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Can a slave have plans and aspirations? - 6/8/2010 11:26:46 PM

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Can a slave have plans and aspirations such as:

- to learn another language
- to learn to play violin, or guitar, or piano or any other instrument
- to finish certain schools, colleges, universities
- to pursue his / her religion or spiritual path
- to visit certain countries, to travel the world
- to advance in his / her career
- to have children and to raise them in a certian way

Or (s)he must surrender all of these plans, dreams and aspirations to the Master / Mistress, and pursue only the plans / aspirations that Master / Mistress wants her / him to pursue.

What happens if the slave already has all of these plans and aspirations in the beginning of the relationship and have had them even before the relationship started.
Does he / she have to give up all of his / her plans, ambitions and aspirations if he / she wants to be a slave?

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RE: Can a slave have plans and aspirations? - 6/8/2010 11:28:34 PM

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RE: Can a slave have plans and aspirations? - 6/8/2010 11:33:01 PM

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Can a human being doing any of the below...

Yes.

Seriously dude, you need help... and I do not have the skills required to provide them. So Ill offer you all I can..

(opens his door to the outside world where there is sky, and trees and people and shoves him into it locking his computer and door behind him. so he has to live in the real world.)

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ORIGINAL: SocratesNot

Can a slave have plans and aspirations such as:

- to learn another language
- to learn to play violin, or guitar, or piano or any other instrument
- to finish certain schools, colleges, universities
- to pursue his / her religion or spiritual path
- to visit certain countries, to travel the world
- to advance in his / her career
- to have children and to raise them in a certian way

Or (s)he must surrender all of these plans, dreams and aspirations to the Master / Mistress, and pursue only the plans / aspirations that Master / Mistress wants her / him to pursue.

What happens if the slave already has all of these plans and aspirations on the beginning of the relationship and have had them even before the relationship started.
Does he / she have to give up all of his / her plans, ambitions and aspirations if he / she wants to be a slave?

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RE: Can a slave have plans and aspirations? - 6/8/2010 11:33:18 PM

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I think this is a legitimate question.

If I entered the M/s relationship as a slave, I would find it relatively easy to serve my mistress, do make her life easier, to suffer the pain for her, to work for her, to be controlled sexually, etc, but I would feel very uncomfortable if she tried to prevent me from pursuing my dreams and ambitions and aspirations.

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RE: Can a slave have plans and aspirations? - 6/8/2010 11:36:58 PM

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Master encourages my goals, motivations, dreams, etc...
It makes me happy and that in turn makes him happy and vice versa.

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RE: Can a slave have plans and aspirations? - 6/8/2010 11:37:23 PM

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Its Not, you seem to think slavery consists of someone entering into a relationship, and the master or mistress being this evil person who destroys the other.

Most Ms relationships ive seen or engaged in the Master or Mistress would encourage the above list, and strive to make their partner the best partner in the world.

I mean if your going to own a human life why not own a diamond over a cubic zirconium

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RE: Can a slave have plans and aspirations? - 6/8/2010 11:38:13 PM

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I think slaves can have plans and aspirations. I'm absolutely certain that there are a large number of slaves that have aspirations. And I don't even know any slaves. How is something like learning another language or skill suddenly make you not a slave? Plans and aspirations are good things.

If not, tell the 'Master' to buy themself a puppy.

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RE: Can a slave have plans and aspirations? - 6/8/2010 11:39:02 PM

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quote:

Master encourages my goals, motivations, dreams, etc...
It makes me happy and that in turn makes him happy and vice versa.

This is great! I would thrive in a relationship where Mistress encouraged me in pursuing my goals, dreams and ambitions.

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RE: Can a slave have plans and aspirations? - 6/8/2010 11:41:57 PM

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quote:

Most Ms relationships ive seen or engaged in the Master or Mistress would encourage the above list, and strive to make their partner the best partner in the world.

I am very happy if this is true.

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RE: Can a slave have plans and aspirations? - 6/8/2010 11:43:25 PM

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Socrates, you've been on this site long enough and asked enough of these questions to know that the answer is: "it depends".

There are owners who would want their slave to give up all their aspirations and only allow them to peruse those which were in line with what the owner wanted.
There are slaves who would like to be owned by somebody who only allowed them to peruse those aspirations that the owner wanted.
There are owners who would want their slave to peruse their dreams, and would actually order a slave to peruse their dreams, and provoke them to create new dreams to peruse
There are slaves who would like to be owned by somebody who would encourage them to peruse their dreams.

If YOU don't want to be owned by somebody who doesn't allow you to peruse your dreams, then don't enter in a relationship with somebody who wouldn't allow you to peruse your dreams.

Pretty simple, ain't it?

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RE: Can a slave have plans and aspirations? - 6/8/2010 11:54:32 PM

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Yes, a slave can have all these plans and aspirations.

Yes, a slave can choose an Owner that allows him/her to continue to pursue these plans and aspirations.

Yes, a slave can choose an Owner who may not allow him/her to continue to pursue these plans and aspirations.

Make sense yet?

My previous Owner not only allowed but encouraged me to pursue outside interests. Most Owners encourage their slaves to do so simply for mental health. But there are those who don't as well - the key again, as usual, is compatibility.

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RE: Can a slave have plans and aspirations? - 6/9/2010 12:01:34 AM

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UniqueRaven, I could only be a submissive or slave if my Owner allowed or encouraged me in pursuing these plans and aspirations.
My biggest fear in a relationship would be the possibility that my long term plans and aspirations are significantly altered, or hindered.

All the other things are totally negotiable and I would accept all kinds of compromises, but if someone tried to control my lifelong dreams or prevent me from pursuing them I would feel great fear and probably leave such relationship as soon as possible.

I don't know about other people, but this is how would I personally feel.

Also, if I happened to be someone's Master, I would not only allow but encourage and demand that she pursues her dreams. I would only give her suggestions about what could be the best direction for her life, but the final decision would be hers. After she decided what she wants, I would not only allow her to pursue her goal, but demand it.

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RE: Can a slave have plans and aspirations? - 6/9/2010 12:05:49 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: SocratesNot

Can a slave have plans and aspirations....

Yes.

Unless it's no.

Depends on the people involved.

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RE: Can a slave have plans and aspirations? - 6/9/2010 12:05:55 AM

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for me it would depend just how important those dreams or aspirations are to me. There's quite a lot I'm willing to give up and/or risk for the him if he so wished it. But again it all depends on what you consider important to you.

Choose wisely and this becomes a nonissue.

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RE: Can a slave have plans and aspirations? - 6/9/2010 12:06:39 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: SocratesNot

I think this is a legitimate question.

If I entered the M/s relationship as a slave, I would find it relatively easy to serve my mistress, do make her life easier, to suffer the pain for her, to work for her, to be controlled sexually, etc, but I would feel very uncomfortable if she tried to prevent me from pursuing my dreams and ambitions and aspirations.

But that would mean you were in an incompatable relationship and that would be responsible for placing you in that position is you. Being a slave has nothing to do with that.
Unfortuantely, you seem to be be on the path to gain some sort of proof that Ms relationships are somehow detrimental and you seem to concentrate on negative behaviours. I would be interested as to why.

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RE: Can a slave have plans and aspirations? - 6/9/2010 12:55:20 AM

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Awww C'mon SNot!

Seriously dude - You've followed the boards, you've engaged in numerous threads, with varying degrees of usefulness.

If by now you can't see the pointlessness of your OP then I think, and I really do say this with the very best intentions, that this "internet thing" may not be for you.

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Can a slave have plans and aspirations?

Of course they fucking can. They may find themselves in a relationship within which they don't have the opportunity to realise those plans and aspirations, then they have a choice - stay or leave.

For some "slaves" the summit of their aspirations might be to be a slave, of course.

Then you say -

quote:

ORIGINAL: SocratesNot

I think this is a legitimate question.

If I entered the M/s relationship as a slave, I would find it relatively easy to serve my mistress, do make her life easier, to suffer the pain for her, to work for her, to be controlled sexually, etc, but I would feel very uncomfortable if she tried to prevent me from pursuing my dreams and ambitions and aspirations.

First, - No this is a silly question, and you should know better.

Second - Bingo, you've answered your own question - You would be happier in a relationship where your mistress supported you in your dreams, ambitions and aspirations. Nice. Sorted.

So now, here's the trick - and I am boggling at the idea that you can't figure this out...

If you want a mistress who will help you achieve your goals, then find one that will.

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RE: Can a slave have plans and aspirations? - 6/9/2010 1:06:39 AM

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Choose wisely and this becomes a nonissue.

Quoted, bolded, enlarged, and colored all pretty for truth (and in the probably vain hope that it sinks in).
Thank you, littlewonder. This simple concept seems to elude many new people.

SN, the thing that you seem to be missing in most of your threads is that BDSM relationships of any flavor are still RELATIONSHIPS. A Domme is not going to swoop down and imprison you, leaving you no choice. You choose your partner, just as she chooses you. Things like this are to be discussed at the beginning, before a dynamic is started. If you meet someone who requires that you give up plans and aspirations that mean a lot to you, then you aren't a match. No biggie, move on.
Read the purple at the top again..... and again.

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RE: Can a slave have plans and aspirations? - 6/9/2010 1:25:21 AM

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OK; more or less I got the point. The most important thing is to choose the partner wisely.
BTW, when I asked in the beginning "Can a slave have plans and aspirations" by the word "can" I didn't mean "be able to" but "be permitted (allowed) to".
Of course they can have aspirations. But I actually meant "Are they allowed to have their own plans and aspirations once they become slaves?"
And I'm still asking it. I know that many Masters and Mistresses allow their slaves to pursue their dreams, ambitions and aspirations. But again is this common situation? Or the more common situation is to have all the plans and aspiration of slave under control of the Master?
I'm not asking this without reason. I have read threads about entitlement. Some people say slaves aren't entitled to anything, not even to know what the Master intends for them. If they are not entitled to know Master's plans, how can they be entitled to their own plans?

In general, I am asking because of possibility that I enter a relationship one day.
And sometimes it's much easier to say "choose wisely" than to actually do it.

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RE: Can a slave have plans and aspirations? - 6/9/2010 1:57:38 AM

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quote:

And I'm still asking it. I know that many Masters and Mistresses allow their slaves to pursue their dreams, ambitions and aspirations. But again is this common situation? Or the more common situation is to have all the plans and aspiration of slave under control of the Master?

Whether it is common or not isn't relevant, which is the point you keep missing.
On a related note, 'slave' is just a label, as is 'submissive'. They mean exactly what the people in a given relationship say they mean, nothing more. Stop getting caught up in labels and their 'meanings', take a step back, and see the big picture, which is the relationship. The worst thing you can do is start looking for a Master/ Mistress instead of looking for a person who is a good fit.

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RE: Can a slave have plans and aspirations? - 6/9/2010 2:01:23 AM

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What most of them don't do is let you repeat the same question ad naseum without listening to the answer. Consider that.

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