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laurell3 -> RE: M/s and IQ and wisdom (6/10/2010 9:30:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SocratesNot quote: Being from a teensy weensy town (actually more of a village) I had zero street smarts, had to learn them on the fly, and now I am worldly, cosmopolitan, and this is because I have some street smarts. I can find my way in any urban environment and keep myself from being pick pocketed, abducted, and know how to spot a drug/crime infested area... I also know how to act if I get lost in one. Just me, etc I am from the city of 250,000 people and I have all of these abilities and more, but I don't consider myself particularly street smart. I have some street smarts, but not so much to be able to actively engage in serious trouble, I am more inclined to efficiently discovering and avoiding trouble. I think it's pretty evident if you actually read what they posted as definitions they weren't referring to being adept crminally, but having common sense, applying it and having life experience. We call it balance and yes you lack it tremendously.

tazzygirl -> RE: M/s and IQ and wisdom (6/10/2010 9:37:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SocratesNot quote: Let me just ask you something SN, if the Domme you seek will be all of what you say you are looking for, then what the heck would she see in a twit like you? Take the premise you started this thread with...why would such an intelligent and wise woman as you described here want you? There has to be compatibility and common ground and a base to build upon for both people, which is what people keep telling you. Is there really such a worldly woman out there such as you seek, that will want to take on the brick wall that is you for their property? I have a high IQ, I have lots of common sense, I have been through many travails in life which have given me wisdom because I learned from them. If I sit on my ass and wait for a man who exceeds me in these things you mentioned, IQ and wisdom, I may be alone for the rest of my life. I prefer not to live that way, holding potential partners up to a measuring post to see if they're good enough. F*ck that. Once again your theories are all full of holes and you're not willing to see this or grow from learning that things are different than you thought. My thread was theoretic in nature. I just wanted to elaborate in which circumstances I WOULD BE ABLE to be a slave in TPE. Something like a thought experiment. This doesn't mean that I am looking forward to it, nor that I intend to find such a Domme. If I do find her, it would be great, but if I don't there are more realistic alternatives such as: a) being a dominant with the girl who doesn't have to be smarter or wiser than me and who would probably try to find someone who is smarter and wiser than her, so I could be an option b) being a submissive in NON TPE D/s relationship where I wouldn't need a domme to satisfy such high standards, because I would retain my independence in all the things that aren't directly connected to relationship. I got to here and i just cant read anymore. SN, its really, really simple. You do what is best for you. No one is telling you not too. What you ARE doing is telling other people what they are doing is wrong. No one is intelectually superior to anyone else in all areas. The best bet is to find someone who enhances your intelligence, compliments your knowledge. If you desire someone smarter than you, find out in what areas and seek out that person. But if you are waiting for that person who is smarter than you in all areas... well.... ice cubes will form first.

SocratesNot -> RE: M/s and IQ and wisdom (6/10/2010 9:45:35 PM)
quote: No one is intelectually superior to anyone else in all areas. The best bet is to find someone who enhances your intelligence, compliments your knowledge. If you desire someone smarter than you, find out in what areas and seek out that person. But if you are waiting for that person who is smarter than you in all areas... well.... ice cubes will form first. Yes, this is unrealistic expectation to find someone who is superior in all areas to me. But for me this automatically implies that they shouldn't have authority in all areas unless they are indeed superior in all areas. If I am superior in some areas I should have authority in these areas, and she should have authority in areas in which she is superior. Quite simple. Total Power Exchange requires Total Superiority (for me). Why would I allow anyone who is not superior to me in Everything to have total authority over me in Everything?

tazzygirl -> RE: M/s and IQ and wisdom (6/10/2010 9:48:46 PM)
Perhaps that is the part you are missing about an M/s relationship. imho, the Master for me will know what my strengths are, where my intelligence lies, and the best way to utilize my intelligence for the benefit of the relationship. You always seem to think that an M/s relationship leads to some form of downfall/abuse/neglect for the slave. Many on these boards who have been in this type of a relationship for years have told you differently. You dont seem to want to listen... or believe. Not sure why that is. But slavery isnt for everyone. Perhaps it just isnt your path. If its not, these are issues you may never be able to understand.

WyldHrt -> RE: M/s and IQ and wisdom (6/10/2010 9:49:05 PM)
quote: Total Power Exchange requires Total Superiority (for me). Why would I allow anyone who is not superior to me in Everything to have total authority over me in Everything? So..... don't. There, wasn't that easy?

BlackTigerDragon -> RE: M/s and IQ and wisdom (6/10/2010 10:01:04 PM)
I would prefer a fairly intelligent sub. Sorry, but if your favourite classical composer is 'Final Fantasy' you are not worth my time. And if you don't even know who Andrew Lloyd Webber, Andy Warhol, Steven Sondhiem and Jean Micheal Basquiat or God forbid...Ludwig van Beethoven are I would not even stand next to you. Oh, and to anyone who assumes that Carl Orffs 'Carmina Burana' was composed by 'Mozart' you should not have the mental capacity to breathe. I even find mentally handicapped people rather intelligent but if I have to speak slowly and loudly to you when explaining my favourite Lady Gaga song then don't call yourself my sub. Lets be honest. As far as actual IQ level goes I am not massively high. Just reasonably average. I am no intellectual. I can barely count. But I am an artistic. You don't have to dumb it down for me. Being submissive to an artist means you have to give your opinions. That's one of the main points of art. If you're intelligent, I like it. If you are a super genius, even better.

SocratesNot -> RE: M/s and IQ and wisdom (6/10/2010 10:03:31 PM)
quote: So..... don't. OK, don't - I won't. But I am asking others now: Why would you give Total Authority in All Areas of your life to someone who is NOT Superior to you in All Areas of life? For example, if you have better musical tastes than your Master, why would you allow him to choose for you what music you'll listen to? If you have a better feeling for fashion than your Master, why would you allow him to choose your clothes and haircolor? If you have better understanding about cars and types of cars why would you allow him to choose what car is best for you? In general, if there is any area in which you are definitely better, more knowledgeable etc, than your Master, why would you allow him to make important decisions in this area for you, if you are sure that you can do it better yourself? And finally, if he constantly decides in all the areas of your life, even in those where you would certainly make better decisions, doesn't it lead to frustration and disappointment, since your own opinion doesn't matter, unless he approves it, even in areas where you are better. He can approve your opinion in most cases, but by his very nature, of being less knowledgeable in this particular area, he isn't even competent to approve or disapprove your opinion. And sometimes he'll disapprove it because he genuinely thinks this is better, but he'll be wrong. And in some other situations he'll disapprove just because he can - he wants to show some authority.

VideoAdminZeta -> RE: M/s and IQ and wisdom (6/10/2010 10:39:27 PM)
Okay, everyone, time to settle down. I've just deleted multiple personal attacks and off-topic comments, by several different posters. Stay on topic, or go elsewhere.

WyldHrt -> RE: M/s and IQ and wisdom (6/10/2010 10:44:36 PM)
quote: Why would you give Total Authority in All Areas of your life to someone who is NOT Superior to you in All Areas of life? Gee, maybe because that 'someone' recognizes your strengths and chooses to utilize them to further your lives together? quote: For example, if you have better musical tastes than your Master, why would you allow him to choose for you what music you'll listen to? Define better. When it comes to music, there is no 'better', simply preferences. Don't bother breaking out the music snobbery, you've already done that. quote: If you have a better feeling for fashion than your Master, why would you allow him to choose your clothes and haircolor? Again, this is a matter of taste, not 'better'. quote: If you have better understanding about cars and types of cars why would you allow him to choose what car is best for you? See my first reply. That said, I might be really into trucks and decide I need a fully loaded Ford F-350 dually, only to have him look at our budget and decide on a manual transmission Dodge Ram instead, as the payments on the truck I 'know' is best for me are beyond our current means. I know trucks, he knows our finances. Guess who should make the decision on this one? quote: In general, if there is any area in which you are definitely better, more knowledgeable etc, than your Master, why would you allow him to make important decisions in this area for you, if you are sure that you can do it better yourself? It's called trust and communication. Something you obviously do not understand. quote: And finally, if he constantly decides in all the areas of your life, even in those where you would certainly make better decisions, doesn't it lead to frustration and disappointment, since your own opinion doesn't matter, unless he approves it, even in areas where you are better. He can approve your opinion in most cases, but by his very nature, of being less knowledgeable in this particular area, he isn't even competent to approve or disapprove your opinion. And sometimes he'll disapprove it because he genuinely thinks this is better, but he'll be wrong. And in some other situations he'll disapprove just because he can - he wants to show some authority. No. It's late, and I'm not up for playing "what if" or the mental masturbation this whole paragraph came from.

jbcurious -> RE: M/s and IQ and wisdom (6/11/2010 12:32:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SocratesNot quote: So..... don't. OK, don't - I won't. But I am asking others now: Why would you give Total Authority in All Areas of your life to someone who is NOT Superior to you in All Areas of life? For example, if you have better musical tastes than your Master, why would you allow him to choose for you what music you'll listen to? If you have a better feeling for fashion than your Master, why would you allow him to choose your clothes and haircolor? If you have better understanding about cars and types of cars why would you allow him to choose what car is best for you? In general, if there is any area in which you are definitely better, more knowledgeable etc, than your Master, why would you allow him to make important decisions in this area for you, if you are sure that you can do it better yourself? And finally, if he constantly decides in all the areas of your life, even in those where you would certainly make better decisions, doesn't it lead to frustration and disappointment, since your own opinion doesn't matter, unless he approves it, even in areas where you are better. He can approve your opinion in most cases, but by his very nature, of being less knowledgeable in this particular area, he isn't even competent to approve or disapprove your opinion. And sometimes he'll disapprove it because he genuinely thinks this is better, but he'll be wrong. And in some other situations he'll disapprove just because he can - he wants to show some authority. Re: Musical tastes...there is no better or worse just different. If he chooses to have me become knowledgable in the music he likes...why wouldn't I? Re: Fashion... The only person I'm trying to make happy is my partner...why wouldn't I dress and have my hair coloured and styled in the way he prefers? Re: Cars... Who the hell cares... if it gets you from point A to point B isn't that all that matters? If my partner were the type of person to intentionaly make a bad choice just because he can he wouldn't be my partner, he would be an idiot and I don't have time for idiots which makes me wonder why I'm bothering to post here... [8D]

crazyml -> RE: M/s and IQ and wisdom (6/11/2010 12:41:23 AM)
Would it be impolite to ask who these attacks were directed at? I mean, if it happened that you were seeing a consistent trend of posters losing their temper at a single individual, would you at least ask whether or not that single individual was simply stoking people up, and take some alternative action? Just askin.

SocratesNot -> RE: M/s and IQ and wisdom (6/11/2010 1:28:54 AM)
quote: Re: Musical tastes...there is no better or worse just different. If he chooses to have me become knowledgable in the music he likes...why wouldn't I? For example, I couldn't listen to black metal no matter what. The complete ideology of black metal is totally against my world view, and the way this music sounds is extremely irritating to me. Maybe there are very few black metal songs or bands that would be exception, but in general, ideology of black metal is totally against my value system, and the way it sounds can only irritate me and make me very uncomfortable.

jbcurious -> RE: M/s and IQ and wisdom (6/11/2010 1:32:52 AM)
So by being exposed to it you learn how to deal with things that make you uncomfortable... not such a bad thing.

WyldHrt -> RE: M/s and IQ and wisdom (6/11/2010 1:45:49 AM)
quote: For example, I couldn't listen to black metal no matter what. The complete ideology of black metal is totally against my world view, and the way this music sounds is extremely irritating to me. Maybe there are very few black metal songs or bands that would be exception, but in general, ideology of black metal is totally against my value system, and the way it sounds can only irritate me and make me very uncomfortable. How does this make black metal (whatever that is) 'better' or 'worse' than any other form of music to someone who isn't you? As an aside, most of what I see from you in threads like this is "me me me, I want, I need, I demand". Small wonder that you cannot understand most of what goes on in the types of relationships commonly discussed on these boards. quote: Yes, this is unrealistic expectation to find someone who is superior in all areas to me. But for me this automatically implies that they shouldn't have authority in all areas unless they are indeed superior in all areas. If I am superior in some areas I should have authority in these areas, and she should have authority in areas in which she is superior. Quite simple. The above describes a very balanced egalitarian relationship. Please go find one.

Level -> RE: M/s and IQ and wisdom (6/11/2010 1:52:08 AM)
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WyldHrt -> RE: M/s and IQ and wisdom (6/11/2010 1:53:48 AM)
Hmmm... I think I dated those guys, Level. Hollywood in the '80s, yanno [:D]

SocratesNot -> RE: M/s and IQ and wisdom (6/11/2010 2:00:27 AM)
quote: How does this make black metal (whatever that is) 'better' or 'worse' than any other form of music to someone who isn't you? I didn't even say it. But if I was pressed I could argue that black metal is indeed worse than most other types of music. quote: From Wikipedia: Black metal has been met with great hostility from mainstream culture, mainly due to the misanthropic and anti-Christian standpoint of many artists. Moreover, a handful of musicians have been linked with church burnings, murder or National Socialism. For these, and other reasons, black metal is often seen as an underground form of music. If you think that murder, church burnings, misanthropy and National Socialism (which is another name for Nazism) are OK, then you argue for Black Metal. My opinion is that Black Metal is one of the worst types of music, and definitely the one that I don't like at all.

jbcurious -> RE: M/s and IQ and wisdom (6/11/2010 2:14:02 AM)
YOUR opinion, YOUR feelings. Because they're your's doesn't make them right. Many people believe music of this type raises social awareness... Have you ever seen Marilyn Manson interviewed? A very intelligent, well spoken individual who uses such music for shock value, to make people think. Stop being so judgemental of things you don't understand.

SocratesNot -> RE: M/s and IQ and wisdom (6/11/2010 2:46:49 AM)
quote: well spoken individual who uses such music for shock value, to make people think. Those who use it for shock value are different story. But a lot of black metal bands really believes in misanthropic ideology and some of them are also Satanists. BTW, it's ever so easy to use things for shock value - that's what tabloids do, and that's what cheap horror films do. This doesn't make either of them art. This is called sensationalism when it comes to journalism, and it is called exploitation films when it comes to cinema. Morbidity for its own sake and for shock value doesn't make it a great art. I could easily write a black metal song if I wanted - all that I would need to do is to glorify Satan, to mention blood, death, murder, corpses, skulls, bones, hell, apocalypse, demons, dragons, etc. and to write some things against Christianity and against Jesus - and I would have a song. Is it art? No!

ModeratorSixteen -> RE: M/s and IQ and wisdom (6/11/2010 3:08:33 AM)
Please stick to the topic.If you have personal questions to ask a poster,take it privately or start your own thread on the subject matter you are interested in.

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