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DarlingSavage -> RE: Christ Wasnt Crucified: Scholar (6/26/2010 8:13:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jeffff Only if you take them individually. As part of the whole package they make sense....... but for the sake of argument... I will give you the first 4 They aren't treated as a whole package, I honestly don't get it. The last five are reasonable and make sense. The 5th is reasonable provided you have loving and caring parents. Of course, there's never really a reason to dishonor anyone.

DarlingSavage -> RE: Christ Wasnt Crucified: Scholar (6/26/2010 8:20:17 PM)
quote: Ok.... but if everyones parents followed them, they would not be shitty parents.... thats kinda my point. AS for the pussy move, I am not going to spend hours debating with people who are firmly intrenched. Thats the psycho move. I'm not really sure what you're saying in that first statement. If everyone's parents followed them, wouldn't that make them stalker parents? I have learned that in my family, my parents had rough upbringings, and so did their parents before them. It took me a long time to figure that out, well, actually, I figured it out as soon as I heard all the stories of their childhoods. Wow. It brought a lot to light. And they're all southern baptist and my dad's side of the family, well, his dad, my grandpa, he was a preacher for Assembly of God. Lunatics! For such smart people, how could they swallow that line of shit so far and so deep? The End Times? Puh-lease! Grandpa was constantly trying to predict the day the rapture was going to happen. LOL! But when I heard about all that, all I could think was how horrific, how could a god that is supposed to be loving and benevolent, be so hateful and murderous. That is why I don't believe in the bible or christianity. Granted, there are a few decent passages strewn about here and there, but on the whole, I don't think it's got all that going for it.

laurell3 -> RE: Christ Wasnt Crucified: Scholar (6/26/2010 8:20:34 PM)
Why would you read it so literally? Why can't you honor your parents by recognizing their limitations, accepting them even with faults but still keeping distance and recognizing their negative impacts as well?

DarlingSavage -> RE: Christ Wasnt Crucified: Scholar (6/26/2010 8:21:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: laurell3 Why would you read it so literally? Why can't you honor your parents by recognizing their limitations, accepting them even with faults but still keeping distance and recognizing their negative impacts as well? Read what I just wrote. My response is above you. I mean above your last post.

Owner59 -> RE: Christ Wasnt Crucified: Scholar (6/26/2010 8:21:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarlingSavage Then there's that one about honoring your father and mother. What if your parents were abusive? Are you supposed to hang around even after you can leave and continue to suffer their abuse? That shit takes years and years of therapy to get over! Lastly, you shouldn't drop a gauntlet and then run, that's a pussy move. I took custody of my mom a year ago cuz my dad could no longer take care of her.The whole time I was doing that,my dad called me a prick and every other name and insult in the book. I just took him over last week,taking him off of St Thomas and taking him directly to a hospital here in Jersey.He was incontinent and couldn`t stand or walk and wasn`t getting what he needed care wise and was getting bed sores,etc.He was laying in his own waste.I had to take him home with me.There was no other choice. The whole time I was doing it,he called me a prick and every other name. This honoring your parents thing isn`t all it cracked up to be.

DarlingSavage -> RE: Christ Wasnt Crucified: Scholar (6/26/2010 8:24:14 PM)
As a matter of fact, I just had a very, very nice visit with my mother, who was not a very nice person when I was growing up. The only point I was trying to make is that the 5th and the rest of them were intended to be taken literally. And also, that if someone is abusive to you, you should be able to leave, however, according to the 5th, that would be dishonoring your parents.

Jeffff -> RE: Christ Wasnt Crucified: Scholar (6/26/2010 8:26:29 PM)
I am not here to defend religion.... I don't believe in God. But I don't believe that the belief in god is holding us back. Religious beliefs yes.... god...no

DarlingSavage -> RE: Christ Wasnt Crucified: Scholar (6/26/2010 8:28:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jeffff I am not here to defend religion.... I don't believe in God. But I don't believe that the belief in god is holding us back. Religious beliefs yes.... god...no I agree with that. I'm not an atheist. I do believe in a supreme being, however, not a christian. And those guys really get my blood to boiling sometimes! Whew!

laurell3 -> RE: Christ Wasnt Crucified: Scholar (6/26/2010 8:28:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarlingSavage quote: ORIGINAL: laurell3 Why would you read it so literally? Why can't you honor your parents by recognizing their limitations, accepting them even with faults but still keeping distance and recognizing their negative impacts as well? Read what I just wrote. My response is above you. I mean above your last post. No it isn't. Re-read the question. I get your point, you aren't seeing mine. I honor my mother. I recognize she has some serious limitations. I recognize the negative impact she has had on my life. I accept her the way she is but I spend very little time with her because of them and limit the type of interaction we will have for my own well-being. There is nothing about the concept of honoring that says you have to have certain types of contact or any. I honor my father. He is deceased. He died very young and made some bad decisions, but he was my father nonetheless and I am proud of the good decisions he made and the legacy that allowed me to have. I do neither of these things out of any religious belief. I do them because they are what allows me to put the past behind me and move on as a healthy adult. You can honor without being hurt again.

Cherylmazana -> RE: Christ Wasnt Crucified: Scholar (6/26/2010 8:29:24 PM)
During the siege of Rome Josephus a Jewish scholar and eye witness of the time reports that crucifixions took place using nails, I suspect that the soldiers were practical and used whatever was handy or would cause the victim the most humiliation as humiliation was the other point of crucifixion. It was a warning not to piss off the Romans after all. Rope or nails, in the end does it matter? Cheryl

DarlingSavage -> RE: Christ Wasnt Crucified: Scholar (6/26/2010 8:30:20 PM)
quote: No it isn't. Re-read the question. I get your point, you aren't seeing mine. I honor my mother. I recognize she has some serious limitations. I recognize the negative impact she has had on my life. I accept her the way she is but I spend very little time with her because of them and limit the type of interaction we will have for my own well-being. There is nothing about the concept of honoring that says you have to have certain types of contact or any. I honor my father. He is deceased. He died very young and made some bad decisions, but he was my father nonetheless and I am proud of the good decisions he made and the legacy that allowed me to have. I do neither of these things out of any religious belief. I do them because they are what allows me to put the past behind me and move on as a healthy adult. You can honor without being hurt again. I think we're saying the same thing, just with different words.

heartcream -> RE: Christ Wasnt Crucified: Scholar (6/26/2010 10:15:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pahunkboy it takes 2 to tangle. LOL It only takes one to say no [:D]

thornhappy -> RE: Christ Wasnt Crucified: Scholar (6/26/2010 10:24:26 PM)
Far, far, fewer Jews than fundamentalists Christians. quote: ORIGINAL: DarlingSavage Below is a paragraph from a website which also shows the bible's recommendations for justice regarding breaking any of the 10 commandments. They would not, do not, and have never furthered society nor any part of the human race. However, Christianity has greatly served to hold the human race back and has also fostered hate towards our fellow man and been the root cause of many a war. “Obey Thy Ten Commandments, Or Else”: There are many Christians and Jews who demand that the Ten Commandments should be displayed in public institutions. In my opinion it is only fair that if the commandments are to be displayed, so should the penalties for breaking those commandments. Matter of fact they should be posted in its entirety so that society can see just what kind of crap these religions are feeding us. I also encourage those of you Judeo/Christians who visit here to print out this very list and post it where your children can see it. It’s time you explain to them what a murderous, unjust god you brainwash them into worshiping.

tazzygirl -> RE: Christ Wasnt Crucified: Scholar (6/27/2010 1:05:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarlingSavage As a matter of fact, I just had a very, very nice visit with my mother, who was not a very nice person when I was growing up. The only point I was trying to make is that the 5th and the rest of them were intended to be taken literally. And also, that if someone is abusive to you, you should be able to leave, however, according to the 5th, that would be dishonoring your parents. You can honor your parents and never speak to them again. Honoring may be considered following their rules, living your life as they see it should be lived. It can also be seen as not demeaning them, berating them or belittling them to their faces or to others. "Children, obey your parents in all things: for this is well pleasing unto the Lord. Fathers, provoke not your children to anger, lest they be discouraged," Colossians 3:20-21. "Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. Honor thy father and thy mother; which is the first commandment with promise; That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth. And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord," Ephesians 6:1-4. Two examples that show this is supposed to be a two way street.

eyesopened -> RE: Christ Wasnt Crucified: Scholar (6/27/2010 3:12:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brain Who gives a fuck? I do because we need to stop believing in bullshit to advance as humans. quote: ORIGINAL: marie2 quote: ORIGINAL: Brain I don’t see God because there is no such thing. Why don’t you prove a unicorn is real? You can'tprove a lie. Oh please. The hyperbolic analogies get tiresome. Let's turn this around for a minute. If I started a thread about my belief in unicorns, exactly how much time, energy, and effort would you invest trying to debunk my belief? Or better yet, why would you start a thread in an effort to debunk the belief in unicorns? If the concept of God is such a strong disbelief that it doesn't even qualify as a belief to most atheists, why are you all focusing so much time on it? I come from a family of Italian Catholics on both my maternal and paternal side. My parents were both raised with religion, but I was not raised with religion. I have not raised my own child with religion either. I didn't even get married in a church. Why is it that I've managed to live my entire life (in an entire family of practicing Catholics) not having a problem with those who believe, and never having felt like it was being shoved down my throat? I see a church, like I notice a gas station on the street. It doesn't hurt me, it doesn't effect me...who gives a fuck why someone believes in God and what brought them to those beliefs? And why the fuck should they prove it to anyone? Frankly I'd rather be around happy God believers who are at peace with who they are, than a bunch of disgruntled atheists who lose sleep over things like unicorns. What positive effect does this crusade have on your lives? quote: ORIGINAL: eyesopened quote: ORIGINAL: Brain I'm still looking for God; thought I might find him here. Cool video! I could clearly see my God in it. But really, Brain, don't be both a liar and a hypocrite. If you really know there is no God, why keep looking? You're the only atheist I know who protests so much as to start a thread every month or more. I have never looked for Bigfoot or Mothman. I don't believe either exists. You won't find me starting a thread about those who do. quote: ORIGINAL: Brain You can’t compare believing in God for virtually all your life and having parents who took religion as seriously as mine did, to not believing in Bigfoot. I suppose you can compare the two ideas but I don't think they are similar. “If you really know there is no God, why keep looking?” you said. I thought I knew but some of you guys keep telling me with certitude god is real. Because I like to think I respect other people's opinions I will consider what other people have to say. And I don't think that makes me disingenuous or a liar. I dunno I still see a liar and a hypocrite. You can compare God with unicorns but not with bigfoot. Interesting/

DarlingSavage -> RE: Christ Wasnt Crucified: Scholar (6/27/2010 3:58:34 AM)
quote: You can honor your parents and never speak to them again. Honoring may be considered following their rules, living your life as they see it should be lived. It can also be seen as not demeaning them, berating them or belittling them to their faces or to others. "Children, obey your parents in all things: for this is well pleasing unto the Lord. Fathers, provoke not your children to anger, lest they be discouraged," Colossians 3:20-21. "Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. Honor thy father and thy mother; which is the first commandment with promise; That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth. And, ye fathers, provoke not your children to wrath: but bring them up in the nurture and admonition of the Lord," Ephesians 6:1-4. Two examples that show this is supposed to be a two way street. I will concede that there are some passages in the bible that are worth listening to, however, there are far too many that are just infuriating.

DarlingSavage -> RE: Christ Wasnt Crucified: Scholar (6/27/2010 4:03:18 AM)
quote: Why would you read it so literally? Actually, there's a story about Noah. That's why. After the boat landed, Noah had gone on a drinking binge and got totally shit faced and took off all his clothes. Well, his sons found him naked and picked him up, cleaned him up, and took him to his room. Well, for some reason, Noah decided that they had dishonored him because they saw him naked and they were banished or something like that. I can't remember the passage, but it's in there.

thompsonx -> RE: Christ Wasnt Crucified: Scholar (6/27/2010 4:19:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jeffff Ok... after this I am hopping out. People fuck up good ideas all the time. There is nothing inherently wrong with the 10 commandments. The first three have to do with one's relationship with god, the next seven have to do with one's relationship with others. I can get along with out the first three.

RCdc -> RE: Christ Wasnt Crucified: Scholar (6/27/2010 8:49:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarlingSavage quote: Why would you read it so literally? Actually, there's a story about Noah. That's why. After the boat landed, Noah had gone on a drinking binge and got totally shit faced and took off all his clothes. Well, his sons found him naked and picked him up, cleaned him up, and took him to his room. Well, for some reason, Noah decided that they had dishonored him because they saw him naked and they were banished or something like that. I can't remember the passage, but it's in there. Ham wasnt's banished because he defiled Noah, his 'son' was. There have been various thoughts what that was, whether ridiculing, sodomy or sleeping with Noahs wife. the.dark.

DarlingSavage -> RE: Christ Wasnt Crucified: Scholar (6/27/2010 10:48:08 AM)
quote: Ham wasnt's banished because he defiled Noah, his 'son' was. There have been various thoughts what that was, whether ridiculing, sodomy or sleeping with Noahs wife. It's been a long time since I read the story, so I don't remember all the details ans I'm not gonna go look it up cause I don't keep a bible laying about the house. I've read it and I didn't like or agree with much of anything it had to say. But that's the story as I remember it. I don't know what the guy's name was, but Noah was snot slinging drunk and stripped his clothes off, his son came along and tried to get him cleaned up and dressed and since he saw Noah naked, this was considered dishonoring Noah, his father. Well, if Noah didn't want his son to see him naked, I guess he shouldn't have gotten shitfaced and stripped all his clothes off to the point someone had to come in and take care of him and cover him up and the rest of it. Turns out he really was a crazy old man, after all!

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