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splorff -> RE: Racist Jokes ? (6/28/2010 8:23:43 AM)
Vincent writes : I am not excusing some while condemning others. But you say we as white people have “ historical standing as oppressors” The black guy you mention is in the same position as me. Almost certainly at some point in the past black people have oppressed other people. But while you link me to vile deeds, the black gentleman you spare. The only difference between us is our skin colour. You link me and all whites to oppression of others, yet the same charge is not made at black people You certainly are excusing some while condemning others, and it is based upon skin colour. That makes you a racist. quote: quote: You dont know whether he had historical standing as an oppressor. He may be of a line whose tribe oppressed another in Africa. Slavery is still practised there to this day, or is that to be forgotten because of his skin tone. This statement is terribly lame in the face of what happened in American history. It is quite embarrassing. It is not lame at all. The point reveals you as a reverse racist. quote: If all white people are to be held responsible for the behaviours of some white people, then all black people should be held responsible for those of some black people. For you it seems to boil down to this. All whites are guilty, because of what some white people did centuries ago. Even though todays white people played no part in those horrors. Meanwhile, blacks should be respected, and no mention is made of any respect for whites. Again you are putting words in my mouth that I never said. I have put no words in your mouth at all. You certainly are advocating group guilt. You said that white people have historical standing as oppressors. The obvious implication, is that living whites bear guilt. You are advocating group guilt. You seek to create guilt where it does not belong. And just as carefully, you avoid the fact that black people have done awful things in their past. But that is to be avoided, for it does not assist your silly argument. I gave some examples in reply to tazzy's question. It was not meant to be all inclusive. And it was intended within the context of this thread about racist jokes not beyond that as you attempt with this silly rhetoric. My silly rhetoric ? That really is funny ! The problem here is that you apparently have no understanding of the racist history of America and of its lingering effects/animosities. If you had the slightest bit of awareness of the trauma my country has been through during this last sixty years in our attempts to throw off prejudices you would realize just how feeble and irrelevant your comments are. Sorry, hate to get personal like that but your rambling on about group guilt is so 1970s and most of us are so past that. I do have some understanding of American history, its British equivalent is little better. All nations have unpleasant histories. People living in the present should not be held accountable, or be made to feel guilty about what others did long ago. I would say your ramblings were feeble, and unforgivably you seem to wish to cause others harm by linking them to crimes they never committed. There are people enough out there with depression and low self esteem. Are you really comfortable peddling this drivel ?

Moonhead -> RE: Racist Jokes ? (6/28/2010 8:27:17 AM)
Would it be worth asking if, say, William Wilberforce is one of the evil historical white guys who oppressed the black man at every opportunity? probably pointless as the Americans on here won't have heard of him, but Google is your friend.

splorff -> RE: Racist Jokes ? (6/28/2010 8:31:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead Would it be worth asking if, say, William Wilberforce is one of the evil historical white guys who oppressed the black man at every opportunity? probably pointless as the Americans on here won't have heard of him, but Google is your friend. It gets better yet, for his great great grandson is an evil whitey because of his great great grandfather !

RCdc -> RE: Racist Jokes ? (6/28/2010 8:45:40 AM)
From the 'statistics' that splorff has used. Police have suggested that some white-on-white killings may be a result of attacks between Scots, English, Irish and Welsh people. Also from the report... Politicians and the authorities often face difficulty in raising the issue of racial attacks on white victims for fear that far-right extremists will try to exploit such events to stir up racial tensions. Fahy also warned of caution in over-interpreting the figures. I would also like to point out that the article is from 2006. And vinnie. Thank you very much for your kind words. Now can somone please explain to splorff that I am a girl?[:D] the.dark.

RCdc -> RE: Racist Jokes ? (6/28/2010 8:48:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig ~FR~ Just to clarify, the equivalent of Negroid is not Caucasian, but Caucasoid....I'm a wordwhore as well[:)] And a very handsome one! (wondering if I should admit that I find it very sexy[sm=idea.gif]) the.dark.

vincentML -> RE: Racist Jokes ? (6/28/2010 9:27:54 AM)
quote: I do have some understanding of American history, its British equivalent is little better. All nations have unpleasant histories. People living in the present should not be held accountable, or be made to feel guilty about what others did long ago. Herein is the proof that you have no concept of American history. The outrage against blacks continued into my lifetime. It is not just what others did a long time ago. Pathetic but arrogant that you presume to comment upon American ethics and culture from a base of such colossal ignorance. quote: You link me and all whites to oppression of others, When you tell racist jokes, Yes! Stick to the issue of this thread, please. quote: The point reveals you as a reverse racist. OMG, there it is... the old reverse racism card... no one in the States has taken that seriously for decades. Why not just reach back down into your toilet and pull up the "white but right" turd as well?

vincentML -> RE: Racist Jokes ? (6/28/2010 9:41:33 AM)
quote: Those whites killed by other whites are not victims of race hate murder ! Fahy comes over as someone like you. Who wishes to muddy the waters. If that is the tact of denial you wish to take then your sample of 24 victims is further reduced in size. But nevermind that you are drawing large inferrences from a ludicrously tiny population sample, your argument seems to be that when the numbers are not what you say they are, they are not what the authorities say they are, so they are what you say they are. Quite clear in your reasoning. [sm=rofl.gif]

RCdc -> RE: Racist Jokes ? (6/28/2010 10:24:28 AM)
From the same report quote: In 1999 the Commission for Racial Equality published a report that concluded that most racial crimes were committed against white people, although it pointed out that at the time white people made up 94 per cent of the population and that, proportionally, black and Asian people were still far more likely to be victims of race attacks. The report suggested that white people might also be more likely to report a crime such as a street robbery carried out by a black person as a racial incident. The report totally negates the claim that whites are suffering more than non whites in racially motivated crime. Who is taking odds that I am still on 'block'.[;)] the.dark.

splorff -> RE: Racist Jokes ? (6/28/2010 10:45:15 AM)
Police have suggested that some white-on-white killings may be a result of attacks between Scots, English, Irish and Welsh people. The white on white killings are not race hate murders, and so are not race hate crimes. I don’t why they have been mentioned here. The fact is that 48% of race hate crime in this period were committed by 6% of the population [non whites] These are worrying statistics. Certainly racism is alive and well in the black population, just as it is in the white. Also from the report... Politicians and the authorities often face difficulty in raising the issue of racial attacks on white victims for fear that far-right extremists will try to exploit such events to stir up racial tensions. But of course instances of white on black violence get massive publicity Fahy also warned of caution in over-interpreting the figures. Yes, he did, but from the data we see that blacks are more prone to violent behaviour than are whites I would also like to point out that the article is from 2006. And I think we can conclude that the reason we will not be seeing data from other years, is because The Guardian and other papers have been censured and possibly threatened. They certainly seem to have been silenced.

splorff -> RE: Racist Jokes ? (6/28/2010 10:55:14 AM)
In 1999 the Commission for Racial Equality published a report that concluded that most racial crimes were committed against white people Probably true although it pointed out that at the time white people made up 94 per cent of the population and that, proportionally, black and Asian people were still far more likely to be victims of race attacks. Possibly true The report suggested that white people might also be more likely to report a crime such as a street robbery carried out by a black person as a racial incident. Possibly true I was highlighting race hate murder, these crimes are indisputably racist, and way beyond anything petty. Perfect examples of savagery.

splorff -> RE: Racist Jokes ? (6/28/2010 11:04:59 AM)
Herein is the proof that you have no concept of American history. The outrage against blacks continued into my lifetime. It is not just what others did a long time ago. Nonsense, I have a concept of American history, as surely you have one of European history Pathetic but arrogant that you presume to comment upon American ethics and culture from a base of such colossal ignorance. Nonsense, your old standby of hurling insults at anyone you disapprove of, reveals you for what you are. quote: You link me and all whites to oppression of others, When you tell racist jokes, Yes! Stick to the issue of this thread, please. I am oppressing no one with a joke which is basically just a pun. quote: The point reveals you as a reverse racist. OMG, there it is... the old reverse racism card... no one in the States has taken that seriously for decades. Why not just reach back down into your toilet and pull up the "white but right" turd as well? You are a racist, you have demonstrated it perfectly

splorff -> RE: Racist Jokes ? (6/28/2010 11:13:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML If that is the tact of denial you wish to take then your sample of 24 victims is further reduced in size. I don’t think they are in the sample. It Looks like an aside to me. The point I made was that 48% of race hate murder was committed by 6% or less of the population, and that the purps were non whites. But nevermind that you are drawing large inferrences from a ludicrously tiny population sample, It is a small sample yes. But those are the findings. I drew no large inferences. Within that study, non whites are more prone to race hate and extreme violence than are whites. your argument seems to be that when the numbers are not what you say they are, they are not what the authorities say they are, so they are what you say they are. More nonsense

splorff -> RE: Racist Jokes ? (6/28/2010 11:46:31 AM)
I re read the article, and can find no mention of 48%. I’m not sure where I got that from. I then did the math myself, and the true figure is 41.3%, apologies for an unintended mistake. Still pretty grim though, 3 - 6% of the population responsible for 41.3 % of all race hate murders in a ten year period ending in 2004.

Moonhead -> RE: Racist Jokes ? (6/28/2010 1:26:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: I do have some understanding of American history, its British equivalent is little better. All nations have unpleasant histories. People living in the present should not be held accountable, or be made to feel guilty about what others did long ago. Herein is the proof that you have no concept of American history. The outrage against blacks continued into my lifetime. It is not just what others did a long time ago. Pathetic but arrogant that you presume to comment upon American ethics and culture from a base of such colossal ignorance. quote: You link me and all whites to oppression of others, When you tell racist jokes, Yes! Stick to the issue of this thread, please. quote: The point reveals you as a reverse racist. OMG, there it is... the old reverse racism card... no one in the States has taken that seriously for decades. Why not just reach back down into your toilet and pull up the "white but right" turd as well? It's still going on now, unless you're stupid enough to think that there isn't a racial element to this "birther" horseshit. Maybe I should see if I can find a Prussian Blue video on youtube while we're on this?

RCdc -> RE: Racist Jokes ? (6/28/2010 1:54:31 PM)
This is RC Proportionately, you have no idea what you are talking about. And I am not as kind and forgiving as the.dark. quote: ORIGINAL: splorff Still pretty grim though, 3 - 6% of the population responsible for 41.3 % of all race hate murders in a ten year period ending in 2004. Your previous statement - quote: Whites in the UK are 96% of the population. Asians are 3% and so are blacks- 3%. Asians are often said to be model citizens, although this is not entirely true. Whites are 96% of the population - yet whites are only 41.4 % of the victims. So proportionally we have less crime commited against us. An easy example that any racist can understand: If you have 100 people, and 90 are white and 10 are black then proportionately 90% of the population are white. Yes? Therefore 10% of the population are black. Yes? Therefore if you were to kill 10 of them, proportionately, then you should kill 9 whites and 1 black. 9 whites = 90% of the population to be killed. Just like above. Remember? OK, therefore then it follows that 1 black = 10% of the population to be killed? Yes? Still with me? Therefore if you were to kill 5 whites and 5 blacks, then 50% of the population to be killed would be white and 50% would be black. So, if only 50% of the people killed are white, rather than the 90% that would be the correct proportionate amount of slaughter then I'd say the white population are getting off pretty lightly, no? The black population on the other hand, are way over their proportionate amount of designated killings and so are far worse of than the whites. Moral of the story, never fuck with figures against someone who works with them for a living for a living. [;)]

Owner59 -> RE: Racist Jokes ? (6/28/2010 1:58:15 PM)
This number crunching by racialists has always troubled me,mostly b/c of the way numbers are twisted and mis-bused. Example: Most blacks are killed by other blacks.The numbers for rape robbery etc. roughly match up the same.Black on black crime is out of control by any measure.Over 90%(I`ve heard)of crimes commited against blacks are by other blacks. But a few whites are killed raped or robbed by these same assholes and suddenly,black on white "hate" crime is the big story. There are the dopes who believe black crimes against whites are automatically racially based, hate crimes.Forgetting the hoards of black victims of these same thugs. Or believe that because more blacks are attacking white folks then whites attacking blacks (in raw numbers),blacks are therefore more racists(in spite of the fact that it`s mostly blacks who are also the victims to these same thugs). Scary black men make for a very sexy wedge issue to exploit tho ,don`t they rich?[:D]...Just have`n some fun w/ thefuckstick....[:D]

splorff -> RE: Racist Jokes ? (6/29/2010 3:33:23 AM)
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splorff -> RE: Racist Jokes ? (6/29/2010 3:36:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: I do have some understanding of American history, its British equivalent is little better. All nations have unpleasant histories. People living in the present should not be held accountable, or be made to feel guilty about what others did long ago. Herein is the proof that you have no concept of American history. The outrage against blacks continued into my lifetime. It is not just what others did a long time ago. Pathetic but arrogant that you presume to comment upon American ethics and culture from a base of such colossal ignorance. quote: You link me and all whites to oppression of others, Of course it is still going on, and as we see, black racism is just as bad as that from whites When you tell racist jokes, Yes! Stick to the issue of this thread, please. quote: The point reveals you as a reverse racist. OMG, there it is... the old reverse racism card... no one in the States has taken that seriously for decades. Why not just reach back down into your toilet and pull up the "white but right" turd as well? It's still going on now, unless you're stupid enough to think that there isn't a racial element to this "birther" horseshit. Maybe I should see if I can find a Prussian Blue video on youtube while we're on this? Yes racism is alive and well, and that from blacks is just as bad as that from whites

splorff -> RE: Racist Jokes ? (6/29/2010 4:27:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RCdc This is RC This is someone else who has mastered bold type also In the ten year year period to 2004, there were 58 race hate murders in the UK. 24 of the victims were white. Because they were race hate victims, they must have been killed by people of other races [non whites]. In the same period 34 non white people were killed in race hate murders. Because they were race hate victims, they must have been killed by people of other races [whites]. It is known that the UK population at present is composed of 94% white people. Blacks make up 3% of the population, the remaining 3% are Asians. Therefore non whites are responsible for 41.3 % of race hate murder even though they are only 6% of the population. Whites are responsible for 58.7% of race hate murder. Whites represent 94% of the population. Non whites are therefore grossly over represented as murderers in this study. That’s it. That’s all I am saying. I do not have any political axe to grind. I am merely pointing out that blacks are racist too, perhaps more so. I am pointing it out because I am tired of reading the crap in here. Here I’ll say it again – Black people are just as racist as white people ! That is the point I am making. Nothing more. Others here seek to point out that whites historically did awful things. They did. I agree. So too did blacks. It was blacks who sold other blacks into slavery. Why no mention of this ? I am simply tired of liberals and their ridiculous arguments. All the peoples of the world have nasty histories. We all know that to be true. The one who readily resorts to name calling, reminds me of one those medieval buffoons wandering around scourging themselves, for daring to be there in the first place. He can live like that if he wants to. I am happy to have a more balanced world view. I do not accept that I, and other living white people are responsible for the dreadful events in history. I judge people for their behaviour, and not the behaviour of their ancestors. That is clearly ridiculous. [mod edit font ]

splorff -> RE: Racist Jokes ? (6/29/2010 4:33:44 AM)
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