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LadyNTrainer -> RE: Why Just Pros? (6/17/2010 1:59:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven
Maybe I've got this thing all wrong. I have no issues with women who choose to charge, but look down on the men who are so driven by unmet fetishes that they need to pay.


It is not the desires I would ever look down on, but how they are acted on.  You can have all kinds of fantasies and fetishes and still be a good person who doesn't do horrible, nonconsensual or shockingly rude things to ladies because he cares more about getting his kink on than about being decent and considerate to others.  I do have problems with men who are so "driven" by their unmet fetishes that they act out in rude, crude and socially unacceptable ways.  I'm sorry, but having unmet needs is not an excuse to treat another human being badly.

I respect ethical, honest professionals as well as ethical, honest clients.  Who I don't respect are people with no ethics, and those can be either would-be clients or not-very-professional professionals.  There are guys who behave themselves so crudely and selfishly towards the women on this site that no one other than a professional would agree to meet with them.  Actually a lot of professionals would reject them also.  And yes, I do look down on them, not because they have unmet needs, but because of how they're handling them.  Hiring a pro can be a much more ethical choice than harassing non pro women to be your drive-through McDomme's without being willing to be emotionally or personally available for her in a real relationship.

Generally this sort doesn't understand why all women won't just be their free fetish providers, nor will they accept any responsibility for the reasons why women aren't personally interested in them.  Typically they're quite angry and bitter about the fact that they can't order up their fetish menu choices for free any time they like from anyone they like, and it's not much fun to watch their trainwreck when there's not a thing you can say to keep it from derailing.  That's the only sort I actually look down on.  Honest clients seeking fair, ethical transactions are good folks worth respecting, especially when they clearly understand what the transaction is. 



MissAsylum -> RE: Why Just Pros? (6/17/2010 2:05:10 AM)

i'm paticularly cautious of those who really don't care who is dominating them, so to speak. when i worked at another person's dungeon, most clients who came in took the time to read the information avaiable to them about each of the resident dommes and chose accordingly or already had a favourite and would not want to go to anybody else. however, on a slow day, i was at the front meeting people than came in, one person really didnt seem interested in what i was saying, moreso the pair of heels i was wearing. i asked him what he's looking for and he said "anything", i gave him to a girl he randomly picked and left in a huff being disappointed, wanting his money back, and her not being a "real" domme. that bothered me. how or rather, why would you go to a place of business and not know what you want. thats like me going to a nail salon and i havent the foggiest clue what i want done, but then i bitch about me not liking my nails. you should know what that person is good at and if it works for you.



AQuietSimpleMan -> RE: Why Just Pros? (6/17/2010 2:07:56 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyCimarron

Hi AQSM,

you kind of proved the woman's point. You took a great deal of time to trash pro-dommes and everything about them. You really referred to the women to the lowest degree you could think of then at the end tacked on one little sentence calling the men nothing but Johns and referring to the women as trash. And NOTE: you called the men Johns whether they went to "professional women" or "trash." So you actually said very little (if anything) derogatory about the men.



Sorry, I was just trying to keep persepctive, Let me assure you. Pro's and Johns are easy to facilitate, but when you throw in sub and Domme you have a slightly different perspective in the Pay to Play world.

If I was not clear enough then let me put it this way. Those who see Crack Whores and Street Hookers are equally as useless in my book as the whores themselves. Those who see "Pro" Domme's who are looking for walking piggy banks and cash cows are as useless in my book as the "Pro" themself.

I find them EQUALLY distasteful. I think both are trash.

Does that clear that up for you? No one is getting a Pass. In fact in most cases I think less of the Johns then I do the "Pro's" because the "Pro" is cashing in on what is basically someone paying them to treat them like shit, the John on the other hand is paying them to act that way.

Such is life though, I donlt believe I can stop it but my opinion on it stands.

QSM



MissSepphora1 -> RE: Why Just Pros? (6/17/2010 2:09:27 AM)

Some men will put down women at any chance they get. They will find any reason to attack women. They enjoy putting a woman down. Conversely there are also women who are quick to do the same.
Luckily they've found a place where it's accepted, and some people actually enjoy it. It's even got a name, "humiliation play."
I have never understood this, and I'm not good at it. It stuns me how many men ask for it as one of their interests.



LadyCimarron -> RE: Why Just Pros? (6/17/2010 2:17:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyNTrainer

Consider why this is so.  There are dominant women on the board seeking a personal relationship.  But of the male "submissives" who are actively seeking the attention of a dominant woman, the overwhelming majority are doing so in a manner that makes it clear that the object is their immediate and shallow sexual gratification, with little or no interest in getting to know the human being who is performing their fantasy for them.  

If what you want *is* a relationship, and you are actually ready for a relationship with a human being, not a cardboard cut-out from a fetish magazine you can masturbate to and otherwise ignore, the dommes are out there and looking. 


Thank you very much!!!!! Maybe someone will read this and take the fucking hint. I for one am sick and tired of some submales writing me saying they want play time and then having the unmitigated gall to be surprised that I want to build a friendship and a relationship with them. I have actually had a few that have offered me MONEY when I suggest that maybe we should get to know each other and build a personal relationship. This from guys who tell me they don't want a pro. The fact is, many don't want a pro -they want a "ho." They want to run a game and get the Ds equivalent of a fucking booty call from women and not have to invest time, energy, emotions or money. So those guys need to pay somebody to handle their business with. Because I truly wish loser motherfuckers like that( that means married cheaters, playas, booty callers and all others who don't want shit but to use us lifestyle Dommes) would dial 1-900-PRO-DOMMES.  and leave us lifestyle Dommes the fuck alone.

wow- I got unplugged there for a minute, didn't I?



LadyNTrainer -> RE: Why Just Pros? (6/17/2010 2:24:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: AQuietSimpleMan
Well if I choose to go to Munches or events, then I choose to be around people I at times respect very little. Socially I only know them because they choose to talk about their activities ad-infinitum. All you have to do is ask "So how much do you care for the subs you service?" and out will come all the funnly looks of "Care?" as if I just asked them if they wanted to give me a hand job. I have a rather harsh distaste for many "Pro" Domme's because of how low they see the people who pay their bills. I have met VERY few who do not have a very negative view of their johns beyond their ability to pay them.


Good gods.  I don't know anything about the community in your state, but my own West Coast experience was a hell of a lot more positive, with the pro dommes of the SF Bay area being staunch pillars of the community and involved in charity and fundraising and generally being good people.  I know there can be some real scum at the bottom of the barrel, but I've been fortunate enough to never have gone delving there.  I've only ever run into a few pro dommes who behaved the way you described, or who thought of their clients as "johns".  Are you sure you're not meeting street hookers?


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That being said I will reserve my views on you personally as I don't quite know how to view you at the moment. Because what I see is a Trainer (Whom I have known to be some of the most sadistic bastards on the planet) and they are paid for a service as is being implied in this thread but I don't view you in the same world as a "Pro" Domme I see you more as a Professional Trainer who is also a Domme.


I am a lifestyle dominant in an open poly D/s relationship, and I spend most of my time here chatting about the internal dynamics of my poly family, general BDSM philosophy and nerdly/geeky stuff.  I am also a pro dom, though my focus is in the gym rather than the dungeon, as I combine certified personal training and fitness/nutrition life coaching with kinky motivations to reach desired goals.   Make no mistake, while the sessions remain within safe and legal limits (no sex or direct sexual contact) there is bare butt spanking, flogging, naughty gym clothes, etc, involved in the motivational part.  That makes me a pro dom, a sex worker, an adult industry worker, whatever you'd like to call it.  I do get paid for spanking bare butts while wearing fetish clothes, though ideally I'd like a session to accomplish a bit more than just this fun part.  [:D]

When I say I am a professional, I mean that in the positive sense of knowing what I'm doing, being qualified to do it, having business ethics and a responsibility to my clients.  My outlook on what professionalism means hasn't changed because I'm working in the adult industry.  I operate the same way as a pro dom as I do in any other business endeavor, with actual professionalism.  To some people this won't matter, and they will put me in the same moral class as a crack whore because what I am selling is sexual and kinky in nature.  Personally I'd say that's their hangup.  I think that the knee-jerk reaction folks need to look at their own moral values and decide whether they can think for themselves well enough to judge a professional on their professionalism as opposed to which industry they're operating in. 



LadyPact -> RE: Why Just Pros? (6/17/2010 2:37:50 AM)

I'm going to trim this down a bit so as to not inconvenience anyone.

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ORIGINAL: AQuietSimpleMan
I think you may have mistook me as I feel equal disdain for the Johns as I do the "Pro" By this what I mean is that when I see a "Pro" who is looking for a cash cow and has no respect for the business aspect and literally sees just talking to them as something to be paid for getting as much out of a john as they can and then when there is no money casting them off as an empty wallet.

Now lets be honest an Escort or a Call Girl is not going to be calling on you to make sure you are okay, they will not see you if you cannot pay for it, but they treat it like a business in that a john does not expect to spend time with them unless it is paid. What I have noticed on CollarMe is this Farming of Subs, This idea of Tribute, where they lead many subs on and keep their interest as long as money is coming.

What I meant in my last Paragraph is that I see the subs/john equal to the quality of Pro they employ. So the Derogatory comments I made about the "Pro" is equally how I see the sub/john because of company they choose to keep.

I actually think this is on target.  It is a much more fair assessment than what I tend to see here.  I'm not a gambling woman, but I'd be willing to give you odds that there are more threads created to complain about pros than there ever will be about those who use their services.

(I know you addressed this next part to LNT, but I'd like to respond anyway.)

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ORIGINAL: AQuietSimpleMan
I have met in my time close to 100 self proclaimed "Pro" Domme's all of which I knew on a "personal" level meaning I just knew them not paid for their serviced, all of them literally refered to their johns in some form of derogatory manner such as "ATM" "SubbyBank" "Banker" "Credit Card" to all of them the act itself was all about money and that in itself was the kink, there was no care of the submissive beyond their ability to pay them money.

Isn't that the essence of a business transaction?  There isn't an emotional investment.  I wouldn't walk into the shop that My local nail tech owns and have him expect to care if My nails need to be done if I couldn't pay him. 
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Well if I choose to go to Munches or events, then I choose to be around people I at times respect very little. Socially I only know them because they choose to talk about their activities ad-infinitum. All you have to do is ask "So how much do you care for the subs you service?" and out will come all the funnly looks of "Care?" as if I just asked them if they wanted to give me a hand job. I have a rather harsh distaste for many "Pro" Domme's because of how low they see the people who pay their bills. I have met VERY few who do not have a very negative view of their johns beyond their ability to pay them.

I think there is a middle ground here.  Being somewhat of a third party to the conversation, there might be a bit of a slant.  Remember, we are talking about business.  These aren't people's personal submissives, so you can't expect them to have the same sorts of feelings towards them.  Not everybody likes the person who is signing the paycheck.

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I compare all the "Pro" Dommes I have Heard/Read about on CollarMe to the above scale and very few make it above the Street Hooker level


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Sorry I don't know you. Have read little about you. I can say that to some degree when you talk about it in the other threads I don't see a lot of what I see in other "Pro" threads, I even see a thought process that seems Mutual that I rarely see in other Pro's I see that you actually enjoy seeing someone excited when you help them reach a goal.

That being said I will reserve my views on you personally as I don't quite know how to view you at the moment. Because what I see is a Trainer (Whom I have known to be some of the most sadistic bastards on the planet) and they are paid for a service as is being implied in this thread but I don't view you in the same world as a "Pro" Domme I see you more as a Professional Trainer who is also a Domme.

Just my views on the thing.

QSM

If neither of them minds Me saying so, I would easily be able to see Maria and LNT in that top 10% of the field.  Both have always come across here as knowledgeable in their craft.  You can see it in the things that they post.  They aren't the type that couldn't top themselves out of a wet paper bag, which is how I will readily admit that many 'pros' couldn't.



AQuietSimpleMan -> RE: Why Just Pros? (6/17/2010 2:47:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: AQuietSimpleMan
I have met in my time close to 100 self proclaimed "Pro" Domme's all of which I knew on a "personal" level meaning I just knew them not paid for their serviced, all of them literally refered to their johns in some form of derogatory manner such as "ATM" "SubbyBank" "Banker" "Credit Card" to all of them the act itself was all about money and that in itself was the kink, there was no care of the submissive beyond their ability to pay them money.


Isn't that the essence of a business transaction? There isn't an emotional investment. I wouldn't walk into the shop that My local nail tech owns and have him expect to care if My nails need to be done if I couldn't pay him.


A Poor Businessman wouldn't see to it that you returned exclusively to them by caring to know that you are how the business stays open. Only a fool believes that the loss of a customer is no big thing.

If I do not care for my customers, if I treat them so poorly that their viewed worth is that of a tissue to me they will eventually find someone who appreciates their money more, and will even pay more less often for a better expereince.

What do you perfer to eat High Grade Prime Choice USDA Meat, or something you may not actually be able to identify as meat? Now I can buy the crap meat every day if I like but the stuff I end up buying I have to buy once or twice a Month. I also appreciate the process more.

My Point in all of this is that a Business Transaction is just part of the entire experience those who understand this do VERY WELL and they respect every client they have because if they lose them they have to replace them and relationships even those between prostitute and john can take some time to generate.

QSM



lally2 -> RE: Why Just Pros? (6/17/2010 2:54:57 AM)

as a sub i can totally relate to the guys who have written on here, i cant obviously comment on the experiences LadyCimarron has had, other than i guess its possible that there are a whole load of guys in vanilla marriages who want the outlet they cant have at home and people who need that release but do not identify as a sub in any other format.

but clearly from what LadyC has said, there is clearly a market for pro-dommes 'here' and is why, i guess there are so many advertising themselves.  personally i take the view that this is a dating site and should be kept for that

i think that socially hookers or anyone being paid for sexual favours are seen as cashing in on male needs - on the whole i think there is this latent belief that men just cant help themselves (helping the flames along (fan fan [:)]) and are therefore just doing what men do, whereas women are 'supposed' to be demure and sexually inexplicit (except in the bedroom with hubby)  these old fashioned views still survive, they are to some extent ingrained.

so it is a form of chauvanism i think.  men can do what they like and thats ok, theyre just being men - the hookers are, hypocritically enough, seen as exploiters of mens needs.  its the same mentality i think where a man will fuck a slut and then slag her off afterwards for being an easy bike ride.



LadyCimarron -> RE: Why Just Pros? (6/17/2010 3:03:19 AM)

LNT is a personal trainer as well as a Pro-Domme. I find it very telling that no one has ever ONCE suggested there was anything wrong with her charging clients for her personal training services. This is also a service they could get for free from a non-professional. The thing is they are paying for her PROFESSIONAL EXPERTISE as a personal trainer. The same holds true for professional Dommes. Submales pay for the PROFESSIONAL EXPERTISE. While I admit some Pro-dommes have no professional expertise and some are just scammers, there are unprofessionals and scammers in every profession.
I have been ripped off by more mechanics than I can tell you, (I think we all have) but I don't go around bashing everyone in the professional auto mechanics field.  Most unprofessional businesses don't last because people will stop going to them, but you have to ask yourself, why is it Pro-Dommes seem to have the only business that keeps going in spite of bad service?




AQuietSimpleMan -> RE: Why Just Pros? (6/17/2010 3:25:14 AM)

So with the amount of times I have Masturbated I am a Professional Semen Administer, Should I be able to charge for it?

So what qualifies someone as a Professional? Who gets to determine that? How do you do a Background check on that?

I don't think Professional means Expert. I think it simply means that I'll charge you to do what I do for a few hours and GUARANTEE you get to play, for something that if you tried to find mutually could take a long time.

Sorry but it's a shortcut, and it usually means you get what you want... I.E. In most cases a service top.

Now there are many professional's that I do respect. I do have great respect for the profession as a whole. I see it's Great Business possibilities and I see it as the purest form of supply and demand.

However I have seen the Majority of those in the "Pro" Domme world make it a fucking circus that really just disgusts me, and the people who partisipate in it equally so.

QSM



LadyCimarron -> RE: Why Just Pros? (6/17/2010 3:57:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: AQuietSimpleMan

So with the amount of times I have Masturbated I am a Professional Semen Administer, Should I be able to charge for it?
 
Yes, you should be able to charge for it. And anyone who wants to should be able to avail themselves to your service.


So what qualifies someone as a Professional? Who gets to determine that? How do you do a Background check on that?

Some professions are governed by the state. others you have to just do your research on. Once I learned to, I started asking around about mechanics before going to one.


I don't think Professional means Expert. I think it simply means that I'll charge you to do what I do for a few hours and GUARANTEE you get to play, for something that if you tried to find mutually could take a long time.

I said not all professionals have professional expertise. But if you are paying for it, whether or not you got professional services is entirely based on YOUR opinion. If you did not get profesional service you should not return, this would eventually eliminate the bad business owners from the said profession.

Sorry but it's a shortcut, and it usually means you get what you want... I.E. In most cases a service top.

If you got what you wanted there should be no noise about paying for what you got. You paid for service top, got a service top.....fair deal.

Now there are many professional's that I do respect. I do have great respect for the profession as a whole. I see it's Great Business possibilities and I see it as the purest form of supply and demand.

I agree

However I have seen the Majority of those in the "Pro" Domme world make it a fucking circus that really just disgusts me, and the people who partisipate in it equally so.

Now tell me, if business is about supply and demand, why are these "pro" dommes who give bad service to customers still in business.  Bad mechanics, bad restaurants, bad plumbers all eventually lose their business. Why not bad pro-dommes........its because there is still a demand for it. Which tells me that their business couldn't be that bad if there are still men willing to pay for it.
 

 



Jeffff -> RE: Why Just Pros? (6/17/2010 4:25:53 AM)

Is it really domination if the sub pays and decides what will or will not happen?

Is it really submission if the sub pays and decides what will or will not happen?


Nope, so they are in the same boat.

It seems to me that on these boards you can slam a pro because it's a job. If you slam a sub who pays you are being judgmental about their kink.


Kinda silly



ourmsbetty -> RE: Why Just Pros? (6/17/2010 4:37:34 AM)

Mind you I haven't had a  chance to go through all the posts, but I have to say I think that those who speak of professionals in derogatory terms usually feel threatened by them.

I see it as the same insecurity some show when they act negatively to any sexually confident assertive woman. A strong woman makes them feel inadequate and they lash out.

Mind you that's just the ones I've seen. Your mileage may vary.



LafayetteLady -> RE: Why Just Pros? (6/17/2010 4:38:33 AM)

FR-

I tend to look at both the same way, but that "view" can vary. It seems that often around here, there are a few who claim to be "pros" at 18, 19 or so, give or take a couple years. To me, it is unlikely that they have had the life experience to become "pro" at such a young age and tend to fall into the category that AQSM described, essentially money whores without a clue looking for an easy way to get some guy to pay the bills. Then there are those who are older and more experienced and it is a job. Again, as AQSM described, like the difference between a street hooker and a high priced call girl. Then of course there are those who don't claim to be "pros" but are all about the guy giving "tribute."

For the men, variables apply as well. I'm sure a large number of men who are using pros of any kind do so because they are married and seeking to satisfy a need outside their marriage. If they are doing this secretly, I don't approve and think they are scum, plain and simple. Not interested in their reasoning for going behind their wife's back, doesn't matter. They are cheating. Granted, because they aren't doing it to me, it is in that whole "your kink, not mine" kind of thing, but I personally wouldn't want anything to do with them. I understand a respectable pro taking them on as a client, after all, for them it is a job, not a relationship.

On the other hand, if a married man uses a pro to have his needs met and his wife has consented, I see nothing wrong with it, in fact, I think for many this is better for their primary relationship than if they got "involved" with someone else in a secondary relationship. I mean no offense to the great number of people here who DO have these secondary relationships and all the spouses are involved. That works great for them and that's fine as well. I just think it would be easier to simply have their submissive needs met outside the marriage without the ongoing demands of a Mistress.

I can see single men using reputable pros because they have the needs but aren't looking for a full time relationship of that type for whatever reason, or they are looking for the right relationship but in the meantime find it easier to have their needs met by a pro.

I guess my views on it all comes down to the honesty of the people involved. Dishonesty on either side puts either one on the same low level.



Level -> RE: Why Just Pros? (6/17/2010 4:47:00 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyPact


So, why aren't the clients held up to the same kind of scrutiny?  Why aren't the same kind of slurs thrown about for those paying for the session as those who are receiving payment?



Good topic, LP.

Neither side should be slammed. If needs are being met on both ends, then good for them.

But, as someone else said, some will take any chance to slam a woman doing this sort of thing, along the same lines as pro-sex work. She's a "whore", while the client is just some poor goofball, or so they seem to see it.



allthatjaz -> RE: Why Just Pros? (6/17/2010 4:55:12 AM)

Actually I think that most bad pro Dommes drop off that first strut of the ladder very quickly. Theres lots and lots of have a go 'pro Dommes' They wake up one morning, do a quick calculation of how much they can earn and stupidly believe they are going to get rich. The reality is, they work long hours typing gibberish to what they hope will become clients on places like CM but nobody ever turns up and no money is ever exchanged. They eventually become disalussioned, even angry and resentful and then they bugger off.
The above women are of no threat to practicing pro Dommes.
We then get the Domme who sets something up and even have the brains to have a website made. Clients start to seep in but she's not really sure what to do with them. She hopes he doesn't notice her clock watching but this hourly session seems like days! She hates every moment of it and as soon as he's gone she rushes out with her wad of cash and pisses it up a wall. The client never comes back because he can see her for what she is.
Then we have the business woman. The woman that sits down and makes a business plan on how she can do this for a living. She gets herself trained by some reputable Mistress. She sets up her dungeon with careful precision, Stocks her wardrobe with appropriate outfits. She efficiently runs her website and answers or makes sure someone can answer every call on her now busy phone. She forms a system so that appointments are kept, doesn't rush them out of the door when the clock strikes the hour. Remembers their name and kink when they come back. Gives them what they have paid her for efficiently and professionally. These women are not worried about all the new girls on the block. They really aren't a threat!
This woman doesn't care what is said about her profession. She is a professional, she works hard, earns good money and doesn't have a conscience about the morals of it.



AQuietSimpleMan -> RE: Why Just Pros? (6/17/2010 5:30:03 AM)


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ORIGINAL: allthatjaz

Actually I think that most bad pro Dommes drop off that first strut of the ladder very quickly. Theres lots and lots of have a go 'pro Dommes' They wake up one morning, do a quick calculation of how much they can earn and stupidly believe they are going to get rich. The reality is, they work long hours typing gibberish to what they hope will become clients on places like CM but nobody ever turns up and no money is ever exchanged. They eventually become disalussioned, even angry and resentful and then they bugger off.
The above women are of no threat to practicing pro Dommes.
We then get the Domme who sets something up and even have the brains to have a website made. Clients start to seep in but she's not really sure what to do with them. She hopes he doesn't notice her clock watching but this hourly session seems like days! She hates every moment of it and as soon as he's gone she rushes out with her wad of cash and pisses it up a wall. The client never comes back because he can see her for what she is.
Then we have the business woman. The woman that sits down and makes a business plan on how she can do this for a living. She gets herself trained by some reputable Mistress. She sets up her dungeon with careful precision, Stocks her wardrobe with appropriate outfits. She efficiently runs her website and answers or makes sure someone can answer every call on her now busy phone. She forms a system so that appointments are kept, doesn't rush them out of the door when the clock strikes the hour. Remembers their name and kink when they come back. Gives them what they have paid her for efficiently and professionally. These women are not worried about all the new girls on the block. They really aren't a threat!
This woman doesn't care what is said about her profession. She is a professional, she works hard, earns good money and doesn't have a conscience about the morals of it.



Yeah, This.

This is what I am talking about.

QSM



DarkSteven -> RE: Why Just Pros? (6/17/2010 5:36:28 AM)

Let's use the McDonalds analogy.  There is a lot of pressure on them to supply healthier foods.  But the fact is that they simply supply what the market wants.  The unhealthy food is brought about because of the buyers, who I consider ultimately responsible.

Pro Dommes exist because clients have needs and are willing to pay for them (or alternatively, to make posts complaining about how they can't get their fetishes satisfied for free).

It might be familiarity.  I have seen several pro Dommes post here, and I respect them.  I have not seen any sub men post here whom I respect except for a few lifestyle subs like Peon and kal, etc.  Most of the sub men are whiners, just making a single post to complain about something they don't like about the femdom reality, and I may have developed a bias against them as a result.

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Steven,

I'm glad you spoke up.  To be frank, I didn't think the thread would produce anyone with that particular opinion.  Could I talk you into expanding on that a bit?
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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

Maybe I've got this thing all wrong. I have no issues with women who choose to charge, but look down on the men who are so driven by unmet fetishes that they need to pay.




xxblushesxx -> RE: Why Just Pros? (6/17/2010 5:40:04 AM)

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ORIGINAL: wittynamehere

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
...people's personal opinions of pro dommes... why aren't the clients held up to the same kind of scrutiny?

Are you asking people to be more critical of submissives who are willing to pay for beatings etc?



FR: I believe she's doing just the opposite. She's saying if there is acceptance for the subs why not more acceptance for the pro's. (at least that what I *think* she's saying)



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