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RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... - 6/15/2010 6:13:25 AM   
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Last i knew, Australia decided it wasn't seeking compensation.  Did that change?

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RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... - 6/15/2010 6:21:04 AM   
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Last i knew, Australia decided it wasn't seeking compensation.  Did that change?


We're hopefully not limiting this fee to just Australia. I'd like it to be worldwide.
I know that in my neck of the woods people will drive certain roads after being SPECIFICALLY TOLD NOT TO thru public broadcasting mediums yet they think their car can handle anything. Lo & behold they're STUCK so the Swift Water Rescue Team has to be called in to get their dumb asses out of their cars.   Meanwhile on the Potomac River anyone out there would have to wait for help to arrive from units much further away.

Same thing w/the blizzards that hit the DC, MD & VA areas this winter. En route to a several calls people were standing by their stuck vehicles thinking we were going to pull them loose. Too bad so sad....call AAA. You were driving in a freakin' BLIZZARD in your compact car & didn't think you would get stuck?
I know, I know I'm sure there was that .01%'er who had a "legitimate" excuse for being out in that weather but not everyone.

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RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... - 6/15/2010 6:31:15 AM   
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VP, i was talking about the rescue for Abby.  Not worldwide, but i thought they said Australia wasn't seeking compensation for the rescue of Abby and the French hadn't commented on it yet.



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RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... - 6/15/2010 6:38:40 AM   
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I've read through most of this thread and while I would probably worry, have a stomach ache the entire time and really, really wish that my 16 year old had made a different decision than to sail around the world by herself, I don't think that I could help but also take some pride in her adventerous spirit. IF I felt that my child was capable and responsible, I would cross my fingers, toes & eyes, hope for the best, take a deep breath and let her go because if I didn't, in two years she'd go anyway and I firmly believe that when it's your time to go, you go.. whether it's on an ocean, crossing the street or even just being in the wrong place at the wrong time and if it's not your time, then you'll come home safe. I've done the best job I knew how to do with my children to raise them to be productive and responsible.. the rest.. is up to them. Abby's goal was to sail non-stop and unassissted around the world. She already proved she could make wise choices when she pulled into Cape Town to repair her boat which, to me, shows that her common sense outweighs any sort of glory seeking goal. That said, stay tuned for Leno, Letterman and The View because you will surely see her there and everywhere for the time being.

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RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... - 6/15/2010 6:52:19 AM   
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Same thing w/the blizzards that hit the DC, MD & VA areas this winter. En route to a several calls people were standing by their stuck vehicles thinking we were going to pull them loose. Too bad so sad....call AAA. You were driving in a freakin' BLIZZARD in your compact car & didn't think you would get stuck?
around here Triple A was issuing warnings that they could not get to most stranded motorists. If they can't make it w/ their heavy tow trucks, most compact cars had no chance at all.

But in all fairness...many had to leave theire homes because of no heat and were trying to make it to a hotel. We were in that position. Thank God our America-raping, oil-spill-causing, gas hogging SUV got us out.

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RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... - 6/15/2010 7:31:45 AM   
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I have skimmed through most of these replies and just want to say this.  There is alot of coverage on this here locally because the girl lives in the next town over from us.  My question is this.  Had she made it... would we be so up in arms over it?  As stated, her brother accomplished the similar feat prior to her... and if it wasnt mentioned in the news stories... does anyone remember it?  A week ago, another 13 year old boy who lives relatively close by was the "youngest" to climb Mt Everest.  Has anyone seen the stats on the number of ADULTS that die annually trying to accomplish that?  Would I trust a 16 year old girl who has logged as many miles and as much time sailing as she has over someone who is an adult with a third of her experience?  Not necessarily.  I personally dont have enough data to make that determination. You cant group every "child" into a category of being reckless and irresponsible solely based on age.  In other cultures, it is a "rite of passage" to perform a somewhat dangerous ritual to prove your maturity, responsibility and be considered an adult.   But I find it amazing that all of  a sudden because you hit this "magical number" you are considered an adult.  Here in the US... at 18 you are considered "an adult"... you can fight for your country, you can legally possess a gun, you can smoke a cigarette, you would have been driving a car (as a child) for 2 years, you can cast your vote for who is going to "run" this country... but yet.. they dont consider you mature enough to drink alcohol?   What makes you too immature at 17 years 364 days to do any of those things... but in less than 24 hours you are all of a sudden able to handle it?

Just my 2 cents.... leave my change on the counter.

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RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... - 6/15/2010 7:43:54 AM   
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Her family can't pay the $300,000+ cost to rescue her. Before she tries again the world should tell her no one will rescue her.



Aaaaaaand you think that adults have never had to be rescued at sea?

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RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... - 6/15/2010 7:49:05 AM   
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But in all fairness...many had to leave theire homes because of no heat and were trying to make it to a hotel. We were in that position. Thank God our America-raping, oil-spill-causing, gas hogging SUV got us out.


You were in that .01% group that had a legitimate excuse for leaving their homes.  Those in rural areas have no choice but to seek refuge elsewhere especially if they have kids or senior citizens in the home but in the city you can get anywhere walking just a few blocks & there's no excuse to put yourself or others at risk.
Sorry, I know this is a bit of a hijack but it all relates to being stranded & having to be rescued so it does tie in.

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RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... - 6/15/2010 7:58:00 AM   
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Grew up in wisconsin. Drove a civic as a kid. Never got stuck or if I did I dug it out. Huge snow banks, snow covered roads. Lots of big fat women.

When conditions were shitty I took the novel approach of slowing down and staying on the road. It worked.

None of us had SUV's. All of us lived. It's really amazing that we did. But unlike a lot of the cunts that inhabit this thing we were a special cut of human. We at times actually used our noggins. Seems to be a lost art nowadays.

I really have no prob with some suvs. People drive them all over the city. It's important because you never know when you have to drive around a pot hole. Some actually get dcent gas mileage, not much different than an auto.

Actually my next car will probably be a Tuscon, Forrester or a CRV. All get good mileage and I need the extra room for my fishing gear and to drop some torsos into the Chicago river or the nearest dumpster.

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RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... - 6/15/2010 2:29:09 PM   
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RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... - 6/16/2010 2:52:47 PM   
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Ok lets say she went hiking in the national forrest alone and her parents knew it . Once she was found they all would have hell to pay because they let her go off on her own . Plus the fact that many well seasoned sailors have been lost and never found . She is 16 she can't drink a beer or drive but she can sail around the world ? No amount of money is letting my daughter go that damn far at 16 .

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RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... - 6/17/2010 6:46:58 AM   
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Bit late to the party but anywho.
My son is 15 and there is no way in hell he is mature enough to sail around the world solo, but under different circumstances I would possible consider it.
I agree totally with the 2 comments made about A our children being sexualised, but also B being kept 'infantised'
My issues with this current girl, are that they, she and the parents knew it was a bad time of year to set sail, with Aus being in winter, and that particular stretch of the coastline being treacherous at the best of times. And then after she got in trouble, the parents claimed they were too poor to pay for the rescue.

I have never been boat shopping, but I am pretty sure you can't pick one up for 9.99 at Kmart.
You need a hefty amount of spare change to buy one. Particularly one suited for open sea long distance sailing.
So I think the parents should at least repay some of the cost of saving their daughter. I don't begrudge saving her.
But even the offer of part repayment would be nice rather than crying poor.

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RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... - 6/17/2010 10:14:40 AM   
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Ok I do let "daddy mode" get to me way to much and yea as a kid and teen I took risk that brought me way to close to the grave . I would not change it now if I could but that is being within a mile of help . I seen adults be at sea for weeks in rafts and damaged boats that barely made it and they had been raised on boats . Things do happen and if she had gotten killed what would we be talking about now ? I have checked there are places that do charge you for the rescue . So why should the rescuers have to shell out a million one for her parents to get their kid on tv . There is no show now but had she made it there would have been and wait till next year and see if she tries it again .

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RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... - 6/21/2010 5:30:30 PM   
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A friend in Boulder, CO sent me the following from the Daily Camera:





Boulder Daily Camera 06/21/2010, Page A09






Commentary

The view from inside the tunnel


A
nd now, a rebuttal from inside the cotton-wool tunnel.

That, according to Laurence Sunderland, is the safe, heavily padded place where critics of him, his wife Marianne, and their 16-year-old daughter Abby live, cushioned from life’s dangers and risks. If the names sound familiar, there’s a reason. Abby Sunderland is the California girl whose attempt to become the youngest person to ever circumnavigate the globe ended in near tragedy when her boat became crippled by storms in the Indian Ocean. Laurence and Marianne are the parents who let her go.

The girl was found and rescued last week, but her brush with disaster has earned her folks international reproach. A writer on a Los Angeles Times message board called them “moron parents.” A reader of The Herald Sun in Australia accused them of “child abuse and neglect.” But the Sunderlands are unrepentant.

The issue, says Laurence Sunderland, a boat builder, is not his daughter’s age, but her competence; she has been sailing all her life. He sees his family — including teenage son Zac, who sailed the globe last year, as adventurers. “Sailing and life in general is dangerous,” he told the Associated Press. “Teenagers drive cars.

Does that mean teenagers shouldn’t drive a car? I think people who hold that opinion have lost their zeal for life. They’re living in a cotton-wool tunnel to make everything safe.” But the hole in Sunderland’s logic is wide enough to sail a crippled boat through. Yes, driving is dangerous — though probably not as dangerous as sailing alone around the world. If you don’t take that relatively small risk, though, your ability to get from Point A to Point B and indeed, your very independence, are significantly compromised. There is a compelling reason to drive.

There was NO compelling reason for Abby’s voyage. She was hardly Ferdinand Magellan seeking a western route to the Spice Islands. Rather, she was a teenager from Thousand Oaks, Calif., whose parents allowed her to risk her life in search of a dubious and ultimately, meaningless, record.

The effort to rescue her involved the Australian Maritime Safety Authority, a search plane and a French fishing boat.

According to Australian newspapers, this will cost taxpayers there hundreds of thousands of dollars. Not to mention the risk for the sailors who saved Abby; the French captain fell into the ocean and had to be rescued himself.

All that, and for what?

Well, it will surprise no one to hear the Sunderlands were shopping a reality show. Laurence claims he pulled out of “Adventures in Sunderland” before Abby sailed, when it became clear he and the producers had dissimilar visions. He wanted an inspirational program celebrating a family of daredevils and risktakers; they wanted to chronicle what they saw as a family sending a daughter off to certain death.

Cynical as they might have been, his erstwhile partners evidently had a clearer view of things than Sunderland did.

There are obvious echoes here. Echoes of the Heene family whose balloon boy hoax last year was tied to a TV reality show proposal. And of Jessica Dubroff, who died in a crash at age 7 while attempting, before TV news cameras, to become the youngest pilot ever to fly across the country.

The common thread? Parents narcissistic enough to believe they belonged on television and calculating enough to exploit their own children to get there. Perhaps that is only to be expected in an era where fame has become downsized and cheapened until it is a thing seemingly anyone can have if they are, or do something, outlandish enough.

Laurence Sunderland surely qualifies.

He sent his daughter to sea all alone for no good reason. But for the grace of God, she would be dead now.

And the view from inside the cotton-wool tunnel is looking better all the time.








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RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... - 6/21/2010 6:12:18 PM   
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Abby Sunderland has spent at least half her life on boats.
She decided she wanted to circumnavigate long before her older brother Zac ever set that as a goal for himself.
He completed his journey in July of last year. He too, was 16 when he left.

Abby trained hard to do this.
It wasn't an impulsive lark.
From what I have read, written by Abby herself, she wasn't put up to this by her dad.
Has anyone read either of the blogs that Abby or Zac wrote?

What everyone seems to be missing is that on May 15, 2010, a 16 year old by the name of Jessica Watson completed her solo, non-stop circumnavigation. (As with Zac's in terms of actual nautical miles her trip was too short to qualify as a true circumnavigation.)
I do not recall any posts with people outraged at her attempt or success at having done so.
After all, anything could have happened while she was out there all alone.
No accusations here of abuse or exploitation by her parents.

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RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... - 6/21/2010 6:22:35 PM   
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Thanks for the update.

My biggest problem is that we keep hearing "she had been sailing all her life." Well, at 10, she had been "sailing all her life" as well. Doing something "all your life," is pretty relevant to how old you are. Comparing it to driving is just stupid, but while we are at it, we do have rules about when a kid can begin to drive, and what they can do once they start driving.

I think the father is doing a lot of back peddling about the "reality show" now that there has been so much said against them. Considering the neighbors all say they hardly ever see these people out and about, and that the family is now broke, how can anyone think they were doing a reality show for any reason other than the money. It would seem from the article you posted that "dad" thought they could show the kids taking a different life threatening, questionable risk each week, and the producers realized the insurance on such a thing would be ridiculously high.

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RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... - 6/21/2010 6:25:39 PM   
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Abby Sunderland has spent at least half her life on boats.
She decided she wanted to circumnavigate long before her older brother Zac ever set that as a goal for himself.
He completed his journey in July of last year. He too, was 16 when he left.

Abby trained hard to do this.
It wasn't an impulsive lark.
From what I have read, written by Abby herself, she wasn't put up to this by her dad.
Has anyone read either of the blogs that Abby or Zac wrote?

What everyone seems to be missing is that on May 15, 2010, a 16 year old by the name of Jessica Watson completed her solo, non-stop circumnavigation. (As with Zac's in terms of actual nautical miles her trip was too short to qualify as a true circumnavigation.)
I do not recall any posts with people outraged at her attempt or success at having done so.
After all, anything could have happened while she was out there all alone.
No accusations here of abuse or exploitation by her parents.


Do you think that might be because Jessica's parents didn't create the same media circus that the Sunderlands did? It isn't a matter of whether it was an impulsive lark, it is whether or not it was responsible to let her go. Half her life is only 8 years, most of them not having the comprehension or maturity that one even has when they hit puberty.

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RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... - 6/21/2010 6:31:16 PM   
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Has anyone read either of the blogs that Abby or Zac wrote?

What everyone seems to be missing is that on May 15, 2010, a 16 year old by the name of Jessica Watson completed her solo, non-stop circumnavigation. (As with Zac's in terms of actual nautical miles her trip was too short to qualify as a true circumnavigation.)
I do not recall any posts with people outraged at her attempt or success at having done so.
After all, anything could have happened while she was out there all alone.
No accusations here of abuse or exploitation by her parents.


Do you think that might be because Jessica's parents didn't create the same media circus that the Sunderlands did? It isn't a matter of whether it was an impulsive lark, it is whether or not it was responsible to let her go. Half her life is only 8 years, most of them not having the comprehension or maturity that one even has when they hit puberty.


No, I think it is likely because most people are unaware of what goes on outside of their own country.
I found it interesting that a lot of the criticism in the piece quoted by Firebirdseeking are by Australian journalists when it so happens that Jessica Watson is from Australia.

Edit: spelling and to shorten quote

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