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RE: Fuzzy Hard Limit? - 6/22/2010 12:04:45 PM   
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Hmm.  It seems to me that what's crucial is the way the OP and any small 'uns relate with one another.  A thirteen-year-old giving orders, him taking them - well, that's a D/s dynamic.  Jobs being done for a grateful kid who's respectful in the ordinary way towards an adult - that's . . . just ordinary. 

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RE: Fuzzy Hard Limit? - 6/22/2010 12:06:48 PM   
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it is not what he would be doing that is an issue, but rather that ol Aunt Katie shared her kink with a thirteen yr old. Sorry...unacceptable.

The amount of disclosure that Aunt Katie has with the thirteen year old is rather up in the air.  Nowhere in the original does it say that it's being presented as a kink.  Merely that Aunt Katie brings these folks along and they do the chores. 

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As per the Op

She says that her parents who are in their late 80's (she and I are in our early 60's), her brother, her sister, and their families will be there.  The youngest child is now 13 and their ages go up from there.

One of my hard limits has always been involving children, for reasons that I have always thought were obvious.  But, just what does "involve" mean?

She says that she has been bringing slaves with her to the cottage for years and that everyone loves it.
i get the impression the 13 yr old is a part of "everyone"


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RE: Fuzzy Hard Limit? - 6/22/2010 12:07:06 PM   
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You might just appear to be a helpful sorta guy, if they give it any thought at all. Unless someone is actually cracking a whip or calling you "slaveboy", it's probably not going to be a big deal.

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RE: Fuzzy Hard Limit? - 6/22/2010 12:10:08 PM   
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ALSO- there is a difference between a child "knowing" about a kink and a child "being exposed" to a kink. I think some of us forget that at times.
a 13 yr old knows and is exposed to whatever dynamic they display, and his submissive nature to Aunt Katie is displaying the dynamic.

The fact that this woman made a thirteen yr old aware of a BDSM dynamic is beyond my comprehension.

Would you sit around and discuss bondage, making a CHILD "aware" as opposed to "exposed"? If it were my kid, the person who did so would remove my stiletto from their ass right before they hit the curb.

It is the knowledge the child has that freaks me out. Otherwise, i would be telling the OP to go, have fun, and behave.


Holly if that were true, every child in the 50's in the typical household then would have been abused. Every child born into a marriage with one parent having more responsiblities and the balance of power is abused. This isn't unique to us. Unequal power balances exist all over the world and kids are raised to those relationships without issue.

I do agree the mother strung up in the bedroom next to a child's where they can hear or observe is wrong. I'm not getting the impression this is anything other than someone doing chore type service. It happens every day.
it does NOT happen every day. There is a 13 yr old CHILD who was made aware of BDSM and is EXPOSED to it in the aspect that the OP is acting as a sub/slave to Aunt Katie.

A daily occurrence my Irish ass.


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RE: Fuzzy Hard Limit? - 6/22/2010 12:13:11 PM   
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ALSO- there is a difference between a child "knowing" about a kink and a child "being exposed" to a kink. I think some of us forget that at times.
a 13 yr old knows and is exposed to whatever dynamic they display, and his submissive nature to Aunt Katie is displaying the dynamic.

The fact that this woman made a thirteen yr old aware of a BDSM dynamic is beyond my comprehension.

Would you sit around and discuss bondage, making a CHILD "aware" as opposed to "exposed"? If it were my kid, the person who did so would remove my stiletto from their ass right before they hit the curb.

It is the knowledge the child has that freaks me out. Otherwise, i would be telling the OP to go, have fun, and behave.


exactly. It isn't what he will be doing, dishes etc, it is the disclosure of the dynamic that is the issue, and it is too late to change that.

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RE: Fuzzy Hard Limit? - 6/22/2010 12:13:34 PM   
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The child is a teenager. They may be able to tell you a thing or two. But nevertheless, there is nothing inappropriate about telling a child of any age, this is my partner (insert- friend, sub, servant or any other descriptor) and he serves me. That does not expose a child to kink. It exposes a child to the fact that there are servants in this world.
As i said...if you, acting as Aunt Katie, exposed my 13 yr old to BDSM, you would have my boot pretty far up your ass. and "exposed" is toting a servant to the family gathering.

the fact that you see nothing inappropriate in "telling a child of any age" is very frightening to me.

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RE: Fuzzy Hard Limit? - 6/22/2010 12:24:33 PM   
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Hmmm what if they had a House Keeper? Is that sharing a Kink with a child?
What if they had a Butler? Is that?
This is not an issue of rich old Aunt Katie hauling along the hired help.

This is an issue of kinky Aunt Katie hauling along her slave.

Sorry...big difference in my eyes and not acceptable in front of a child. Not in my world. Not a chance.



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RE: Fuzzy Hard Limit? - 6/22/2010 12:24:56 PM   
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I don't see the younger person as being exposed to BDSM.  I'm not seeing any reference to bondage, discipline, sadism, or masochism.  We have no idea if the word "slave" is even being referenced when coming to the 13 year old.  Just that she's been bringing people for years and everyone loves it.  You can't automatically transfer the terminology that Aunt Katie has when discussing the situation with the OP to it being the same terminology Aunt Katie has with the other family member.  Very much the same as you, in the coming years, may never use the word "submissive" in the presence of the Loud One, but submissive to Jim, nonetheless.


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RE: Fuzzy Hard Limit? - 6/22/2010 12:26:00 PM   
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Well good for you holly, your moral high horse has been noted, obviouly there are people who disagree with your views. Can we move on now?

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RE: Fuzzy Hard Limit? - 6/22/2010 12:33:08 PM   
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I don't see the younger person as being exposed to BDSM. 
Don't you? The entire group is aware Aunt Katie is kinky and has a slave. The fact that he is there as a servant is exposing a child to the dynamic.
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I'm not seeing any reference to bondage, discipline, sadism, or masochism.  We have no idea if the word "slave" is even being referenced when coming to the 13 year old.  Just that she's been bringing people for years and everyone loves it.
Per the OP...she has been bringing "slaves" for years, and everyone loves it. Again...i consider a 13 yr old to be a part of everyone.

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You can't automatically transfer the terminology that Aunt Katie has when discussing the situation with the OP to it being the same terminology Aunt Katie has with the other family member.
then where did they get the idea Aunt Katie has slaves? Obviously she has used BDSM terminology with her family in some form or another
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Very much the same as you, in the coming years, may never use the word "submissive" in the presence of the Loud One, but submissive to Jim, nonetheless.
Wrong. Our dynamic is one of equality in front of others.



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RE: Fuzzy Hard Limit? - 6/22/2010 12:34:44 PM   
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Well good for you holly, your moral high horse has been noted, obviouly there are people who disagree with your views. Can we move on now?

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RE: Fuzzy Hard Limit? - 6/22/2010 12:37:00 PM   
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Nope just wondering how long you plan on acting like church lady and judging everyone else by your moral code.

I mean I've see you do it so many times I just wonder if there is something you don't view in a holier-than-thou way.

Seriously doesn't it hurt looking down your nose at so many other people?

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RE: Fuzzy Hard Limit? - 6/22/2010 12:37:19 PM   
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The child is a teenager. They may be able to tell you a thing or two. But nevertheless, there is nothing inappropriate about telling a child of any age, this is my partner (insert- friend, sub, servant or any other descriptor) and he serves me. That does not expose a child to kink. It exposes a child to the fact that there are servants in this world.
As i said...if you, acting as Aunt Katie, exposed my 13 yr old to BDSM, you would have my boot pretty far up your ass. and "exposed" is toting a servant to the family gathering.

the fact that you see nothing inappropriate in "telling a child of any age" is very frightening to me.


The fact is her family knows and they invite her to the family gathering every year. It is obviously not an issue to them. If you believe that having a domestic servant is kink, that is fine. I don't see cooking and cleaning a house as kink.  Furthermore we all know vanilla relationships where one person serves the other or one person controls the other. For reference, check a conservative christian marriage where the wife believes she should SUBMIT (theres a familiar and kinky word) to her husband. Or the head of every man is the woman. Many wives in these marriages serve their husbands in much the same way a sub serves a dom. I have seen churches where all the women feel they should submit to all of the men. So why is it ok to "expose" children to that kind of "kink"?  For me, this is the same thing.

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RE: Fuzzy Hard Limit? - 6/22/2010 12:43:25 PM   
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We're going to have to agree to disagree on this one, Holly.  I understand your position, though I'm not entirely sure if you're seeing Mine.

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RE: Fuzzy Hard Limit? - 6/22/2010 12:55:36 PM   
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They don't have to be polite to a guest


This is my only issue with the whole thing. Not needing to do any chores? Well that might be an issue, but not necessarily. Having someone else do something? That happens all the time.

But promoting the attitude that they don't have to be polite and respectful to ANYONE is unacceptable.

It's also completely irrelevant to kink/Ds.

To add- my nephews were playing with the Oring on my collar before they could talk, guess I exposed them to my kink and am a bad person!

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RE: Fuzzy Hard Limit? - 6/22/2010 12:56:44 PM   
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Nope just wondering how long you plan on acting like church lady and judging everyone else by your moral code.

I mean I've see you do it so many times I just wonder if there is something you don't view in a holier-than-thou way.

Seriously doesn't it hurt looking down your nose at so many other people?

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i never set foot in a church, and the fact that you see me presenting a high level of morality tells me i am getting better with age!!!

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RE: Fuzzy Hard Limit? - 6/22/2010 12:58:28 PM   
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We're going to have to agree to disagree on this one, Holly.  I understand your position, though I'm not entirely sure if you're seeing Mine.

My best to you and yours.

likewise, LadyP.

And as with you, i can see the other side, but we agree that we agree to disagree.


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RE: Fuzzy Hard Limit? - 6/22/2010 1:09:28 PM   
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The child is a teenager. They may be able to tell you a thing or two. But nevertheless, there is nothing inappropriate about telling a child of any age, this is my partner (insert- friend, sub, servant or any other descriptor) and he serves me. That does not expose a child to kink. It exposes a child to the fact that there are servants in this world.
As i said...if you, acting as Aunt Katie, exposed my 13 yr old to BDSM, you would have my boot pretty far up your ass. and "exposed" is toting a servant to the family gathering.

the fact that you see nothing inappropriate in "telling a child of any age" is very frightening to me.

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The fact is her family knows and they invite her to the family gathering every year. It is obviously not an issue to them.
I never said it was, and neither did the OP. His post was pertaining to HIS view.
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If you believe that having a domestic servant is kink, that is fine. I don't see cooking and cleaning a house as kink.  Furthermore we all know vanilla relationships where one person serves the other or one person controls the other.
Sure...and that is all fine and dandy...right up until you slap a BDSM label on it in front of a kid.
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For reference, check a conservative christian marriage where the wife believes she should SUBMIT (theres a familiar and kinky word) to her husband. Or the head of every man is the woman. Many wives in these marriages serve their husbands in much the same way a sub serves a dom. I have seen churches where all the women feel they should submit to all of the men. So why is it ok to "expose" children to that kind of "kink"?  For me, this is the same thing.
Read the second part of that biblical passage and then get back to me, why don't you? "Wives submit to your husbands. Husbands loves your wives as Christ so loves His church". I am not a bible thumper, but i have had the first part of that passage brought out in my practice so often that i memorized it. The "church" Christ so loves is what He honors and serves. Honors and serves. Funny...the males that quote part one in couples therapy seem less than appreciative when i clue them into part two. Go figure.

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RE: Fuzzy Hard Limit? - 6/22/2010 1:11:34 PM   
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To add- my nephews were playing with the Oring on my collar before they could talk, guess I exposed them to my kink and am a bad person!
my kid yanked the collar off of my neck and was headed to the toilet. 

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RE: Fuzzy Hard Limit? - 6/22/2010 1:12:56 PM   
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Paid staff or not, my kids always helped. And yes, we have always had paid staff. Whether a full time housekeeper or someone who does the heavy work twice a month. The kids help out carrying bowls, bringing beach towels to the laundry room, etc.

If you're going to have a massive erection doing this, then stay home. If you're going to be the greatest houseguest ever, which is what it sounds like, then go. But do ask for help. Volunteer to do the dishes, just say you're not the type to sit still all day.




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