SocratesNot -> M/s and IQ and wisdom (6/9/2010 9:31:33 PM)
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When it comes to me personally, I could in theory be a slave only to someone who is clearly smarter and wiser than I am. This includes higher IQ, more education (not necessarily more formal education, just being more knowledgeable than me on most subjects) , more life experience and greater wisdom than my own. This is pure and simple logic. If I am wiser and smarter, how can she know better than me what is best for us and for our relationship? No way! So, she must be both wiser and smarter than me, only then I could accept her authority as legitimate. When it comes to my opinions - yes, if I was a slave, I would be glad to accept the opinions of my mistress and to abandon my own opinions, but when? If and only if she proved to me that her opinion is better by facts, hard logic and argumentation. For the sake of the argument I will banalize it extremely. Let's say that my opinion is that 2+2=5, as soon as she shows me that 2+2=4 and not 5, I will immediately abandon my previous wrong opinion and accept her correct one. But, if I think that 2+2=4 and she wants me to believe that 2+2=5, then I will never be able to accept her opinion, simply because she can't prove this to me, because this is simply untrue. The same goes for attitudes and opinions about all kinds of things. And also the same is true when it comes to preferences. Let's say that I love pop music. I enjoy it tremendously and I am a fanboy of various pop stars. However, my mistress wants me to stop listening to such type of music because she thinks this music is kitsch and superficial. She wants me instead to listen to classical music. I would be reluctant at first, but gradually I would start to appreciate the classical music and all the artistic and expressive depth that it conveys and finally I'd enjoy it even more than I enjoyed pop. So, she would easily be able to change my taste and preference in this case. I would abandon my taste and preference and adopt hers. Surprisingly, it could even work in the opposite direction. Let's say that I enjoy classical music and she wants me to listen to pop. She may argue that I take everything too seriously and that I should learn to just relax and enjoy while listening to simple and catchy tunes. She may further argue that I am a snob and that I avoid pop music just because I am insecure and fear being judged as superficial. This argument isn't far from truth, and she would certainly be right to a certain extent. So she could "force" me let go of my inhibitions and go to a concert of some pop star and to dance and sing in the mass of people, and I would most certainly enjoy myself and be thankful to her. So she could force me to abandon pop altogether and to listen just to classical. She could also force me to embrace many types of pop music and to attend concerts (as long as she allows me to listen to classical as well when I feel like it). But if she tried to force me to stop listening to classical music completely, this wouldn't work. This is because I think that classical music has so much intrinsic value, that it would be extremely wrong not to listen to it at all. There is no argumentation in this world that would convince me in the opposite. However, the mistress that is smarter than me would never even try to do it, because everyone who has some brains knows that classical music is valuable and wouldn't try to ban it. To sum up, I would allow a mistress to mold me, to change me, even to instill completely new personality in me, but only if I was 100% sure that she is smarter, wiser, more intelligent and more knowledgeable than me, AND if I felt that she is highly ethical and adheres strictly to her moral values which would have to be compatible with my own moral values. In the process of changing me and molding me she would have to convince me and to prove that she is right and that I am wrong. If she is indeed smarter and wiser than me, this would certainly be a piece of cake for her. She would maybe even be able to change my moral and ethical values, my philosophy and my worldview, but again only if she is convincing enough and if she presents damn great argumentation for her beliefs. In first years of relationship I would never accept to change any of my preferences, beliefs, opinions etc, without substantial proofs and argumentation that she would offer and that would convince me that she is indeed right. However, after few years, if she proved enough times that she knows better, and that her opinions are better than mine, I would maybe enter the phase in which I would simply accept whatever she suggests without even questioning it. This would be the phase of "mindless" obedience and acceptance and total slavery - but this would be possible if and only if she proved enough times that she is indeed smarter and wiser than me and that her decisions and opinions are usually better than mine. Do any of you have similar thoughts and attitudes? --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Edited to add: All of the things previously described apply ONLY to TPE or M/s type of relationship. I could easily enter D/s relationship with the domme that is of the same intelligence and wisdom as I am, or even lower, but in this case I would demand total intellectual, political, religious, social and economic independence from her. I would still serve her, my sexuality would be controlled by her, I would work for her, cater to her whims, engage in BDSM play with her as a submissive, but she wouldn't be able to significantly influence my attitudes, opinions, beliefs, etc.
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