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HisSub1213 -> RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm (6/22/2010 1:56:16 PM)

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OP, I can be a total smart ass and extremely sarcastic. I can even be a a playful brat at times. That being said my partner, my Daddy, loves that in me. He finds me extremely submissive towards HIM. I know where that line lies with him. When dealing with forums he pretty much allows me to express myself openly and honestly. He loves that I can think for myself and have no issue expressing myself. Simply because I am submissive to him and give into his will doesn't mean I am going to give into the will of every tom, dick and harry online or real life.


This describes us to a tee. I have a very dry sense of humor which some take a bratty. But he likes that I can "hold my own" as he puts it. We joke, laugh and have a good time. If I go over the line, that "Look" tells me I've gone too far and I back down. But by and large its not an issue.

Edited to add: There are two kinds of "playfulness(brattiness)" deterimined by where we are and what's going on at the time. Out in public things are much different, but at home, when no one's around, well... let's just say I get more latitude.




DesFIP -> RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm (6/22/2010 2:11:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SirsJewel
i meant exactly what i said, a slave acting very un-slavelike in general manner


And some of us aren't allowed to submit to anyone except our One. He would take it amiss if I, like you, submitted generally to the whole world, to anyone who asked.

I also don't go around having sex willy nilly with anyone who asks either. Obviously I'm a bad sub for keeping that, and my submissiveness for him and him alone.




xxblushesxx -> RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm (6/22/2010 3:18:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: sirsholly
I must be slipping in my old age[:)]



This is what's known as irony...

right?

right?

[:-][&:] 




tazzygirl -> RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm (6/22/2010 9:56:21 PM)

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i meant exactly what i said, a slave acting very un-slavelike in general manner,but i can certainly see me a slave being highly annoyed at your lack of a better time then to comment on a quote on such a small part of the comment.


Im sorry. I must have missed that part in the slave manual... the section on appropriate slave behavior seems to be missing from mine.

Care to enlighten me on what im missing?




VaguelyCurious -> RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm (6/23/2010 12:50:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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i meant exactly what i said, a slave acting very un-slavelike in general manner,but i can certainly see me a slave being highly annoyed at your lack of a better time then to comment on a quote on such a small part of the comment.


Im sorry. I must have missed that part in the slave manual... the section on appropriate slave behavior seems to be missing from mine.

Care to enlighten me on what im missing?
In order to be certified, you have to send me two gash shots-one I laminate for your True Slave ID card and the other I keep for....records....[image]http://www.collarchat.com/image/s3.gif[/image][8D][8D][8D][8D][8D]

OP: I *love* sarcasm. I consider making me laugh a vital part of service-if a sub has no sense of humour (or is unwilling to risk displaying it because it's not 'subly enough' or whatever) I'm not interested in them. I love to laugh, I love the people around me to laugh, and sarcasm makes me (and others) laugh-therefore I love sarcasm.

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ORIGINAL: daddysprop247

those who walk around pouting, protesting, whining, and being insanely disrespectful to their own Dominant are seen as "fun" and "playful," whereas my quiet deference and obedience is seen as strange and dull.


daddysprop: I'm sure you're lovely, but in all honesty I probably would find your quiet deference and obedience in a scene setting to be deadly dull, because on the whole I don't much enjoy deferential people. There is no reason this should matter to you-if your M does then that's all that is important-but I would point out that being sparky and sarky isn't necessarily being disrespectful to a D-only disrespectful in your eyes. Your M wouldn't like it? Fine, you don't do it. Doesn't mean *anybody* else considers sarcasm/brattiness disrespectful.

For me, I know that I can shut it off without having to say a word, if I want to. That knowledge means that I don't feel I have to shut it down-I can enjoy the sharp wit and the sarcasm with full knowledge that in the unlikely event I get fed up or she goes too far I can stop it in an instant.

So around me it never gets to a stage I'd consider disrespectful...




tazzygirl -> RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm (6/23/2010 4:31:08 AM)

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In order to be certified, you have to send me two gash shots-one I laminate for your True Slave ID card and the other I keep for....records....


Ah, gash shots! Got it and mailing it now!

thank god she didnt say my own gash shots




SimplyMichael -> RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm (6/23/2010 7:39:25 AM)


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ORIGINAL: daddysprop247

that is harsh truth that many will deny, but it is truth nonetheless. Jefff's comments about "strength requiring strength" bothered me so much because it is such a popular lifestyle myth that it takes a big bad "dom" to tame the wild, bratty, take-no-guff "sub." when the reality is that a strong Dominant man is not going to entertain such a "sub" at all. and it's been my observation over the years, on and offline, that many of those who are willing to entertain such subs do so because they are insecure in their dominance, they do not fully "own" it, so they need the constant affirmation which comes from the submission of a bratty-type. moreover, they are horrified at the level of responsibility and control required to actually dominate someone, as opposed to simply catering to the whims and desires of someone else. it is also not a sign of strength or dominance, imo, to desire to engage in battles of will and authority, or to feel the need to prove oneself to someone so they will bend to you.


Gee you make owning a doormat almost sound impressive but no thanks, I much prefer to be "insecure" and own a woman with a bit of fire and spirit.




BentUnit -> RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm (6/23/2010 7:44:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael


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ORIGINAL: daddysprop247

that is harsh truth that many will deny, but it is truth nonetheless. Jefff's comments about "strength requiring strength" bothered me so much because it is such a popular lifestyle myth that it takes a big bad "dom" to tame the wild, bratty, take-no-guff "sub." when the reality is that a strong Dominant man is not going to entertain such a "sub" at all. and it's been my observation over the years, on and offline, that many of those who are willing to entertain such subs do so because they are insecure in their dominance, they do not fully "own" it, so they need the constant affirmation which comes from the submission of a bratty-type. moreover, they are horrified at the level of responsibility and control required to actually dominate someone, as opposed to simply catering to the whims and desires of someone else. it is also not a sign of strength or dominance, imo, to desire to engage in battles of will and authority, or to feel the need to prove oneself to someone so they will bend to you.


Gee you make owning a doormat almost sound impressive but no thanks, I much prefer to be "insecure" and own a woman with a bit of fire and spirit.



Amen to that!




xxblushesxx -> RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm (6/23/2010 8:08:27 AM)

See, and this is how we come back to an "us" vs. "them".

I can see the beauty in a slave who is carefully obedient, quiet and sweet.

I can also see the beauty in a relationship that is a bit more...intense.

If you are getting what you want, then you've got what's right for you.




VaguelyCurious -> RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm (6/23/2010 8:38:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx

I can see the beauty in a slave who is carefully obedient, quiet and sweet.
For sure, but I can also imagine not particularly wanting to talk to them at parties-and I dislike the implication that anyone who isn't like that is automatically 'disrespectful' of their D.




leadership527 -> RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm (6/23/2010 8:44:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael
Gee you make owning a doormat almost sound impressive but no thanks, I much prefer to be "insecure" and own a woman with a bit of fire and spirit.

And I'll stick with my doormat. Ain't it grand that god made chocolate and vanilla?

Honestly, I've never fully understood the need to decide what is either "true" or even "better" except in relation to me and my personal tastes.




cassandria -> RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm (6/23/2010 9:19:27 AM)

There's cassie, who in her own natural skin, kinda sails through life as she goes. Generally happy, typically gravitating to those who make her think, make her giggle and pee her panties, who spice things up in their expressions of intellect and humour and overall living of life.

She tries to give back what she's given, loving to make people laugh (and if she can make a Dom/me pee their panties? Talk about success!) <---that might be considered disrespectful...I think I've heard the word "incorrigible" from time to time...but if I bring extra panties for them, then is it okay? Thinking ahead and all that. No? Okay. More tea?

Then there's cassie the chameleon. Who changes colours as she becomes aware that she is perhaps unpleasing in her demeanor....and slows down, pays close attention, and halts. And watches closely, tempering her usual 'spirit' and playfulness, becoming uber-respectful as she realizes what's needed.

If I'm really quiet, people tend to grow concerned. It's just not really part of my happy nature. Being more bubbly and teasing and playful is more common. I can be quiet and introspective too - life gets serious and I have to get serious with it. But in a social gathering I try to leave my issues at home. I really do.

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I was invited to 'come out of hiding' so to speak, and attend a party in Seattle a while ago. Bdsm partayyy. I got dolled up, and well, playtime seemed to be the right word for the night.
So, I laid down on the table like a good girl, lost my knickers and proceeded to discover why electrical shocks make girls like me jump. To be fair, I *did* warn him that the backs of my knees seem to have these reflexes. (read: kick). And he'd figured that out, after about half an hour and having to hold me down.

The next time he buzzed that...THING...over my calf, I guess my foot shot out, made contact with the glass attachment on the violet wand, it shattered against the concrete wall that the table was up against, and I sorta sat up in dazed amazement. WOWWWWW!!! A glass shower!!!!

He cracked up, we both did, and he promptly dropped to his knees onthe floor, broom in hand, sweeping up the glass while I was firmly told to "Stay put, minx!" .

I peeked down at him, and just...the irony....it really struck me. He was on the floor, on his knees...I was up on the table, up above him, minx-ily staying put. So I asked him. "Is this called "Topping from the bottom"??", and dissolved into giggles. Nervous ones, I'm sure...I'd never broken someone's toys before...and it was FUNNY...I mean, I coulda stepped on his bum from where I was, and considering the state of mind I was swiftly heading into, that just was allllll wrong lololol

He cracked up, so did a couple of the other people within earshot lol - we had an audience (maybe it was the "FUUUUCK NOOOOOOO!!! that had come from me earlier, I dunno, I didn't mean to be so loud. I blame that thing he was using).

He got up, still chuckling, tugged my hair, and told me to lay down so he could get the glass out of my foot and leg. I smirked, laying on my tummy, feeling all exposed and such, and asked him "I thought you said your limits were no bloodplay...is this what you had in mind???" And the chuckling started all over again, along with a firm smack to my tush.

Glass all gone, out came the canes, and cassie ate her words like nobody's business.

Brat? Only cuz it amused him. And I knew it would. I mean, it was a comical scene, to put it mildly. I giggled my way through the first half, screamed blue murder through the next part - and I do mean that - never have I ever screamed like that, holy chyt that was scary lol - I actually pulled muscles because of the speed in which I shot off that bed at times - and then took it like a good girl and sailed above the heavens for the rest of it. And snuggled in a sheet, wet and quiet afterwards. Exactly where he put me.

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Does that work with every dominant? No.

Does it work like that on every day, with this one? No.

Am I smart enough to pay attention to the moods of people, and 'play' with those moods? Yes.
~~~

I have, so far, lived a rather full life, I believe. With enough serious, character-building events within it that it's highly dubious that anyone would ever suggest that I don't posess a maturity that is expressed overall. I hope.

The way I write here, isn't necessarily how I would speak in person (I don't quite get the same intimidation vibes, yanno?), meaning I might not be quite so quick with strangers in person. And I think that's key..people getting to know YOU. Overall.

We all seem to have a different criteria for defining the actions that give us that peekaboo into the window of submission or dominance. Mine is simply that I believe you, if you say what you feel you are.










laurell3 -> RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm (6/23/2010 4:22:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: xxblushesxx

See, and this is how we come back to an "us" vs. "them".

I can see the beauty in a slave who is carefully obedient, quiet and sweet.

I can also see the beauty in a relationship that is a bit more...intense.

If you are getting what you want, then you've got what's right for you.



Yeah, really I totally agree. I mean come on ladies, the response to someone saying the old "subblier than thou" line isn't well I'm better because I'm the opposite of you. That makes you a hypocrite.

We're all different. On this thread we have everything from "doormat" to needing to be physically subdued to submit. Personally, I don't admire other subs for their style of submission, I admire them for being true to themselves in their expression of it. We really can all be what we are and revel in it without pointing fingers, can't we? Stop with the kneejerk reactions of assuming it means you're not as good, different isn't bad, it's different.




leadership527 -> RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm (6/23/2010 5:57:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: laurell3
Personally, I don't admire other subs for their style of submission, I admire them for being true to themselves in their expression of it.

*nods*

What I admire is people who are happy and able to make their partner(s) happy. I admire smiles. Everything else is window dressing to me.




DaddysInkedSlut -> RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm (6/23/2010 6:30:22 PM)


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ORIGINAL: HisSub1213

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OP, I can be a total smart ass and extremely sarcastic. I can even be a a playful brat at times. That being said my partner, my Daddy, loves that in me. He finds me extremely submissive towards HIM. I know where that line lies with him. When dealing with forums he pretty much allows me to express myself openly and honestly. He loves that I can think for myself and have no issue expressing myself. Simply because I am submissive to him and give into his will doesn't mean I am going to give into the will of every tom, dick and harry online or real life.


This describes us to a tee. I have a very dry sense of humor which some take a bratty. But he likes that I can "hold my own" as he puts it. We joke, laugh and have a good time. If I go over the line, that "Look" tells me I've gone too far and I back down. But by and large its not an issue.

Edited to add: There are two kinds of "playfulness(brattiness)" deterimined by where we are and what's going on at the time. Out in public things are much different, but at home, when no one's around, well... let's just say I get more latitude.



This is US as well. In a public forum I am not given as much lattitude although still given some, in private well its almost all fair game. Lol




jennileigh8182 -> RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm (6/24/2010 11:16:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: limerentgirl

This whole brat/sarcasm thing is a big reason why I have sometimes had a problem with identifying and running-with my sub nature -- because I am awful brat, I am sarcastic as h3ll, I luv to dish: all the worst of the girly-girl "nature," I guess. 

lol I recall a retro poster with a polished woman saying: "You go girl -- and take those tacky shoes with you"  -- I frikkin luv that!  So yah, i guess I am a bit of a bish in my own way.  I have a strong personality and I am not afraid to use it.

and yet...

ORIGINAL: mstrjx--I think it could be a case of 'strength requiring strength'.

This really speaks to it.  Part of why I am, at my heart, sub, is precisely because in my "waking life" I am a strong person.  I've had to be, and for the most part I enjoy it and am reasonably successful at being strong, in control, all that.

But oh, the longing for a man who can value, appreciate, encourage my strength but who knows that when it comes to it, what I really want is to give that strength, that control, to him.  To relinquish and luxuriate. 

Take me as I am
This may mean you'll have to be a stronger man
-Meredith Brooks/Bitch


So -- because I have trouble calling some guy "sir" just cuz he says, I have been told that I am not a sub, that I oughtta try my hand at rolling domme, when that appeals not at all

You wanta be my man?  You want to be my daddy?  You want to dominate All This?  Earn it.  When I call u sir, when I call u daddy and when I give you all of me, it will be all of me and it will be natural, normal, as the night follows the day.  It all has to integrate, I can't compartmentalize who I am.

There is no god-given or self-proclaimed right to domdom -- you may roll that way, and good on ya buddy, have fun with that, but I have no obligation to recognize you as such regardless my basic sub nature.  If this makes me "just a BRsub" and if that is somehow a lesser creature in some pantheon in yr mind, then whatevs, I ain't losing sleep.

*snap!* oh yes she did.

My man is out there somewhere and he will bend me, but he has no interest whatsoever in breaking me.  That is why I love him before we've ever met and why I will worship him when we finally come together.




I love this, as it says so well how I view myself, and why I don't view this topic in a negative light.  I was going to post, but, when I came across this one, it said everything I would have said anyway, so I'll save everyone reading it again.

You, lovely woman, are my bratty twin!




HisSub1213 -> RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm (6/24/2010 1:54:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DaddysInkedSlut


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ORIGINAL: HisSub1213

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OP, I can be a total smart ass and extremely sarcastic. I can even be a a playful brat at times. That being said my partner, my Daddy, loves that in me. He finds me extremely submissive towards HIM. I know where that line lies with him. When dealing with forums he pretty much allows me to express myself openly and honestly. He loves that I can think for myself and have no issue expressing myself. Simply because I am submissive to him and give into his will doesn't mean I am going to give into the will of every tom, dick and harry online or real life.


This describes us to a tee. I have a very dry sense of humor which some take a bratty. But he likes that I can "hold my own" as he puts it. We joke, laugh and have a good time. If I go over the line, that "Look" tells me I've gone too far and I back down. But by and large its not an issue.

Edited to add: There are two kinds of "playfulness(brattiness)" deterimined by where we are and what's going on at the time. Out in public things are much different, but at home, when no one's around, well... let's just say I get more latitude.



This is US as well. In a public forum I am not given as much lattitude although still given some, in private well its almost all fair game. Lol


Same here. I am always respectful in public. I found it kind of curious here recently when we went to lunch with some friends. He was kind of "egging me on" and, of course since the mood was light I played along. I was told later by one of the friends that the girl he was with thought I was a real brat. Sir and I were playing around like we do. I wasn't anything other than what I always am. I didn't sit with my back straight, my napkin in my lap and my mouth shut, but I was far from what I'd consider being a brat. Well, I did forget once and stick my tongue out but, the repercussions were swift. LOL I mean it wasn't like the night that he swatted me on the butt so I swatted him back. LOL But see with us, that's just play. It works for us. I would never impose what works for us on others, as I learned a long time ago that my way isn't the only way.




allthatjaz -> RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm (6/25/2010 1:40:18 AM)


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ORIGINAL: DaddysInkedSlut


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ORIGINAL: lally2


so ok, what is bratty to you -


Scenerio: I am the laundry mat and these kids are running around. They ignore the attendant when she asks them to stop running inside. They then take the baskets on wheels and start ramming them into each other. Then they begin to climb in and out of the carts turning them over on their sides ect. Their mother never said a word them, not even when the attendant spoke to them. That is bratty behavior IMO and that is someone letting someone act like a brat and misbehave IMO.


Now to me this would speak of 'playful spankee' or 'schoolgirl' Amongst the large array of people I come in to contact with, especially at the fet markets, I see a number of naughty childish women followed by happy smiling spankers. I call them the 'water pistol brigade' and that nick evolved from one of these naughty people firing a water pistol at me some years back.
I don't think this sort of woman is giving her man a hard time. I think she is giving her man a fun time because thats the sort of woman he wants. She is a self proclaimed brat and exactly what he was looking for.

The scenario that lally spoke of could be entirely different. The attention whore who should have indelible ink on her forehead saying 'its all about ME,Me,Me' This type of submissive will often coerce, manipulate and badger her dominant to the point of exhaustion through much more subtle acts such as sulking. I think these sort of relationships are unhealthy and often short lived.




RealSub58 -> RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm (6/25/2010 4:59:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: allthatjaz

. The attention whore who should have indelible ink on her forehead saying 'its all about ME,Me,Me' This type of submissive will often coerce, manipulate and badger her dominant to the point of exhaustion through much more subtle acts such as sulking. I think these sort of relationships are unhealthy and often short lived.


This is what I originally thought a brat submissive was and if the dom could take this, then fine.
Oh well, you live and learn.  To each their own.




allthatjaz -> RE: the beauty of brattiness and sarcasm (6/28/2010 12:09:59 PM)

I think a self proclaimed brat is a very different species from someone who's just generally a bratty bitch.




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