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LadyCimarron -> RE: Why do people think it's ok to strawman an atheist? (6/29/2010 6:26:28 PM)

BTW- just for refernce I can follow the teachings of Jesus without being a Christian. I can be a Christian without even knowing the teachings of Jesus.
 
I can believe in God without even believing in Jesus.
 
 I can keep these statements going ........but thankfully I won't.



marie2 -> RE: Why do people think it's ok to strawman an atheist? (6/29/2010 6:44:40 PM)

Steel....What is your point? Are you arguing that dictionary definitions are legitimate? Or that we should just make up whatever we want these terms to mean to us individually?




GotSteel -> RE: Why do people think it's ok to strawman an atheist? (6/29/2010 6:51:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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I don't think that's the case, I'm under the impression that what happens in the brain is substantially different.


Steel, i cant help what you believe, which is what you just stated... that you dont believe that is the case. That is, of course, your belief.

No, I said that I was under the impression and I am because of the findings of a functional MRI study: http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0007272#

"A comparison of both stimulus categories suggests that religious thinking is more associated with brain regions that govern emotion, self-representation, and cognitive conflict, while thinking about ordinary facts is more reliant upon memory retrieval networks."




seekingOwnertoo -> RE: Why do people think it's ok to strawman an atheist? (6/29/2010 6:56:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

But you left out the one that forms the majority of atheists positions:

There is no evidence of god.

No need for "belief"



On this point, I will agree. There is no evidence of the person we refer to as God ... that you know of.

And it is the stuff ... college classes ... involve in debate.

But, as I posted a couple a months ago, on a similar thread, started by Lady Angelika ...

The person, we refer to as God ...

Is totally aware of the: atheist ... religious ... as well as righteous beliefs ... and all the arguements ... that permeate our world.

Anticipate a reaction ... but not the one ... anyone ever expected ... or dreamed possible ... just know it is coming ...

And that ... a lot of peoples positions ... will become ... Disoriented ...



marie2 -> RE: Why do people think it's ok to strawman an atheist? (6/29/2010 7:02:03 PM)

Share the acid, man.



GotSteel -> RE: Why do people think it's ok to strawman an atheist? (6/29/2010 7:14:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: marie2
Steel....What is your point? Are you arguing that dictionary definitions are legitimate? Or that we should just make up whatever we want these terms to mean to us individually?

Christianity has tens of thousands of different labels for positions and even with all those options Christians can't be correctly pigeonholed by their labels. We on the other hand have a handful of labels to pick from, several of which were created by theists. Which one correctly fits me?



LadyCimarron -> RE: Why do people think it's ok to strawman an atheist? (6/29/2010 7:18:33 PM)

I
quote:

ORIGINAL: GotSteel

quote:

ORIGINAL: marie2
Steel....What is your point? Are you arguing that dictionary definitions are legitimate? Or that we should just make up whatever we want these terms to mean to us individually?

Christianity has tens of thousands of different labels for positions and even with all those options Christians can't be correctly pigeonholed by their labels. We on the other hand have a handful of labels to pick from, several of which were created by theists. Which one correctly fits me?



The one that correctly fits you is the one you choose. If none of them work for you, make up one for yourself.

btw- why would you want to pigeonhole someone about their beliefs?



GotSteel -> RE: Why do people think it's ok to strawman an atheist? (6/29/2010 7:24:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: seekingOwnertoo
The person, we refer to as God ...

What does this thread have to do with Chuck Norris?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_%28disambiguation%29#People_nicknamed_.22God.22



marie2 -> RE: Why do people think it's ok to strawman an atheist? (6/29/2010 7:49:16 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: GotSteel

quote:

ORIGINAL: marie2
Steel....What is your point? Are you arguing that dictionary definitions are legitimate? Or that we should just make up whatever we want these terms to mean to us individually?

Christianity has tens of thousands of different labels for positions and even with all those options Christians can't be correctly pigeonholed by their labels. We on the other hand have a handful of labels to pick from, several of which were created by theists. Which one correctly fits me?



But this is about being an atheist. There is only one definition for the word. That's what I'm not getting here in all these pages. Ok, so you don't see it as a disbelief or a belief. You see it as a thought or an opinion, or a doubt or whatever. So what is the real beef here at this point?

I'm not coming down on you, I just don't get it anymore. It seems to come down to a agree to disagree kinda thing with the debating of all the definitions of belief and faith, but is there a debate on what an atheist is too?



seekingOwnertoo -> RE: Why do people think it's ok to strawman an atheist? (6/29/2010 8:12:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: marie2

Share the acid, man.




He'll take you up, he'll bring you down,
He'll plant your feet back on the ground.
He'll fly so high, he'll swoop so low.
Timothy Leary.

He'll fly his astral plane.
He'll take you trips around the bay.
He'll bring you back the same day.
Timothy Leary. Timothy Leary.
Timothy Leary. Timothy Leary.
Timothy Leary.

lyrics: by the moody blues



GotSteel -> RE: Why do people think it's ok to strawman an atheist? (6/29/2010 8:14:18 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyCimarron
The one that correctly fits you is the one you choose. If none of them work for you, make up one for yourself.

You can't call yourself an agnostic because I found a definition that says you aren't, so what label have you made up for yourself?




LadyCimarron -> RE: Why do people think it's ok to strawman an atheist? (6/29/2010 8:26:31 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: GotSteel

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyCimarron
The one that correctly fits you is the one you choose. If none of them work for you, make up one for yourself.

You can't call yourself an agnostic because I found a definition that says you aren't, so what label have you made up for yourself?



Actually I can call myself anything I want to no matter what definition you found.
 
However; my personal label I made up for myself is: Jesusist.
 It means I see Him as my example and try to live my life in a way that I think would have matched his precepts for a moral life. Of course its not in the dictionary (at least not yet) and most conservative Christians would probably have me burned at the stake if I expounded all of  my heretical beliefs to them. And since its a made up word, most people don't understand it so I seldom use it in general audiences. I only brought it up now because you asked.
 
Its been really nice discussing all of this with you. Enlightening even.  Thank you so much.[:)]

 



marie2 -> RE: Why do people think it's ok to strawman an atheist? (6/29/2010 8:27:27 PM)

Do you view yourself as an atheist, Steel? Or as something that there isn't necessarily a word for?



GotSteel -> RE: Why do people think it's ok to strawman an atheist? (6/29/2010 8:42:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: marie2
But this is about being an atheist. There is only one definition for the word.

False:

http://www.leoyan.com/century-dictionary.com/cent2jpgframes.php?volno=01&page=0362
Atheism according to century dictionary has the following definitions:
  • The doctrine that there is no God; denial of the existence of God.
  • The denial of theism, that is, of the doctrine that the great first cause is a supreme, intelligent, righteous person.
  • A practical indifference to and disregard of God; godlessness. [In the first sense above given, atheism is to be discriminated from pantheism, which denies the personality of God, and from agnosticism, which denies the possibility of positive knowledge concerning him. In the second sense, atheism includes both pantheism and agnosticism.
    http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/atheism?rdfrom=Atheism
    Noun Singular
    atheism
    Plural
    atheisms atheism (plural atheisms)
    1. Absence of, or rejection of, belief in the existence of a god or gods.
    2. The stance that a deity or deities do not exist.

    http://www.yourdictionary.com/atheism

    athe·ism (ā′t̸hē iz′əm)noun
  • the belief that there is no God, or denial that God or gods exist
  • godlessness
    http://www.ultralingua.com/onlinedictionary/index.html?service=ee&text=

    atheism n. ['eɪθiːˌɪzəm]
  • 1. A lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.
  • 2. The doctrine or belief that there is no God; Synonyms: godlessness. Etymology Cf. French athéisme. Related to Atheist.


    http://www.rhymezone.com/r/rhyme.cgi?Word=atheism
    • noun:   a lack of belief in the existence of God or gods
    • noun:   the doctrine or belief that there is no God

    http://www.iep.utm.edu/atheism/
    Atheism The term “atheist” describes a person who does not believe that God or a divine being exists.  Worldwide there may be as many as a billion atheists, although social stigma, political pressure, and intolerance make accurate polling difficult. For the most part, atheists have presumed that the most reasonable conclusions are the ones that have the best evidential support.... 




    • GotSteel -> RE: Why do people think it's ok to strawman an atheist? (6/29/2010 8:47:14 PM)

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: LadyCimarron
    Actually I can call myself anything I want to no matter what definition you found.

    Then shouldn't I be allowed to do the same?



    GotSteel -> RE: Why do people think it's ok to strawman an atheist? (6/29/2010 8:48:20 PM)

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: marie2
    Ok, so you don't see it as a disbelief or a belief. You see it as a thought or an opinion, or a doubt or whatever. So what is the real beef here at this point?


    I've defined my position multiple times in this thread and in other threads and not only do people I'm talking to in the thread not know what it is, they keep telling me that it's something else. It's not like my position is unique, it's quite common among atheists.



    seekingOwnertoo -> RE: Why do people think it's ok to strawman an atheist? (6/29/2010 8:54:20 PM)


    quote:

    ORIGINAL: GotSteel

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: LadyCimarron
    Actually I can call myself anything I want to no matter what definition you found.

    Then shouldn't I be allowed to do the same?



    Yes, you should be able to call yourself anything you like ....

    then too ...

    quote:

    *The earth is flat and sits immovable upon pillars. Isaiah 40:22 KJV, 1 Samuel 2:8 KJV, Psalm 93:1 KJV
    *Unicorns are real. Job 39:9-12 KJV
    *You need to murder everyone in town and their livestock if a single person in the town isn't Christian. Deuteronomy 13:13-19 KJV


    This sounds like you have been into my acid!


    [sm=anger.gif]



    LadyCimarron -> RE: Why do people think it's ok to strawman an atheist? (6/29/2010 9:10:41 PM)

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: GotSteel

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: LadyCimarron
    Actually I can call myself anything I want to no matter what definition you found.

    Then shouldn't I be allowed to do the same?



    Hell yes. That's what I've been trying to tell you. Glad it finally sunk in.[;)]



    marie2 -> RE: Why do people think it's ok to strawman an atheist? (6/29/2010 9:12:06 PM)


    quote:

    ORIGINAL: GotSteel

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: marie2
    Ok, so you don't see it as a disbelief or a belief. You see it as a thought or an opinion, or a doubt or whatever. So what is the real beef here at this point?


    I've defined my position multiple times in this thread and in other threads and not only do people I'm talking to in the thread not know what it is, they keep telling me that it's something else. It's not like my position is unique, it's quite common among atheists.



    What is an atheist in your view?



    LadyCimarron -> RE: Why do people think it's ok to strawman an atheist? (6/29/2010 9:16:32 PM)

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: GotSteel

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: marie2
    Ok, so you don't see it as a disbelief or a belief. You see it as a thought or an opinion, or a doubt or whatever. So what is the real beef here at this point?


    I've defined my position multiple times in this thread and in other threads and not only do people I'm talking to in the thread not know what it is, they keep telling me that it's something else. It's not like my position is unique, it's quite common among atheists.


    Damn. I hate it when people do that. I would just end the discussion with people who I think are trying to do that to me.



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