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Brain -> Christ Wasnt Crucified: Scholar (6/26/2010 4:23:20 AM)

I can believe this. It’s probably easier to get money when they pass the collection plate around in church telling people they used nails; nails are more horrific.


Christ Wasn't Crucified: Scholar
ANCIENT TEXTS MAKE NO MENTION OF CROSSES, CRUCIFIXION

Christ probably died tied to a pole instead of nailed to a cross, claims a theologian who has pored through ancient texts. There is no mention of nailing people to crosses as punishment in Greek, Roman,... Science & Health News Summaries. | Newser

Samuelsson—who stresses that he is a committed Christian himself—says the belief Christ died on a cross likely came from artistic depictions of the execution in later centuries and from misinterpretation of the Bible. "My suggestion is not that Christians should reject or doubt the biblical text," he tells the Telegraph. "My suggestion is that we should read the text as it is, not as we think it is. We should read on the lines, not between the lines."

http://www.newser.com/story/93635/christ-wasnt-crucified-scholar.html


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pahunkboy -> RE: Christ Wasnt Crucified: Scholar (6/26/2010 5:30:08 AM)

This is a dumb thread.



FirmhandKY -> RE: Christ Wasnt Crucified: Scholar (6/26/2010 5:34:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

This is a dumb thread.

My thoughts exactly.

But Brian is mad at the world, and seeks to attack anything that he perceives as "the establishment".

Firm



pahunkboy -> RE: Christ Wasnt Crucified: Scholar (6/26/2010 5:37:53 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

This is a dumb thread.

My thoughts exactly.

But Brian is mad at the world, and seeks to attack anything that he perceives as "the establishment".

Firm



This odd of a topic can only end up to be a flame fest.    Yet that depends on how we post.





sirsholly -> RE: Christ Wasnt Crucified: Scholar (6/26/2010 5:39:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

This is a dumb thread.

My thoughts exactly.

*Looks at he who started a booger thread. Bites tongue*



FirmhandKY -> RE: Christ Wasnt Crucified: Scholar (6/26/2010 5:40:21 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

This is a dumb thread.

My thoughts exactly.

But Brian is mad at the world, and seeks to attack anything that he perceives as "the establishment".

Firm



This odd of a topic can only end up to be a flame fest.    Yet that depends on how we post.

hee ..

I had decided to ignore it, until you posted.

What say that what we do now: just ignore it?

Firm



FirmhandKY -> RE: Christ Wasnt Crucified: Scholar (6/26/2010 5:42:16 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: sirsholly

quote:

ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

This is a dumb thread.

My thoughts exactly.

*Looks at he who started a booger thread. Bites tongue*

boogers are interesting!

Everyone has them, and most people ignore them!

[:D]

Firm



pahunkboy -> RE: Christ Wasnt Crucified: Scholar (6/26/2010 5:46:21 AM)

No I wont ignore it.


We are studying Jude in Bible study.   My church is less about ritual and ceremony and more about good foundations.   I go with my neighbor- we have a 3rd neighbor now joining us. (the kid of)

Being mad at the world - the establishment does not cut it with me.

The topic is somewhat insulting.  Boarders on blasphemy.
...and if not- it takes alot to study the Bible.

So the author of the article just wants attention. (IMO)



maybemaybenot -> RE: Christ Wasnt Crucified: Scholar (6/26/2010 6:01:02 AM)

I vote to ignore
or
we can post our favorite Bible scripture.

Let's toss a coin.

mbmbn



FirmhandKY -> RE: Christ Wasnt Crucified: Scholar (6/26/2010 6:08:35 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

No I wont ignore it.


We are studying Jude in Bible study.   My church is less about ritual and ceremony and more about good foundations.   I go with my neighbor- we have a 3rd neighbor now joining us. (the kid of)

Being mad at the world - the establishment does not cut it with me.

The topic is somewhat insulting.  Boarders on blasphemy.
...and if not- it takes alot to study the Bible.

So the author of the article just wants attention. (IMO)

Ok, since you insist ...

The first thing that I found "interesting" was the article's claim that "the scholar" (a divinity student, actually, who did this research for his degree), found that there is no historical evidence for crucifixion in the ancient world, even in Rome.

When I looked at some of his works, and comments, he seems to be claiming that it was "suspension" of some kind from "a pole".

Brian's thread seems to be an attempt to discredit Christianity by throwing doubt on the historical validity of the common interpretation of Jesus's suffering.

First, one divinity student's research isn't likely going to be definitive.  I think many scholars will argue that "crucifixion didn't exist in the Roman world" is likely not accurate.

Second, I'm not sure that "proving" that Jesus was suspended from "a pole" rather than "a cross" makes much differences in the message that Jesus was teaching.  The point was his sacrifice and suffering.

Tempest in a teapot.

Firm



DCWoody -> RE: Christ Wasnt Crucified: Scholar (6/26/2010 6:28:01 AM)

What the.....the...whatisfaces...those ones who're always door knocking...have been saying this for years. The earliest existing texts are in Ancient Greek, and the word they use can be taken as 'stake'. It's a debate of little importance, and it's far from new. IIRC, a neutral POV of the word shows stake as being the more likely, but it's not certain...and christians had the crucifix thing in their mind from an early date, so who knows. And really....who cares?

Even for the most devout...does it really make any difference? The argument does serve to underline how vague knowledge of a theoretical jesus is though.



LadyCimarron -> RE: Christ Wasnt Crucified: Scholar (6/26/2010 6:29:16 AM)


For those who don't believe no proof is good enough.
For those who believe no proof is necessary.
 
Just pick a side and stay on it. You really cannot disprove something that people believe by faith. The whole point of FAITH is that you believe when all evidence points to contrary.
 
I can't believe that people still waste time and money on this kind of crap.



Icarys -> RE: Christ Wasnt Crucified: Scholar (6/26/2010 6:35:38 AM)

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The topic is somewhat insulting. Boarders on blasphemy.


I believe that was his intentions..Not sure it's the author who's looking for attention.


This guy is what I refer to as the intellectual idiot. More than a few of them running around.[:D]



FirmhandKY -> RE: Christ Wasnt Crucified: Scholar (6/26/2010 6:52:40 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: maybemaybenot

I vote to ignore
or
we can post our favorite Bible scripture.

Let's toss a coin.

mbmbn

I guess we are going to discuss it.

But .. but .. boogers are in the bible!

Firm

edited to add:

Boogers are Blessings

Picking 10 reasons why boogers are wonderful is not hard for first-time author (and 10-year-old) McDermott, who co-authored this picture book with his mother.

The book's protagonist flaunts a bright yellow tee shirt with a box of tissues crossed out as he lauds the joys of nose-picking. "Boogers are blessings,/ 'Cause, well, they're just fun!" he proclaims. "They make great little snacks,/ When there's no time to cook./ They're handy placeholders/ When you're reading a book."

Just saying ...



LadyCimarron -> RE: Christ Wasnt Crucified: Scholar (6/26/2010 6:59:19 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

No I wont ignore it.


We are studying Jude in Bible study.   My church is less about ritual and ceremony and more about good foundations.   I go with my neighbor- we have a 3rd neighbor now joining us. (the kid of)

Being mad at the world - the establishment does not cut it with me.

The topic is somewhat insulting.  Boarders on blasphemy.
...and if not- it takes alot to study the Bible.

So the author of the article just wants attention. (IMO)




OMG.........Its RESEARCH.....The end of Christianity as we know it is at hand........it was "STAKE" not a "CROSS".....so you know what that means. You, me and millions of people now have to reject everything we believe and and become athiests; because after all.........one man did  research (did you hear a rumble of thunder when I said that word) [8|][8|][8|][8|][8|][8|][8|][8|][8|][8|] 



FirmhandKY -> RE: Christ Wasnt Crucified: Scholar (6/26/2010 7:05:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyCimarron

OMG.........Its RESEARCH.....The end of Christianity as we know it is at hand........it was "STAKE" not a "CROSS".....so you know what that means. You, me and millions of people now have to reject everything we believe and and become athiests; because after all.........one man did  research (did you hear a rumble of thunder when I said that word) [8|][8|][8|][8|][8|][8|][8|][8|][8|][8|]

You do realize, don't you, that if an erect pole replaces the cross as the symbol of Christianity, that this adoption of a phallic symbol will set back feminism by centuries, dontcha?  [8D]

Firm



mnottertail -> RE: Christ Wasnt Crucified: Scholar (6/26/2010 7:06:07 AM)

I am sure jesus felt really fucked at the time. So------the imagery is apt.



FirmhandKY -> RE: Christ Wasnt Crucified: Scholar (6/26/2010 7:07:09 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I am sure jesus felt really fucked at the time. So------the imagery is apt.


Damn!

Good one Ron.  That didn't occur to me! [:D]

Firm



Aneirin -> RE: Christ Wasnt Crucified: Scholar (6/26/2010 7:07:34 AM)

I understand all that is known is some form of execution was used where the arms were raised so as to put pressure on the chest and hinder breathing, the victim slowly asphyxiated under their own weight. Stakes were used, hanging was used and perhaps crosses were used, it matters not, the intent is the same. But what makes me wonder, is how long was a crucifix used as the symbol of a spirituality, I mean, it is a bit in your face compared to the symbology employed with most other spiritualities, and perhaps the use of it was designed to achieve a different thought.



FirmhandKY -> RE: Christ Wasnt Crucified: Scholar (6/26/2010 7:09:37 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aneirin

I understand all that is known is some form of execution was used where the arms were raised so as to put pressure on the chest and hinder breathing, the victim slowly asphyxiated under their own weight. Stakes were used, hanging was used and perhaps crosses were used, it matters not, the intent is the same. But what makes me wonder, is how long was a crucifix used as the symbol of a spirituality, I mean, it is a bit in your face compared to the symbology employed with most other spiritualities, and perhaps the use of it was designed to achieve a different thought.

It's a reminder of the core of Christianity: that Jesus died for your sins.

Firm



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