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RE: Why do people think it's ok to strawman an atheist? - 6/22/2010 11:01:05 AM

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our logic falls apart because you believe that anyone can redefine the terms to fit their own belief system. That isn't how it works. You can't redefine what a Christian is and then claim to be one. Language would have no meaning at all if everyone did that.

You do realize that new religions come into being all the time.... many of them looking to Jesus for inspiration....

You have made a couple of faulty generalizations about Christianity on this thread already. I would suggest that you educate yourself on the width and breath of these belief systems before dismissing them.... it undercuts your positions...

Unless you do not care to learn about them, and if that is the case it would be best if you didn't debate about the topic

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RE: Why do people think it's ok to strawman an atheist? - 6/22/2010 11:02:13 AM

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Faith is belief in something for which one has no evidence. Faith is one type of belief. I believe that my close friends will be there when I need them. This is a reasonable and rational belief based on past behavior. I don't have the same expectations of a stranger. That would be faith. Reasonable, thinking people don't rely on faith to draw conclusions about things. The people who claim that they have faith in their marriages, spouses, children, employment, etc, are misusing the word, or either they are in extremely precarious situations by their own choice.

So the faith i have when i walk into a room and know that i can perform the duty of delivering a baby or start an IV isnt faith? I dont think about "do i know" i have accepted and have faith in my abilities.

You are once again using a limited definition of the term.

The definitions you supplied support my claim, not yours. If you have successfully delivered a baby in the past, possibly multiple times, then you are not operating on faith (which means you have no evidence). Your conviction that you can do it again is reasoned belief.

Including this one?

Faith as underlying rationality: In this view, all human knowledge and reason is seen as dependent on faith: faith in our senses, faith in our reason, faith in our memories, and faith in the accounts of events we receive from others. Accordingly, faith is seen as essential to and inseparable from rationality. According to René Descartes, rationality is built first upon the realization of the absolute truth "I think therefore I am", which requires no faith. All other rationalizations are built outward from this realization, and are subject to falsification at any time with the arrival of new evidence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith_and_rationality

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RE: Why do people think it's ok to strawman an atheist? - 6/22/2010 11:06:59 AM

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A christian atheist denies the existence of god but follows the teachings of Jesus. Do i agree? Doesnt matter. Its what they believe. Just as you believe what it is you believe when you state you are an atheist. You will notice no where in any post have i said you were wrong in your beliefs... only that you have some.

So, please, do continue to twist and turn this. Denounce that others have the right to believe as they wish while you insist you have the right to your own.

~Edited in an attempt to clarify

No, I am an Atheist because my beliefs are aligned with the definition of Atheism. I also subscribe to the Judeo-Christian ethic and admire Christ as a great philosopher. I am not a Christian because I do not fit the definition of a Christian. Your logic falls apart because you believe that anyone can redefine the terms to fit their own belief system. That isn't how it works. You can't redefine what a Christian is and then claim to be one. Language would have no meaning at all if everyone did that.

ETA: No where have I claimed that people are not entitled to their beliefs. I have only claimed to take exception to how people use terms that define their beliefs. Words mean something.

And the definition of Christianity is someone who follows the teachings of Jesus. So i dont see how a Christian atheist is not a compatible belief. Just as there are jews who follow the faith, there are jews who do not, and are jews simply by heritage. One can follow the teachings of Jesus and not believe in a god, and still consider themselves as Christians.

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RE: Why do people think it's ok to strawman an atheist? - 6/22/2010 11:07:21 AM

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Jesus was 33 when he died. This thread is now 34 pages long.

Think about it.

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RE: Why do people think it's ok to strawman an atheist? - 6/22/2010 11:07:49 AM

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Your teaching methods are failing. That could be my fault......

This is something I have 100% faith in....I would worship this. I would build idols to glorify it...I would sacrifice millions in the pursuit of this truth. I would travel the Earth to spread this message.

I know I could get to the promised afterlife by accepting this belief as my one true redeemer.

St Peter: Tell me Domi why do you deserve a pass into heaven?

Domiguy: Well Petey, before I died I accepted the belief that Tazzy was at fault for virtually everything.

St Peter: Well, in you go!!...Watch out that first step is a dooozy!

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RE: Why do people think it's ok to strawman an atheist? - 6/22/2010 11:08:21 AM

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And i do not agree with your attempts to force me to see this another way. Im speaking of a definition used the world over. From sources far older than we, and yet you repeatedly tell me im wrong.

As far as you being nice, i dont see why you shouldnt be. No one is demeaning you, belittling you, or otherwise being anything but nice back in return. Your teaching methods are failing. That could be my fault, that could just as easily be yours.

If you dont believe this is something worth persuing, why are you?

Well first I was pursuing it because I was trying to be helpful and end what seemed to be an unnecessarily long discussion about a relatively simple matter.

Then I started pursuing it because the sadist in me likes to see the look in people's eyes when they find out that there is no Santa Claus.

Now, I'm not pursuing it at all because I know that it is a waste of time.

Belief never came in to it.

~chuckles

I never believed in Santa. And i doubt you would see any wounded look in my eyes based upon anything you could post here.

But i do thank you for the exchange. It was... interesting.

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RE: Why do people think it's ok to strawman an atheist? - 6/22/2010 11:09:26 AM

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You're being pretty abusive but that's just too funny. :)

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RE: Why do people think it's ok to strawman an atheist? - 6/22/2010 11:09:34 AM

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Jesus was 33 when he died. This thread is now 34 pages long.

Think about it.

We shall be viewed as Gods once the holy electronic scrolls are unearthed thousands of years from now.

Anything at this point you would like to say to our followers?

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RE: Why do people think it's ok to strawman an atheist? - 6/22/2010 11:11:23 AM

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It is foolish to spend to much time in the Politics and Religion section of any forum.

Go forth and fuck.

This is the word of Jeffff

(all together now)

Praised be his Name.

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RE: Why do people think it's ok to strawman an atheist? - 6/22/2010 11:11:33 AM

tazzygirl

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ORIGINAL: Plasticine

You're being pretty abusive but that's just too funny. :)

Meet Domiguy. Thats his trademark, and something you may learn to overlook when he cant come up with anything intelligent to say.

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RE: Why do people think it's ok to strawman an atheist? - 6/22/2010 11:11:54 AM

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

~chuckles

I never believed in Santa. And i doubt you would see any wounded look in my eyes based upon anything you could post here.

But i do thank you for the exchange. It was... interesting.

Ok now I'm going to be abusive. It was INTERESTING?! No it wasn't you idiot it was a miserable exchange of you pointlessly masturbating.

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RE: Why do people think it's ok to strawman an atheist? - 6/22/2010 11:12:40 AM

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Sometimes I like to claim that I am a duckbilled platypus. It is the only animal that is both a marsupial and a mammal. I like the idea and would like to be one. Claiming to be one doesn't make it so.

I would have liked if you were a duckbilled platypus. I have always wanted to ask one why they do not have a pouch.

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Someone can claim to be anything they want, but that doesn't make it true if they don't fit the definition of that which they claim to be.

The very definition of Christian doctrine was determined by the Nicene Creed in about 300? 400? or so AD. The exceptions are statistically insignificant and fodder for academics. I'll bet that most of these non-Christians who are claiming to be one have never studied theology and never heard of the Council of Nicea. They know nothing of the history of the faith which they claim to adopt.

Christianity has evolved.

I am post-Christian myself. Our family was atheist. I do not have anything with the God of the Jews. Neither do I worship Abraham as the Abrahamic Jews and Muslims do. Nor their pagan god - though I meet with one of his avatars once a month; he keeps winning from me at a game we play; I won once only.

I deduced the existence of the Divine - which the Jews and Muslims falsely profess to worship - myself after five years of full-time theoretical research into cosmology and particle physics.

Christianity is in my blood. I would raise the children of other people. I would not murder my wife - if any - if she was adulterous, nor my daughter - if any - if she made love to someone whom she was not married to. I would not circumcise any of the male children that I was responsible for. I will accept death.

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RE: Why do people think it's ok to strawman an atheist? - 6/22/2010 11:17:41 AM

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ORIGINAL: Plasticine

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~chuckles

I never believed in Santa. And i doubt you would see any wounded look in my eyes based upon anything you could post here.

But i do thank you for the exchange. It was... interesting.

Ok now I'm going to be abusive. It was INTERESTING?! No it wasn't you idiot it was a miserable exchange of you pointlessly masturbating.

Aw but you enjoy masturbating.

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RE: Why do people think it's ok to strawman an atheist? - 6/22/2010 11:21:14 AM

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Don't give a smile to people who think you are dense...there is nothing cute about you.

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RE: Why do people think it's ok to strawman an atheist? - 6/22/2010 11:21:31 AM

tazzygirl

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~ FR

And this is how it ends. Trying to have an intelligent discussion on basic terminology has resulted in revealing fears of some and closed mindness of others who have posted their atheistic leanings.

So i leave you all to enjoy your mental belief in your superiority, which must really feel like a hot knife in your flesh considering you dont have beliefs... even in yourseves. Which, again, is a sad state of existence, imho.

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RE: Why do people think it's ok to strawman an atheist? - 6/22/2010 11:22:22 AM

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Ok now I'm going to be abusive. It was INTERESTING?! No it wasn't you idiot it was a miserable exchange of you pointlessly masturbating.

Aw but you enjoy masturbating.

You know what, that wasn't a joke. You are an inconsiderate asshole. People are trying to take the time to answer your "innocent questions" and its just an attention whore game to you. You don't qualify for the information I offered you, no wonder you couldn't accept it.

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RE: Why do people think it's ok to strawman an atheist? - 6/22/2010 11:22:35 AM

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Don't give a smile to people who think you are dense...there is nothing cute about you.

Your belief in my intelligence of lack of has no weight with me, domiguy. and i am incredibly cute. your just too pissed to see it.

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RE: Why do people think it's ok to strawman an atheist? - 6/22/2010 11:24:41 AM

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ORIGINAL: Plasticine

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Ok now I'm going to be abusive. It was INTERESTING?! No it wasn't you idiot it was a miserable exchange of you pointlessly masturbating.

Aw but you enjoy masturbating.

You know what, that wasn't a joke. You are an inconsiderate asshole. People are trying to take the time to answer your "innocent questions" and its just an attention whore game to you. You don't qualify for the information I offered you, no wonder you couldn't accept it.

Attention whore? Look little boy, just who the fuck do you think you are. no one gives a damn about your attention seeking game you are playing now. You are pissed because i have stood my ground and answered every question tossed at me by a bunch of people i really tried to get to understand, and instead all i got was flippant remarks and snide comments.

Congrats, you have proven just what the rest of those who post in favor of religion already believe... atheists are a bunch of self centered, attention seeking, narrow minded bigots.

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RE: Why do people think it's ok to strawman an atheist? - 6/22/2010 11:26:25 AM

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ORIGINAL: Plasticine

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Ok now I'm going to be abusive. It was INTERESTING?! No it wasn't you idiot it was a miserable exchange of you pointlessly masturbating.

Aw but you enjoy masturbating.

You know what, that wasn't a joke. You are an inconsiderate asshole. People are trying to take the time to answer your "innocent questions" and its just an attention whore game to you. You don't qualify for the information I offered you, no wonder you couldn't accept it.

bahahaha....it took him 61 posts to get there....way to go, welcome to the forums!

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RE: Why do people think it's ok to strawman an atheist? - 6/22/2010 11:27:24 AM

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ORIGINAL: Plasticine

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ORIGINAL: Plasticine

Ok now I'm going to be abusive. It was INTERESTING?! No it wasn't you idiot it was a miserable exchange of you pointlessly masturbating.

Aw but you enjoy masturbating.

You know what, that wasn't a joke. You are an inconsiderate asshole. People are trying to take the time to answer your "innocent questions" and its just an attention whore game to you. You don't qualify for the information I offered you, no wonder you couldn't accept it.

Your "information" was horseshit. You did nothing but squirm around like a cold and dying sperm on someone's ass cheek.

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