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That 16 year old who went sailing... - 6/12/2010 5:00:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		I thought I was the only one that felt incredulous that 1.  Not only did her parents allow it but 2. they dismissed the potential danger as analagous to "crossing the street". I guess I am NOT the only one with this reaction  What the f is wrong with these parents?And, I understand that ocean rescues are very costly.  So who pays for THAT?         
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RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... - 6/12/2010 5:05:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Could you provide a link, I for one have no idea what you are talking about.

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RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... - 6/12/2010 5:16:28 AM   
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Status: offline 		I take it you are referring to the Mike Pelham thing with his  yacht totallymoney.com, or is there another ?

I suppose it should be asked what sort of people can afford to undertake such an endeavour, sail boats aren't exactly cheap so we are talking people with money, but one thing I have noticed with people with money to chuck around, is that they live in a different kind of reality. A reality which has overtones of Empire about it and the belief that Britain still rules the waves. But in this situation where money and prestige is involved, no doubt if things went pear shaped, the world will jump to his needs in the name of international relations.

But you will notice the boat used was perhaps state of the art in everything, electronic navigation and aids, which makes sea journeys that much easier beyond actually being out on the ocean. I would be more imnpressed if the journey was done with an older less racing inspired craft with navigation via sextant, charts, clock and tables, the old way, a way that most yachties can perhaps afford.

Some of the sailing set I see down here, for here is a big sailing set area, is they have far different concerns than the majority of the indigenous population. Which is fine, they have money and they are grockles, many of our indigenous population down here are engaged in relieving them of some of that money, as we understand that as long as they can live their ideal reality, they are easy to fleece.

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RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... - 6/12/2010 5:24:42 AM   
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And, I understand that ocean rescues are very costly.  So who pays for THAT?         


Apparently the Australian maritime authority has already said it would not pursue compensation from the family.

It was an expensive rescue too, they charted an Airbus from Qantas as part of the operation. 

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RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... - 6/12/2010 5:24:43 AM   
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RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... - 6/12/2010 5:26:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		australia yearly has the sydney to hobart yacht race. inevitably there are accidents and sometimes deaths during this race. every year. i don't believe any of the rescue operations charges for these.

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RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... - 6/12/2010 5:28:12 AM   
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Could you provide a link, I for one have no idea what you are talking about.

thanks,

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RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... - 6/12/2010 5:32:33 AM   
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RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... - 6/12/2010 5:46:50 AM   
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RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... - 6/12/2010 5:49:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		I will trust that her parents knew what was best.  Her 17 year old brother did the same thing a few years ago.  I do not want to involve myself with how people choose to parent their children.  

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RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... - 6/12/2010 5:53:56 AM   
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There is no way a child of 16 should be out there alone.

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RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... - 6/12/2010 5:59:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		At what age is a child old enough to assume responsibility?  18?  21? 25? Kids mature at different rates.

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RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... - 6/12/2010 5:59:27 AM   
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RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... - 6/12/2010 6:01:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Firebirdseeking

I thought I was the only one that felt incredulous that 1.  Not only did her parents allow it but 2. they dismissed the potential danger as analagous to "crossing the street". I guess I am NOT the only one with this reaction  What the f is wrong with these parents?And, I understand that ocean rescues are very costly.  So who pays for THAT?         


It all depends what kind of young woman she is (sense of responsibility) and how much training she's had in sailing. I started sailing lessons at 10 and by my late teens, I was pretty good at it. Today, I'm quite rusty though.

I agree that 16 seems a bit young for many, but again, I don't see the parents as necessarily irresponsible. My parents let me go on roadtrips with friends when I was 16 as they new I was responsible.

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RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... - 6/12/2010 6:09:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		~~FR~~You know, sometimes parents HAVE to allow their children to follow their dreams even if the risks are scary.   Trying to curtail them because you are afraid for them to me is wrong IF the child is ready.  Sometimes the risks aren't  to me enough to stop someone because while you may be saving them from MAYBE having to experience one of the "risks", you damn well could be killing their soul, dreams, and goals not because of themselves, but because of fear. And to me the latter due to fear is a lot worse that a parent can do to a child than the former.  Fear is a emotion that curtails many a dream for even adults in this world.  We have become a world that allows fear to rule us.  Its nice to see when people can overcome fear enough to allow a child to attempt follow her dream and maybe achieve a goal such as setting a record.

As others have said -- what's in a age.  Because the country said they aren't adult yet?  Hell i know some 16 year olds who are more mature, more responsible and have a better head on their shoulders than most 20 somthing year olds.

There's a reason the average 16 year old shouldn't be doing this -- i agree, but its not irresponsibility on the parents part for knowing their child is ready and mature enough and responsibile enough to attempt to follow a dream such as this.

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RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... - 6/12/2010 6:15:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Remember Natalie Holloway ? She was supposedly responsible also. She ended up drunk and dead.

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RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... - 6/12/2010 6:16:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		So do adults, so do kids in OUR society at proms or just hanging out with friends with regard to drunk.  Many 17 year olds are murdered and disappear in our society.  And many of these kids were simply allowed to go out with friends or do something on their own etc.  Kids even YOUNGER than 17 are murdered, raped, etc etc in our own country.  If you are curious about this -- get a list of missing kids even in your own state.  Natalie Holloway was only news because her parents decided to make it news when she disappeared and they couldn't find out what happened to her.   There are Natalie Holloways all over our country whose parent simply allowed them to go out with friends or do something on their own.


sorry, my computer is screwy and deleted a whole portion of my post.    What you are speaking about is simply geography.

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RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... - 6/12/2010 6:30:13 AM   
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RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... - 6/12/2010 6:37:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		Of course you allow a child to follow their dreams, within reason. Allow her to prepare for a solo trip, to plan and prepare for it when she is older. That is not smothering their dreams, but rather encouaging while adding a dose of common sense and parental authority.

I have no idea why the 16 yr old had to be rescued...or if a more expierenced sailor would have had thew same issues. The parents allowed her to follow her dreams? She could have lost her life out there, sailing in a storm season.

I can't help but wonder about the motivation of the parents.

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RE: That 16 year old who went sailing... - 6/12/2010 6:40:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		the results prove she's in some fierce waters.

from what i've read, she seems to have responded in an appropriate (setting off her alarms) way, and not panicked.

she responded calmly when voice contact was established. i doubt they would have left her out there alone (remember there was a rescue team in that qantas plane) if they did not believe she was safe to do so.

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