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ORIGINAL: chicagosub4u

I think being a pro domme sounds great. I get to set my own schedule, hand select my clients and get my frustration out to boot.

A recent thread spoke of a man who had a relationship with a pro domme that was strctly online. She had to do nothing but provide him assignments and deadlines. He accomplished the tasks and met the deadlines. Having a few virtual slaves and a few real time ones would allow me to accomplish much more in any given day. Plus, I would never have to pick up my dry cleaning again.

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ORIGINAL: chicagosub4u

I think being a pro domme sounds great. I get to set my own schedule, hand select my clients and get my frustration out to boot.

A recent thread spoke of a man who had a relationship with a pro domme that was strctly online. She had to do nothing but provide him assignments and deadlines. He accomplished the tasks and met the deadlines. Having a few virtual slaves and a few real time ones would allow me to accomplish much more in any given day. Plus, I would never have to pick up my dry cleaning again.

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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus


And for those of you who are playing the "not real domination" harp, yeah whatever. Pro domination is the business of fantasy fulfillment. How many "real submissives" do you think I saw?

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ORIGINAL: domiguy
Pro dommes and prostitutes are not doctors, plumbers or building contractors.

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Others say they have some sort of respect for hookers and prostitutes. I have none. Zero. Zilch.

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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus


And for those of you who are playing the "not real domination" harp, yeah whatever. Pro domination is the business of fantasy fulfillment. How many "real submissives" do you think I saw?

Almost none?

That's kinda my point.

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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

I am guessing that you are being facetious, but truly, this bit of silly thinking is what drives so many of those 20 yr old "Pros" that have ads on the other side.

It's a difficult, interesting, and marginally profitable business, if you run it in such a way that you won't get utterly burned out. I've never done phone work, it sounds tempting the way Chrissy describes it, but good phone work takes lots of energy too.

And for those of you who are playing the "not real domination" harp, yeah whatever. Pro domination is the business of fantasy fulfillment. How many "real submissives" do you think I saw?

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ORIGINAL: LadyNTrainer

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ORIGINAL: domiguy
Pro dommes and prostitutes are not doctors, plumbers or building contractors.

Actually, some of them are.  I'm not the only pro who moonlights.  There are pro dommes who can be addressed as Doctor, and I mean in a vanilla professional/academic context, not in a kinky medical scene.

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Others say they have some sort of respect for hookers and prostitutes. I have none. Zero. Zilch.

That would, alas, say more about you than about sex workers as a group. 

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Lets reward someone because they were lucky enough to be born with some holes some sort of a genetic predisposition towards attraction that people find to be palatable.

Let's applaud the dumbfucks, let's praise those who have done nothing to better themselves. Let's cheer on those that sell their holes.

If you truly believe that what a professional dominant does is to simply give men access to her holes, and that she has no skills, it is clearly time for the good folks of CM to take up a collection for the Send Domiguy To A Pro Dom Fund.   It is my fond hope that the results should look like this.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuCweSnSQ6w&feature=related 

So who's in?  [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]

Srsly.  If you have no skills, you have no f'n business taking a submissive's health and safety in your hands, certainly not professionally. Though there do seem to be plenty of folks in every industry who care more about taking clients for all they can get than about ethically meeting a good standard of qualification to practice in their field.  You can find some very unprofessional professionals in the adult industry specifically because we do not have certifying organizations or boards of ethics, so the situation is definitely caveat emptor in the unregulated market. 

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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

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I tend to look at both the same way, but that "view" can vary. It seems that often around here, there are a few who claim to be "pros" at 18, 19 or so, give or take a couple years. To me, it is unlikely that they have had the life experience to become "pro" at such a young age and tend to fall into the category that AQSM described, essentially money whores without a clue looking for an easy way to get some guy to pay the bills. Then there are those who are older and more experienced and it is a job. Again, as AQSM described, like the difference between a street hooker and a high priced call girl. Then of course there are those who don't claim to be "pros" but are all about the guy giving "tribute."

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For the men, variables apply as well. I'm sure a large number of men who are using pros of any kind do so because they are married and seeking to satisfy a need outside their marriage. If they are doing this secretly, I don't approve and think they are scum, plain and simple. Not interested in their reasoning for going behind their wife's back, doesn't matter. They are cheating. Granted, because they aren't doing it to me, it is in that whole "your kink, not mine" kind of thing, but I personally wouldn't want anything to do with them. I understand a respectable pro taking them on as a client, after all, for them it is a job, not a relationship.

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On the other hand, if a married man uses a pro to have his needs met and his wife has consented, I see nothing wrong with it, in fact, I think for many this is better for their primary relationship than if they got "involved" with someone else in a secondary relationship. I mean no offense to the great number of people here who DO have these secondary relationships and all the spouses are involved. That works great for them and that's fine as well. I just think it would be easier to simply have their submissive needs met outside the marriage without the ongoing demands of a Mistress.

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I can see single men using reputable pros because they have the needs but aren't looking for a full time relationship of that type for whatever reason, or they are looking for the right relationship but in the meantime find it easier to have their needs met by a pro.

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I guess my views on it all comes down to the honesty of the people involved. Dishonesty on either side puts either one on the same low level.

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ORIGINAL: Level
Good topic, LP.

Neither side should be slammed. If needs are being met on both ends, then good for them.

But, as someone else said, some will take any chance to slam a woman doing this sort of thing, along the same lines as pro-sex work. She's a "whore", while the client is just some poor goofball, or so they seem to see it.

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

Let's use the McDonalds analogy.  There is a lot of pressure on them to supply healthier foods.  But the fact is that they simply supply what the market wants.  The unhealthy food is brought about because of the buyers, who I consider ultimately responsible.

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Pro Dommes exist because clients have needs and are willing to pay for them (or alternatively, to make posts complaining about how they can't get their fetishes satisfied for free).

It might be familiarity.  I have seen several pro Dommes post here, and I respect them.  I have not seen any sub men post here whom I respect except for a few lifestyle subs like Peon and kal, etc.  Most of the sub men are whiners, just making a single post to complain about something they don't like about the femdom reality, and I may have developed a bias against them as a result.

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ORIGINAL: domiguy
They have virtually no skills whatsoever. They are people that usually through great fault of their own have decided to rely on the lowest common denominator of human capabilities to eek out a living.

Others say they have some sort of respect for hookers and prostitutes. I have none. Zero. Zilch.

Lets reward someone because they were lucky enough to be born with some holes some sort of a genetic predisposition towards attraction that people find to be palatable.

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy
Basically the common male complaint is the abundance of business advertising on a "personals" website.

So to make this apples to apples --- the sub would have to offer a "lifestyle" Domme money for a scene, and then in theory she might get mad or feel used that she was bought or expected to sell herself.

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Its hard to imagine a vanilla dating site wherein -- say -- a high percentage of the female registrants were advertising escort services.

Lastly your post does not identify what's actually in play. Men aren't mad at professional Dommes, rather they are frustrated by the lack of lifestyle women out there who share their kink. Basically its a bad game of musical chairs, and Pro Domme's are exhibit A that there are only about three seats for every ten (10) men.

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Think about people in general. They can blame themselves for a bad situation OR they can blame / scapegoat someone else.

So back to your OP, let's blame the subs with fat wallets for the Pro Dommes...... without them -- there would be no professional domination AT ALL! Those fucking rich wankers have TO GO!! RIGHT NOW. GET OFF THE CM WEBSITE AND STAY OFF!

P.S. This is not a very serious post.

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ORIGINAL: DomImus
I think you do a disservice to the very good point you are making by painting it along gender lines. There is a double standard - one standard for the seller and another for the buyer. On one hand I see it as you do -  a business transaction. If A is willing to beat B for a price and B is willing to pay A for said beating and agrees to the price then their business is between the two of them. I strongly dislike telling other people what services they can sell or how to spend their money.

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On the other hand... ever seen that show on HBO called "G String Divas"? A behind the scenes glimpse of the stripper industry. Watching those strippers do their thing on stage for a wad of singles only to watch them go back in the dressing room to count their money and mock and insult their clients was thoroughly disgusting to watch. That whole mentality is why I support their right to their business ventures but still have a pretty dim view of them overall. What a stripper sells and what a pro domme sells are not too terribly different if you think about it.

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Do it with someone you want to do it with for free. Once you start doing it with someone who you wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole if they weren't paying for it then it puts everything into an entirely different light.

My two cents.

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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

While I am not a vitriolic as my hop-bonded brother. I maintain  Pro "Domme" is a misnomer.

It is business, it is not domination.

To suggest it is more pure than any other business is silly.

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
(In reply to allthatjazz)

That's very, very sad.  Speaking of putting oneself in another man's shoes: older generations of men will have had the fantasy of D/s for much of their lives without having more than the slimmest of chances of making it reality.  Until the 1970s, the same was true even of gay men, at least in the UK.  How unbelievably miserable.

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact
So, why aren't the clients held up to the same kind of scrutiny?  Why aren't the same kind of slurs thrown about for those paying for the session as those who are receiving payment?