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People who dislike the Police. - 6/26/2010 4:05:28 PM   
AQuietSimpleMan


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Status: offline 		Okay so Nineveh made a comment in the "Woman goes topless to quiet neighbors" thread and I did not want to de-rail the thread so I want to start a new one here about how people view Authority and why.

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Original Post: Ninveh

I agree that working it out without resorting to police or nudity is a much better solution. However sometimes that is not possible. In those cases I know I'd prefer seeing boobies (even saggy old ones) rather than cops at the door. I think my daughter would be much more traumatized by cops at the door rather than by nudity.


I find it odd that someone would say this. I see police as Civil Servants there to Keep the Piece, I personally have Had quite a few run in's with the law, Some where I was breaking it and I was treated like a criminal, and some where I wasn't breaking it and I was treated like a citizen.

Now I have respect for Police and so their authority is one I agree to them having. When I have needed the Police and called them I have alwars got a responce and when I was a Law Breaker I had them called on me and as long as I was docile and accepting that I was being taken into custody I was treated pretty well as soon as they could determine that I wasn't a threat.

So My Question to Nineveh and anyone else who reads this thread,

How do you feel about Police (Or those of a government or Military stated authority) and why do you feel the way you do?

Specifically for those who do not like police, why exactly do you dislike police, what it is that made you feel that way, and why do you think all police should be held to the actions of what would most likely be seen as a small few.

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RE: People who dislike the Police. - 6/26/2010 4:13:23 PM   
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I have no complaints on the 4 county area.

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RE: People who dislike the Police. - 6/26/2010 4:23:45 PM   
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RE: People who dislike the Police. - 6/26/2010 4:25:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		I work in the court system, which means being around a lot of cops. They're like anyone else, some are terrific people, some are jackasses.

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RE: People who dislike the Police. - 6/26/2010 4:25:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't trust people's motives in general and I don't think becoming a police officer necessarily means that person has then grown beyond human fallibility or weakness of character.

You see police officers getting charged with crimes themselves quite often. A number of met police are still even in the force after being found guilty of assault. I don't know how this can be but it doesn't lend itself to the public becoming more trusting. If we all could trust the police then there wouldn't be the need for organisations such as the IPCC.

Like all people in power or with some kind of authority we have to trust their motives for wanting to be in that position, which is hard to do. Are they just power hungry freaks or do they want to change society for the better, it's probably 50/50 in my estimation.

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RE: People who dislike the Police. - 6/26/2010 4:37:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		The local police are incredibly corrupt, however that was not actually the reason for my statement.  As someone who is not involved in the criminal justice system I am only going to be interacting with the police for two reasons in most cases.  Either I am involved in some way with the commision of a crime (as suspect or witness) or I am the victim of a crime.  Both of these are fairly traumatic experiences and something I seek to avoid.  If the police are dropping by to enforce some petty neighborhood dispute (which has happened a couple of times, I have one very petty neighbor who doesn't like to go to the neighbors with her problems directly) then I am in the same space as if I have been accused of a crime, in a literal sense I have been accused of a crime.  

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RE: People who dislike the Police. - 6/26/2010 4:51:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've had bad experiences with police in my very distant past and I now work with them on a daily basis. Unfortunately I see a lot of stuff that goes on behind the scenes and imo there's a lot that happens that just isn't right or moral for my tastes.

I won't go so far as to say I dislike them and I won't refuse to call them if I truly need to have them help me with something but I will tread lightly when or if I ever have to.

And from experience with just having a friend cop stop by my house one night when I wasn't home, my daughter was definitely more traumatized by that since she's afraid of any authority figure, than by nudity. Nudity to her isn't that big a deal. She just thinks it's tasteless and tacky.

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RE: People who dislike the Police. - 6/26/2010 5:03:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		actually, that depends to me in the country I am...back home I have quite a lot of respect for them..worked also a lot with them over 2 years in the court system and also over 2 years in their departments as PA (to do their paperwork)...I happened to get to know there many good ones and some not so good ones of course...

over here...when I needed them once and they could have access that person details if they would have bothered, they couldn't have cared less.... so quite frankly in Germany I take them serious over here I would like to but so far its more likely not going to happen...

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RE: People who dislike the Police. - 6/26/2010 5:16:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Our police department has a history of corruption. They have assaulted and brutalized citizens, been caught taking pay offs from drug dealers and been featured on at least 4 different national tv shows regarding police corruption. The community hates them. And as much as the community has protested and repeatedly demanded reform it has not happened.

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RE: People who dislike the Police. - 6/26/2010 5:56:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyCimarron

Our police department has a history of corruption. They have assaulted and brutalized citizens, been caught taking pay offs from drug dealers and been featured on at least 4 different national tv shows regarding police corruption. The community hates them. And as much as the community has protested and repeatedly demanded reform it has not happened.


That was a reason why my department was in the press 12 years ago...as 3 officers weren't very close to the truth either...2 of them got sacked successfully, the 3rd not....the first one (have no problem to mention it as the papers were full with it, I heard in the news at that time that my managers got sacked as I was off sick for 2 weeks due to a virus) which was my manager started to take drugs himself (from the confiscated one), his deputy didn't always give all the money to drug-addicts they were entitled to for giving useful information to the police and also pretended to have been robbed after leaving a jewellery store...a daddy of 6 kids who had a pretty good income...obviously wasn't enough for him....and the 3rd person made a lie in front of the court which lead to imprisonment from an innocent italian guy...many months later it was to read in the press that this man still wasn't released at that time...so don't know how long he was jailed from the 7 years he was given but hope he could leave soon after that was disclosed in the papers....now...with that officer the police never got rid of....he is still on full pay despite not working for them. The laws in Germany are very tight, particular if you are working for the state. And the reason was, so I am told, that they can only get rid off him if he received a jail term for over 12 months, as he only got a 12 month suspended jail term for his lie at court they can't sack him. They even reduced his salary to 2/3 but he appealed against it and he won. So since 12 years he gets every month his huge salary (he was on a high rank) but does not have to move a finger for it...and he was approx. 45 when that scandal happened...that are the moments when laws can be a pain in regards to protecting it's citizens...

however, overall I do trust these guys at home...but it was a weird feeling to hear in the news whilst driving that my managers and another one got sacked (whilst I was ill I still went to my flat - stayed at my parents place most of my sickness in those days - as I had cleaning schedule and the bitch on the groundfloor was a pain....and from the options to potentially worsen and potentially having her in my ears the next 4 months for not doing it I chose the first option and it did worsen it for another while...). Back home I then called colleagues and demanded answers...where at first they played innocent so I told them what I knew from the news, following which they realised they can scrap their shit confidentiality stuff until I return to work as I knew already

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RE: People who dislike the Police. - 6/26/2010 6:04:39 PM   
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RE: People who dislike the Police. - 6/26/2010 6:06:00 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AQuietSimpleMan
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I find it odd that someone would say this. I see police as Civil Servants there to Keep the Piece, I personally have Had quite a few run in's with the law, Some where I was breaking it and I was treated like a criminal, and some where I wasn't breaking it and I was treated like a citizen. 

 
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Good post and  I agree with most of it, but I just want to say thanks for telling me why I can not get any.  The damn cops are keeping it all to them selves.

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RE: People who dislike the Police. - 6/26/2010 6:07:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah I just noticed that .... Could not go back and edit it out. and Spell Check doesn't catch words spelled correctly that are just the wrong word.

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RE: People who dislike the Police. - 6/26/2010 6:09:32 PM   
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RE: People who dislike the Police. - 6/26/2010 6:12:32 PM   
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I've had both bad and good experiences with cops. For the most part, I do have a negative stereotypical view of them, however. But I know that some, or most of them are good guys, and should not be judged because of some of the bad apples who exploit because of their position. And I do have an appreciation for the fact that they risk their lives every single day on the job. Even a simple traffic stop is uncertain. Frankly, you couldn't pay me enough to be a cop.

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RE: People who dislike the Police. - 6/26/2010 6:15:26 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

Maybe it is just that one section of Germany?


unfortunately not....at a similar time the munich police was in the press about big bullying problems inside their crowds...

and the problem with institutions like the police is sometimes that if one person has a problem with you and that person is well liked...the fire spreads fast.

Before those officers were sacked I enforced no-smoking-policy within our PA office per managers word...I tried it at first nicely but it didn't work, a la you can't demand that from us we can smoke in your office if we want...when I made clear that I am not afraid of going via the manager I was laughed at that he smokes himself anyway, so if I think that would help I should go but that wouldn't change a thing...

well...I went (as long as they were only smoking whilst working with us to get documents done for courts or so my colleague and I tolerated it, however it had developed into their social room to have a fag and thats where we started to get pissed off about that situation) and the next day the manager made clear (only used about 3 sentences, he didnt need many words to make himself understood) that there is no need to smoke in the office from two non-smokers....well, once he was sacked about 3 months later it was "pay back time"...and then it does not matter where you continue your work the fire spreads, people find out to which department you change they know staff there and try to make sure you are receiving there hell on earth as well...

my luck only was that in those 2 I was there were quite a few who didn't go with the flow and who spoke up against it...and that helped to finish my work there in peace at the end...there were quite a few handsome chaps who did not tolerate it despite that some got really personal and really nasty with their attitude at me...however, their actions against it were really powerful for my soul so it didn't bother me too much. I am just grateful that there were about eight staff or so who did not tolerate that crap and made it clear. two of them were my last 2 managers (they removed me from the 2nd last manager when they realised that he was incredible supportive and keen on making my temporary contract into a permanent one, so they moved me to work for the uniformed ones...they had less power to achieve goals further up than the ones without uniform...at least in our city).

however, I had great final 9 months before my contract was finished and that was at least something after 10 months of hell...

also within my 10 troublesome months I was supposed to help out at a different department as they would be sooooooooooo short staffed and would need help...once I was there there was next to nothing to do for days and thats just not how I work, even less when I knew that my colleague at my department was drowning in work...I said something about that fact which again...didnt go well and I was sent back to where I came from *lol*...later I was informed that they had the plan to move me to that department permanent (well, why can't they then play with open cards and just tell me *sigh*)...on the plus side, my complaint about that matter seems to have contributed for that manager to be taken off his manager post...many people complained about his bullying manners and so not that long after I was sent away he was taken off his chair as he was considered as being inhumane to work for as staff...now one of the guys who stood up big time against the bullying in my department got that post And before I left I sent him a thank you letter, as it was nice that he did act on what he saw despite that he only worked for 3 weeks in our department during his training time to become a hgher rank cop.

therefore...policeforces can be funny particular...when you are rather assertive at times

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RE: People who dislike the Police. - 6/26/2010 6:28:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		i'm pretty indifferent on the work that they carry out. one thing i would like to ask though, what ever happened to the rule that policeman had to be at least 5'6 or more? Increasingly i am seeing more and more ridiculously short, unfit or otherwise inadequate looking policemen and women. Its just not right, policemen should look well hard.

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RE: People who dislike the Police. - 6/26/2010 6:31:38 PM   
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i'm pretty indifferent on the work that they carry out. one thing i would like to ask though, what ever happened to the rule that policeman had to be at least 5'6 or more? Increasingly i am seeing more and more ridiculously short, unfit or otherwise inadequate looking policemen and women. Its just not right, policemen should look well hard.


They are undermined almost nationwide. Some departments are so short of manpower that they had to retool their requirements. BTW- there was no real reason for the height requirement in the first place. Even the military has changed that standard.

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RE: People who dislike the Police. - 6/26/2010 6:35:59 PM   
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Discriminiation, if they can pass the academy or the POST acredidation then they can be police officers. The biggest issue is that once they pass they are not required to requalify to remain a police officer.

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RE: People who dislike the Police. - 6/26/2010 6:38:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's been my experience in the various departments I have worked with over the years that good cops usually means good management. In the departments where they were expected to actually serve the public and do so as politely and professionally as possible the management seeks those type of individuals that truly are dedicated and I've seen some fantastic men and women that were absolutely a benefit to society that I would want any child I know to learn from and many that I still call friend. In other departments where the management is all about getting by in any way they can, I've seen some cops I wouldn't call if my life depended on it. Of course there are execptions, but good management tends to find a way to get rid of bad cops.


I do think there are many people that don't realize that there are good and bad of every profession and occupation and operate under a conspiracy theory that anyone in power must be bad. In that case, it doesn't matter who their children are around, they're going to learn the dysfunctional attitude their parents have anyway.

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