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rulemylife -> RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time Simply Reboots (6/16/2010 8:04:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: marie2 quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife And some find their beliefs so sacred that they cannot be questioned. Does it really frighten you so much that this might be all there is? You must have missed the post in which I said this.... I personally don't need to believe in an afterlife, and I don't have a hard time accepting that it all ends someday. I'm not frightened in the least. For the record, you didn't question anything. You came back with a cheap shot under a false assumption with regards to where I was coming from. And you turned it into an "us vs them" discussion. If you wanted to discuss, question, or bounce things around in a mutually respectful manner, that would be one thing. But you haven't done that here. You've done nothing but take people's beliefs and contemplations as some kind of personal afront to your own, and you've responded with defensiveness and insults. I have no use for it. Oh please, I've seen enough of these threads to know the believers just want to encourage each other. And I was trying to be respectful until someone decided I was an asshole for stating my opinion. Any idea who that was? So spare me the holier-than-thou attitude.

GotSteel -> RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time Simply Reboots (6/16/2010 8:05:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BitaTruble Good question. I don't believe that consciousness is dependent on the brain but on the spirt and energy within us. While our spirit/energy remains in the body it is subject to chemical inducements. Yet memory, a sense of self and the ability to think are all products of the brain. How does the consciousness function without these? Does one spend eternity as a metaphysical drooling vegetable? quote: ORIGINAL: BitaTruble When the spirit leaves the body, the consciousness goes with it which is why an out of body experience allows your body to continue to function.. but you are an onlooker to what your body is doing.. the brain continues to move the arms and legs but you get to watch the whole thing from outside yourself. It's pretty cool actually. If that's what's happening why can people have the same experiences while being very much alive and in their bodies by using drugs or receiving e-stim to the angular gyrus?

marie2 -> RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time Simply Reboots (6/16/2010 8:20:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife Oh please, I've seen enough of these threads to know the believers just want to encourage each other. And I was trying to be respectful until someone decided I was an asshole for stating my opinion. Any idea who that was? So spare me the holier-than-thou attitude. You didn't state your opinion at all. You read my comment (as well as the comments of others) and instead of responding with intellect to the content of the posts, you've done nothing but respond with sarcastic low-blow jabs. And you got called on it. Act like an asshole expect to be seen as such. Nothing holy about it, babe.

rulemylife -> RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time Simply Reboots (6/16/2010 8:21:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania Another example of mocking people who have religious feelings... that aside for a moment, and stay on topic from the article... Did the article claim that there was a god? Did it claim there was life after death? Did it claim that there was supernatural forces at work that could explain the cosmos? No, it did not. I suggest you reread the article. Here is the thing, I don't think the article is the gospel truth. I don't think that the author of it has evidence. I think it is an interesting way to look at time and space and the observer of it (meaning the conscious being). We do not understand many things about how time works, how the universe works, how parallel universes work. We do not understand these things, but we are developing ways to understand them... Now you post on this thread making it about a belief in God, when it clearly isn't? Why? Why do you have to turn every speculation about the nature of reality and the human consciousness into an opportunity to bash on religious people? What innate insecurity within you causes you to do that? Why do some Atheists need to crap all over everything because they don't like that line of thinking? I say this as an agnostic, someone who does not know what happens when I die, someone who doesn't have answers....someone who searches for answers. My son, who trends toward Atheism, made a particularly relevant statement about Atheists, and the reason why he could not become one... he said... "You know mom, Atheists are so much like religious people, they need answers as to what happens when they die, just like religious people do.... Certainty that when we die we cease to exist is better than uncertainty that they are living this life wrong. To deal with that insecurity of not knowing they make up their own answer to explain everything" My son is brilliant. Be serious, the article did not mention God but was obviously intended to imply the existence of an afterlife. And to quote another poster's favorite phrase, it was just intellectual masturbation. I could sit here all day and think up all kinds of wonderful theories to explain our existence but until there is some proof it remains which superstition you want to believe in.

rulemylife -> RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time Simply Reboots (6/16/2010 8:24:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: marie2 You didn't state your opinion at all. You read my comment (as well as the comments of others) and instead of responding with intellect to the content of the posts, you've done nothing but respond with sarcastic low-blow jabs. And you got called on it. Act like an asshole expect to be seen as such. Nothing holy about it, babe. Well, babe, if I didn't state my opinion babe, then what are you arguing with me about babe?

rulemylife -> RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time Simply Reboots (6/16/2010 8:35:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania Im not sorry to disagree, I welcome it. What I do not welcome is condescension, arrogance, and absolute certainty of a position that is uncertain. What I also do not welcome is any sort of belief system that assumes that there is no further knowledge to be gained on any topic, especially the biggest one of all, does the human consciousness mean more than some random electrical noise... For crying out loud, we are still in the Dark Ages of understanding physics, electricity, even fucking gravity...lol For crying out loud, your whole argument is a logical fallacy. I can shove a knife in an electrical socket and be convinced pretty quickly that electricity exists. Show me the proof of God and an afterlife. You are saying that what cannot be proven untrue means that it might be possible, and you don't understand how weak an argument that is?

marie2 -> RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time Simply Reboots (6/16/2010 8:36:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: marie2 You didn't state your opinion at all. You read my comment (as well as the comments of others) and instead of responding with intellect to the content of the posts, you've done nothing but respond with sarcastic low-blow jabs. And you got called on it. Act like an asshole expect to be seen as such. Nothing holy about it, babe. Well, babe, if I didn't state my opinion babe, then what are you arguing with me about babe? Nasty remarks, mockery, insults, sarcasm, and rhetorical questions, are not opinions. They're your reactions to hearing something that you disagree with. Our exchange has been about your "behavior".

FatDomDaddy -> RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time Simply Reboots (6/16/2010 8:42:41 PM)
Don't want to go by the devil. Don't want to go by demon. Don't want to go by Satan, Don't want to die un_easy. Just let me go___ naturally. And when I die_____ When I'm dead, dead and gone___ There'll be one_child_born in our world_ to carry on, To carry on.

rulemylife -> RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time Simply Reboots (6/16/2010 8:50:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: marie2 Nasty remarks, mockery, insults, sarcasm, and rhetorical questions, are not opinions. They're your reactions to hearing something that you disagree with. Our exchange has been about your "behavior". No, our exchange has been about you being insulted when you hear things that offend your beliefs. If you can't stand the heat................

Silence8 -> RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time Simply Reboots (6/16/2010 9:44:50 PM)
I am just a butterfly, dreaming I'm reading a sub-par CM thread. -SilenceZi

TheHeretic -> RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time Simply Reboots (6/16/2010 10:12:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife You are saying that what cannot be proven untrue means that it might be possible, and you don't understand how weak an argument that is? These are matters of faith, RML. Some have faith that there is more to the universe than we can yet comprehend, you seem to have faith in humans having this shit all figured out because we invented television and can do a little math.

brainiacsub -> RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time Simply Reboots (6/16/2010 11:35:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife You are saying that what cannot be proven untrue means that it might be possible, and you don't understand how weak an argument that is? These are matters of faith, RML. [...] You are right. You are exactly right. And if the theists and spiritualists who frequent these forums would just admit it, admit that their beliefs are based in faith - by definition, a belief in something for which there is no evidence - then these threads wouldn't deteriorate to shit all the time. But no, they come out here and rewrite history, or interpret it badly, or invent some pseudoscience, or discredit good science, or quote bad science, or otherwise employ fallacies of logic or misdirection in an effort to provide justification for their beliefs. Even when they try to use scripture to defend their arguments, they always run in to atheists who know the scriptures better than they do. There are at least 3 or 4 atheists who post here who have a grasp of Theology that far exceeds that of any of the theists. It's people like julia who inflame these threads by claiming that the atheists ridicule the faithful for their beliefs. No, the atheists ridicule the ill-informed and often asinine attempts at justification for ones faith, when none exists and none is necessary. quote: Some have faith that there is more to the universe than we can yet comprehend... Even atheists will acknowledge the truth of this statement. But they prefer to rely on the methods of science to figure it out, as opposed to making something up that is aligned with ones spiritual beliefs, like the OP's article.

eyesopened -> RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time Simply Reboots (6/17/2010 5:18:57 AM)
Okay, I'll step up. I have faith. I know that I believe things that have no concrete evidence. Yet when I read about things like information loss paradox and other problems of physics, scientists do not seem to have a problem with things not having concrete evidence...yet. They are happy to work on a problem of things that they believe should exist based on observation. And some things in physics seem to be dependent upon the state of the observer such as is demonstrated with relativity. It would seem to me that the only way to learn anything is to first admit that we don't know. Discovery stops when we claim to have the answer and that there is no need to look any further. So why would it be impossible for the information, brainwaves to continue to exist? We already know that radio waves and television broadcasts never completely disappear even if they are broken up into tiny pieces. So why couldn't we continue to exist? Why is that totally unreasonable? I have faith that I will continue to exist maybe in the form of information. I don't know. I don't think it's a bad thing to want to know. Wanting to know is the first step to discovery.

SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time Simply Reboots (6/17/2010 5:49:21 AM)
It's about the approach they take to better establish the answer. With science you are as objective as possible learning something either way i.e. if the results goes against what you expect you still learn from it. With religion you invest emotion into the question being answered a certain way. Even when a spiritualist finds an answer that doesn't support their initial belief they placate it by finding ways that their original belief may still be true with this new knowledge. Some go even further and deny the knowledge exists or proves anything. At least religion is acknowledged as a subject through theology, you are not assured the same with theory of evolution. Some people reuse to even acknowledge its significance; even though it stands up to far more scrutiny through geology than theology does.

TreasureKY -> RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time Simply Reboots (6/17/2010 6:09:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: brainiacsub ...if the theists and spiritualists who frequent these forums would just admit it, admit that their beliefs are based in faith - by definition, a belief in something for which there is no evidence - then these threads wouldn't deteriorate to shit all the time. But no, they come out here and rewrite history, or interpret it badly, or invent some pseudoscience, or discredit good science, or quote bad science, or otherwise employ fallacies of logic or misdirection in an effort to provide justification for their beliefs... And if the atheists who frequent these forums would just admit it, admit that their beliefs are based in faith - by definition, a belief in something for which there is no evidence - then these threads wouldn't deteriorate to shit all the time. But no, they come out here and rewrite history, or interpret it badly, or invent some pseudoscience, or discredit good science, or quote bad science, or otherwise employ fallacies of logic or misdirection in an effort to provide justification for their beliefs... It works both ways, yanno. [8\|]

Silence8 -> RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time Simply Reboots (6/17/2010 6:50:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TreasureKY quote: ORIGINAL: brainiacsub ...if the theists and spiritualists who frequent these forums would just admit it, admit that their beliefs are based in faith - by definition, a belief in something for which there is no evidence - then these threads wouldn't deteriorate to shit all the time. But no, they come out here and rewrite history, or interpret it badly, or invent some pseudoscience, or discredit good science, or quote bad science, or otherwise employ fallacies of logic or misdirection in an effort to provide justification for their beliefs... And if the atheists who frequent these forums would just admit it, admit that their beliefs are based in faith - by definition, a belief in something for which there is no evidence - then these threads wouldn't deteriorate to shit all the time. But no, they come out here and rewrite history, or interpret it badly, or invent some pseudoscience, or discredit good science, or quote bad science, or otherwise employ fallacies of logic or misdirection in an effort to provide justification for their beliefs... It works both ways, yanno. [8\|] Not really. By the way, I'm not an atheist per se, but what you appear to be talking about applies much, much easier to religious types.

brainiacsub -> RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time Simply Reboots (6/17/2010 7:22:25 AM)
No, it doesn't, Treasure. Atheism - by definition, absence of belief - does not require faith. It requires logic and reason, and common sense. Your choosing not to believe in Santa Clause has nothing to do with faith, but instead is the most logical conclusion you could make given the lack of evidence he exists. The rest of your post was crap, but nice try.

Moonhead -> RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time Simply Reboots (6/17/2010 7:26:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: eyesopened So why would it be impossible for the information, brainwaves to continue to exist? We already know that radio waves and television broadcasts never completely disappear even if they are broken up into tiny pieces. So why couldn't we continue to exist? Why is that totally unreasonable? Mostly because the majority of the activity in your brain is chemical rather than electrical.

thishereboi -> RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time Simply Reboots (6/17/2010 7:31:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: brainiacsub quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife You are saying that what cannot be proven untrue means that it might be possible, and you don't understand how weak an argument that is? These are matters of faith, RML. [...] You are right. You are exactly right. And if the theists and spiritualists who frequent these forums would just admit it, admit that their beliefs are based in faith - by definition, a belief in something for which there is no evidence - then these threads wouldn't deteriorate to shit all the time. But no, they come out here and rewrite history, or interpret it badly, or invent some pseudoscience, or discredit good science, or quote bad science, or otherwise employ fallacies of logic or misdirection in an effort to provide justification for their beliefs. Even when they try to use scripture to defend their arguments, they always run in to atheists who know the scriptures better than they do. There are at least 3 or 4 atheists who post here who have a grasp of Theology that far exceeds that of any of the theists. Well duh, anyone who has read your posts know that the atheists have hit the ultimate high in intelligence and anyone who still believes is obviously stupid. It's people like julia who inflame these threads by claiming that the atheists ridicule the faithful for their beliefs. No, the atheists ridicule the ill-informed and often asinine attempts at justification for ones faith, when none exists and none is necessary. Well of course, they are just using their superior brains to try and help those poor unfortunate believers. quote: Some have faith that there is more to the universe than we can yet comprehend... Even atheists will acknowledge the truth of this statement. But they prefer to rely on the methods of science to figure it out, as opposed to making something up that is aligned with ones spiritual beliefs, like the OP's article. That's because they are so superior. Don't you get dizzy looking down at all those people all the time?

brainiacsub -> RE: What Happens When You Die? Evidence Suggests Time Simply Reboots (6/17/2010 8:17:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: eyesopened [...] So why would it be impossible for the information, brainwaves to continue to exist? We already know that radio waves and television broadcasts never completely disappear even if they are broken up into tiny pieces. So why couldn't we continue to exist? Why is that totally unreasonable? [...] Because information is not brainwaves. It's not some mysterious energy that is neither created nor destroyed but exists forever in other forms. Everything you think, everything you feel, all of your memories, everything you've come to understand as your consciousness is chemical. The electical activity that exists in your body is also chemical. When the chemicals are no longer "active," you cease to exist. The point is, don't you think the people who can best answer "what is reasonable" are the people with the most knowledge of how something works to begin with? It is neither coincidence nor arrogance that most scientists who study human biology and chemistry would indeed find the idea that the human conscious exists forever unreasonable. ETA: Moon, you beat me to it.

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