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RE: When does helping, turn into enabling? - 6/27/2010 8:43:46 PM   
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I tell you who really gets my goat....It's those Goddam lazy veterans that come home and now for some reason are unable to support themselves.




Is there something in the water, or is it just the first really hot day of the summer everywhere?


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RE: When does helping, turn into enabling? - 6/27/2010 8:48:19 PM   
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It reminds me of just the other day when I wa

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RE: When does helping, turn into enabling? - 6/27/2010 9:01:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: domiguy

I tell you who really gets my goat....It's those Goddam lazy veterans that come home and now for some reason are unable to support themselves.

So they suffer from a touch of PTSD or a brain injury.

They were given tremendous training and skills and every opportunity to excel and be incredibly viable in the current U.S. economy. Their overall laziness and "can't do" mentality is incredibly disheartening and should not be rewarded by allowing them to suck any more benefits off of the American tax payer.

Boys and girls, it's time to sink or swim. I have no problem letting you starve.


No Domiguy. It's the old people who have outlived their usefulness. They've raised families, worked for years, contributed to society, history, wisdom. Now all they do is complain about arthritis, blindness, bad knees and for goodness sake! Don't let one of them fall! They can't get back up! I say make them into crackers and feed them to young people!

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RE: When does helping, turn into enabling? - 6/27/2010 9:38:49 PM   
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RE: When does helping, turn into enabling? - 6/27/2010 9:44:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Way too expensive, DG. Let's just send them into a gov't run hospital and they can die in the ER lobby, while a janitor with a better pension and health package than they ever had mops around them.

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RE: When does helping, turn into enabling? - 6/27/2010 11:06:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Seriously, DG, I really think we should shut down the federal jobs program that sends these guys into the wringer for a couple years, so a bunch of civil "servants" have something to do all day.

At he same time, Kim made a great point above, about too much help becoming disabling. The last thing we want to do to a guy who came out hurt is proceed to cripple him as well.

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RE: When does helping, turn into enabling? - 6/27/2010 11:31:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: domiguy

I tell you who really gets my goat....It's those Goddam lazy veterans that come home and now for some reason are unable to support themselves.

So they suffer from a touch of PTSD or a brain injury.

They were given tremendous training and skills and every opportunity to excel and be incredibly viable in the current U.S. economy. Their overall laziness and "can't do" mentality is incredibly disheartening and should not be rewarded by allowing them to suck any more benefits off of the American tax payer.

HEY......I resemble that remark!!!

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and one look at my ass will tell you I ain't starving. while you looking you can kiss my ass too
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RE: When does helping, turn into enabling? - 6/28/2010 4:03:26 AM   
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ORIGINAL: domiguy

I tell you who really gets my goat....It's those Goddam lazy veterans that come home and now for some reason are unable to support themselves.

So they suffer from a touch of PTSD or a brain injury.

They were given tremendous training and skills and every opportunity to excel and be incredibly viable in the current U.S. economy. Their overall laziness and "can't do" mentality is incredibly disheartening and should not be rewarded by allowing them to suck any more benefits off of the American tax payer.

Boys and girls, it's time to sink or swim. I have no problem letting you starve.


LOLOLOL......christ....you're killing me. You people should be saying to yourselves about right now....there must be something wrong with me...domiguy is a more compassionate human being than I am.

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RE: When does helping, turn into enabling? - 6/28/2010 4:05:41 AM   
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Thought you would like that.....

It reminds me of just the other day when I was in my mandals and pink shirt staring at men's asses. It was hot.



There I finished it for you.......if you're going to leave it open, I'm going to fill it in with what I want.

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RE: When does helping, turn into enabling? - 6/28/2010 4:54:21 AM   
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Bita..... this is a bit off topic,,,,but with all the traveling you do.....have you guys ever considered adding a thin white guy from Chicago ?

I think I would really dig northern Italy.

Well, how flexible are you? Maybe we can squeeze you into a carry on. I actually go through Chi-town a lot on my way to CA on lay overs sometimes for as long as 8 or 10 hours. Next trip in August is a non-stop from Germany to SFO but maybe the trip after that (probably at Xmas time) I can find a flight that goes through your neck of the woods and get the chance to meet you. After getting to experience the coffee in Europe though, US coffee sucks in comparison so we'll have to stick with having a beer.

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RE: When does helping, turn into enabling? - 6/28/2010 4:56:41 AM   
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RE: When does helping, turn into enabling? - 6/28/2010 6:50:42 AM   
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RE: When does helping, turn into enabling? - 6/28/2010 6:55:33 AM   
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RE: When does helping, turn into enabling? - 6/28/2010 12:39:48 PM   
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domiguy is a more compassionate human being than I am.

Yeah..that's gonna last.

Okay laurell..Sell everything you have and give it to the poor..Let's all do that!

Whose talking about people that deserve assistance anyway..and no, not everyone is automatically entitled (entitlement ruins more than M/s relationships) to it in my book. Give give give till it hurts though...just not so much out of your pocket at one time, right?


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RE: When does helping, turn into enabling? - 6/28/2010 1:42:18 PM   
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The problem is there is no incentive to crawl out of the hole.  Every time someone proposes a Workfare type plan it is voted down.  There is a social conspiracy to keep the poor and lower classes from actually achieving something better.

When you consider that the lower classes are less likely to vote, there is no change in the power structure.  Should Workfare every become the law of the land, and should the chances at higher education ever become equal, the social structure of this country would change dramatically.



What about the Welfare Reform Act of 1996? I think it ended welfare as you think you know it, jlf.

The 1996 Welfare Reform Act, officially the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act of 1996, fulfilled President William Jefferson Clinton's oftrepeated campaign promise "to end welfare as we know it." It replaced the federal program of Aid to Dependent Children (ADC), founded in 1935 as part of the Social Security Act, and later known as Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC).




The Welfare Reform Act also contains a social conspiracy. It forced single parents on their way to improving their lives by continuing their education to quit school. I knew a guy in high school who got his girlfriend pregnant. They married and obtained their college degrees while receiving public assistance. They were able to do this before The Welfare Reform Act. Years later, when I was pregnant with my son and temporarily on public assistance, I told them I wanted to do the same thing and was told I couldn't because of the Welfare Reform Act. I was told I had to maintain a full time job while attending college in addition to caring for my YOUNG child. No college and no trade school. The best they could offer me was a three month training program to obtain a $10/hr job. What a joke!! One of my college professors was a social worker. He told how he was forced to kick students off of public assistance because of the Welfare Reform Act. Wouldn't it make more sense to encourage continuing education so not only would they be off assistance, but their kids wouldn't need it when they were ready for college because their parent who now had a real career would be able to afford to pay for their child's college?


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