated by science - 6/9/2010 6:13:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

Your knowledge of crack pipes seems to exceed your knowledge of the facts behind your rhetoric.

Then address my facts, and quit the blustering bullshit.

Firm


I have already addressed your assertions and asked you to validate them, something you are either unwilling or unable to do.
Thus your comments about crack pipes hardly rise to the level of validation of your assertions.

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RE: Hawking: Religion will be defeated by science - 6/9/2010 6:16:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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Are you saying that you have never dismissed, out of hand, someones source because of your percieved bias in that source?

I always dismiss out of hand anything that comes from an Aryan Nation site, or from Prison Planet.

BS is dismissing out of hand any source which has the slightest connection to a religious belief, and then failing to address the ones which don't.

That's not even "dismissing out of hand".  That's sticking her head into the sand.

Firm


Perhaps she percieves the bias in your source that you percieve in others?

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RE: Hawking: Religion will be defeated by science - 6/9/2010 6:18:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

I have already addressed your assertions and asked you to validate them, something you are either unwilling or unable to do.
Thus your comments about crack pipes hardly rise to the level of validation of your assertions.

You mean the numbers of deaths for the wars, by Hitler, and Stalin?

Common facts.  If you doubt them, they are easily discernible through a Google search.

As eyesopened said before, I'm not your research assistant.

If you aren't aware of the numbers, then it's a matter of you cleaning up your ignorance, not me "proving" a damn thing.  Most of the numbers I gave were on the conservative side of modern estimates, or gave the range that is often accepted.

Go fish, thompson.  Quit trolling around here.

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RE: Hawking: Religion will be defeated by science - 6/9/2010 6:21:28 PM   
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Perhaps she percieves the bias in your source that you percieve in others?

You gonna just troll, or talk about the topic?

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RE: Hawking: Religion will be defeated by science - 6/9/2010 6:26:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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Perhaps she percieves the bias in your source that you percieve in others?

You gonna just troll, or talk about the topic?

Firm



Everytime you spread shit on bread and call it peanut butter I will point it out. If you are comfortable calling that trolling then you clearly have a much greater understanding of crack pipes than any one I know.

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RE: Hawking: Religion will be defeated by science - 6/9/2010 6:26:11 PM   
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RE: Hawking: Religion will be defeated by science - 6/9/2010 6:26:45 PM   
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Which of course is an unreasonable point of view.

Why is it an unreasonable point of view.

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It is rational for human beings to believe in a god because of the benefits derived from so doing.

Yet another assertion, care to back these up with anything......anything at all?


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religion is an essential component in human existence

You're wrong. Considering that about half my state gets by just fine without it, you may want to look up the definition of essential.

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RE: Hawking: Religion will be defeated by science - 6/9/2010 6:27:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3

The topic ended two pages ago with me being right.

You?  The guy who wants us to select a "master race" according to your "scientific" standards?

uh huh.

Firm


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RE: Hawking: Religion will be defeated by science - 6/9/2010 6:28:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: brainiacsub Religion never has and never will be about 'live and let live.'

Jainism?

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RE: Hawking: Religion will be defeated by science - 6/9/2010 6:30:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY
You?  The guy who wants us to select a "master race" according to your "scientific" standards?

uh huh.


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You gonna just troll, or talk about the topic?


Right back at you.

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RE: Hawking: Religion will be defeated by science - 6/9/2010 6:30:24 PM   
SL4V3M4YB3


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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY
You? The guy who wants us to select a "master race" according to your "scientific" standards?
uh huh.
Firm


Yeah I never said that or anything like that.

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