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Alphascendant -> RE: Christ Wasnt Crucified: Scholar (6/28/2010 4:03:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead quote: ORIGINAL: Alphascendant I think Christ would have denounced symbolism of any kind, especially the adaption of pre-existing ancient symbols representing pagan beliefs to promote the corruption of his doctrine. http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_symb.htm That's why they had to kill him off before the religion could get going properly. And so they could begin collecting money in the temples/churches again.

Moonhead -> RE: Christ Wasnt Crucified: Scholar (6/28/2010 4:07:19 PM)
True enough. He was very down on that, wasn't he?

LadyCimarron -> RE: Christ Wasnt Crucified: Scholar (6/28/2010 4:17:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Alphascendant quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead quote: ORIGINAL: Alphascendant I think Christ would have denounced symbolism of any kind, especially the adaption of pre-existing ancient symbols representing pagan beliefs to promote the corruption of his doctrine. http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_symb.htm That's why they had to kill him off before the religion could get going properly. And so they could begin collecting money in the temples/churches again. Pretty good racket, too. The church is the largest grossing charitable entity in the world. And its pretty impressive too. Religions have effectively linked giving money to spiritual beliefs. Amazingly handing over money is considered one of the ways to worship God. Therefore believers feel guilty and disconnected from God when they do not give. A little sinister, [sm=evil.gif]but you've got to admire the genius of it.

juliaoceania -> RE: Christ Wasnt Crucified: Scholar (6/28/2010 4:25:56 PM)
The article on which this thread is based upon is not a new theory.... geesh, my mom told me that some historians thought this when I was a teenager. It is not earth shattering by any stretch of the imagination. It is almost on par with saying "the Chinese may have discovered the New World" or "the first Americans may have not come over via the land bridge, but instead arrived along the coastline and skirted glacial ice sheets

thishereboi -> RE: Christ Wasnt Crucified: Scholar (6/29/2010 6:35:33 AM)
quote: Pretty good racket, too. The church is the largest grossing charitable entity in the world. And its pretty impressive too. Yes they do bring in a lot of money and hand out quite a bit also. Religions have effectively linked giving money to spiritual beliefs. Which religion did this? \ Amazingly handing over money is considered one of the ways to worship God. Sounds kinda wacky to me. I have been handing over money for many many years and I have never considered it worshiping anyone. In fact I know a couple athiests who give money to charity and I am pretty sure they don't consider that worship either. Therefore believers feel guilty and disconnected from God when they do not give. I feel bad when I don't have enough money to share with others. It has absolutely nothing to do with God.

LadyCimarron -> RE: Christ Wasnt Crucified: Scholar (6/29/2010 9:01:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi Yes they do bring in a lot of money and hand out quite a bit also. Which religion did this? Sounds kinda wacky to me. I have been handing over money for many many years and I have never considered it worshiping anyone. In fact I know a couple athiests who give money to charity and I am pretty sure they don't consider that worship either. I feel bad when I don't have enough money to share with others. It has absolutely nothing to do with God. I was going to comment on all of these separately, but I realized its not necessary. All I need to do is ask you, have you noticed the amazingly high number of televangelists and televised church services on tv now. They swap prayer cloths, oil, water and promises of healing and "prosperity" in exchange for money. And they are clear to let people know that the money is a donation to God. And believers flock to them like lambs to the slaughter. Every church I know of passes around an offering plate during weekly service. There may be some that don't, but I have never heard of them. And for their members they call it "tithing" a biblical practice of bringing 10% of your earnings to church and leaving it there as a form of worshipping God. They use the old testament of the Bible as the principle for this. And yes some churches do give away a lot of money. Others only use it to help themselves or further their own causes. I give to charity also and I wish more people would. But there is a manipulative manner in which churches "raise an offering to God, Worship God with their tithes and offering, and honor God with their giving." These are terms used in churches all over the country. Most churches have tithing listed in their charter as one of the requirements of membership. I won't even get into the ones that tell poor people "pay God first and trust Him to meet your other needs." I was once even kicked out of a church because my then pastor heard from God that every member of the church was supposed to double their tithes and ordered them to do so. When I told him I couldn't do it without hearing from God personally, I was told that I would no longer be allowed a vote or voice in any church matters until after I doubled my giving. And btw whether giving it to God church or a charity, no one should feel guilty for not having enough to give.

thishereboi -> RE: Christ Wasnt Crucified: Scholar (6/29/2010 4:29:45 PM)
quote: I was going to comment on all of these separately, but I realized its not necessary. All I need to do is ask you, have you noticed the amazingly high number of televangelists and televised church services on tv now. No more than usual. It's a shame that some people will use religion to make a buck, but it's nothing new. People use all kinds of cons to swindle money from others, this is just one of many. It also doesn't mean that all religions and all churches operate the way. If I thought our church was out to make money, I would dump them. But I know they aren't so I don't.

blacksword404 -> RE: Christ Wasnt Crucified: Scholar (7/3/2010 3:24:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brain Who gives a fuck? I do because we need to stop believing in bullshit to advance as humans. That right there is your whole problem. Decide for yourself and only you. There is a petty dictator inside you waiting to get out. All you lack is the army to enforce your will. And enforce you would. You have made that pretty clear.

vincentML -> RE: Christ Wasnt Crucified: Scholar (7/3/2010 7:00:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyCimarron He disputed contemporary science and believed all matter consisted of magnets which could produce measurable phenomena and electricity. He actually did many experiments on Magnetic currents; the foundation for his theories. He wrote about them, left detailed instructions and illustrations about how to duplicate them and even challenged lay people to reproduce them People are still performing the very experiments he did and recorded. Modern science for the most part will not even acknowledge him and disregard the fact that they still cannot explain the coral castle. Here is one of his experiments reproduced. http://www.leedskalnin.com/LeedskalninsPerpetualMotionHolder.html We have gotten way off topic but my whole point in bringing it up, was that both science and religion are systems of beliefs and there are people on both sides who believe things that they cannot prove and both have evidence that some choose to accept or not accept. Bottom line: its ok for people to believe whatever they want to believe. No one has to convince someone else of a God and no one has to convince anyone else of the non-existence of it. Because in the end we all believe whatever we choose to believe. Give us a break, LadyC. Maxwell's equations and theories of electromagnetism were published in the 1860s and 1870s and led to such things as international transmission of radio waves and the understanding of cosmic elctromagnetism. And you want to credit this guy Leedskalnin? Puhlease. Additionally, science and religion are not even kissing cousins. Science is a process of building models of nature based on observations and subject to change when the model fails to predict events. Religion is a system based upon authority and received wisdom and very resistent to change. You make such a facile comparison but really it is not so. Scientific models are always subject to testing and alteration from data. Religious doctrine is dependent on interpretations from ancient books, as well as personal revelations and "born again" reports. Hardly an equivalency.

vincentML -> RE: Christ Wasnt Crucified: Scholar (7/3/2010 7:18:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi quote: ORIGINAL: DarlingSavage What do you think protons and electrons are? They're positively and negatively charged particles that orbit the atomic nucleus. About the atom drawings, well, they were mainly trying to show the main idea of the particles that make up the atom. I haven't read all of this, but so far, he only talks about what he thinks will happen or should happen, but he hasn't done any type of experiment that I can see that shows his hypothesis in action. So far, it's just his thought processes on atomic structure. And he does speculate that the protons and electrons are the polarized charges inside the atom. Gee and I thought the electrons orbited the neutrons and protons[8\|] Only true if you are still enamoured with John Dalton's model of the atom from the early 1800s. A different beast however if you absorb a little of Quantum Theory from the early 1900s and find you are dealing with the mathematical probabilities of energy levels of electrons and that the electrons can be boasted to higher energy levels or fall to more stable energy levels. Sort of explains why photons will cause your calculator to provide a digital read out of calculations even though it has no battery or why solar energy can be converted into electricity or why solid state microchips can direct your computer to deliver pictures of nekkid people. And all of that without having to carve out eleven zillion tons of coral rocks. [8\|] Tricky to keep up with these little fuckers, the electrons - all kinds of crap about sub orbitals and angles and magnetic fields and regions of density around the nucleus. A big NO to John Dalton's solar system model of the atom. Long dead and buried. Well, what the hell. Scientific models change with new data but religious doctrine is hard to move unless someone like Galileo or Darwin comes along to make a challenging point.

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