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Why are so many non-Believers so narrow minded? - 6/27/2010 10:34:38 PM   
Marini


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Status: offline 		Why are so many non-Believers/agnostics/and or whatever you want to call yourselves so narrow minded?
I make no secret that I am a "BELIEVER" in the GODDESS/GOD/my CREATOR, 100 times infinity. 

I have never said, that I "Believe" 100% in the Bible/and or everything written and/or stated about Jesus Christ.
 
There are probably as many types of Believers as there are non-Believers.
I get tired of all Believers being thrown in similar boats.
 
I consider myself more Spiritual than anything else, when it comes to my faith.
I am not bound by the dogma of many "Believers/especially Christian Believers.

I was recently invited to a very spirit filled non-DENOMINATIONAL church that is led by an openly gay pastor.
I can't wait to go, and  I am sure I will find the spirit of my GODDESS/GOD/CREATOR there, as much as I find the spirit in many of the DENOMINATIONAL churches I have attended.
 
Many of us are very open minded about our beliefs, and believe there is more than "one way" or "one path".

 
Please don't assume all Believers can be put into neat little boxes, many "Believers" are able to BELIEVE and still think way out of the box.
 
Peace and Blessings to all!


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RE: Why are so many non-Believers so narrow minded? - 6/27/2010 10:37:39 PM   
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I feel another 50 pager coming up.  

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RE: Why are so many non-Believers so narrow minded? - 6/27/2010 10:39:47 PM   
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I feel another 50 pager coming up.  


Well, I am at peace and very happy, at least I am not going to testify.
Just wave your hands towards the sky, if the spirit leads you.


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RE: Why are so many non-Believers so narrow minded? - 6/27/2010 10:47:04 PM   
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I am a beleiver too, but I can't pretend that I don't understand why non-believers are narrow-minded. They came by it honestly.

Most of them were brought up in the church....so narrow-mindedness is sort of the last remaining brick of their faith. We believers are just as narrow minded. Trust me the church has made ME want to be a non-believer so many times I can't even count. That's why I don't really see them as wrong, but just as someone who doesn't see the world the same way I do. And personally I'm ok with that. I debate with them because I enjoy intelligent debate, not because I want to change their minds about believing.

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RE: Why are so many non-Believers so narrow minded? - 6/27/2010 10:48:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not sure how many honest answers you`re going to get seeing as your premise is insulting.To assign bad intentions to someone is the surest way to kill a discussion with them or find common ground.



Of course,that may all be by design.


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RE: Why are so many non-Believers so narrow minded? - 6/27/2010 10:49:19 PM   
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RE: Why are so many non-Believers so narrow minded? - 6/27/2010 10:50:37 PM   
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Come on now.

I am a beleiver too, but I can't pretend that I don't understand why non-believers are narrow-minded. They came by it honestly.

Most of them were brought up in the church....so narrow-mindedness is sort of the last remaining brick of their faith. We believers are just as narrow minded. Trust me the church has made ME want to be a non-believer so many times I can't even count. That's why I don't really see them as wrong, but just as someone who doesn't see the world the same way I do. And personally I'm ok with that. I debate with them because I enjoy intelligent debate, not because I want to change their minds about believing.


<--------------- is really, really, liking the Lady C.
I totally agree Lady C., one of the nastiest and meanest people, I have had the "DIS-pleasure" to work with used to read the Bible {or pretend to read it} in the lounge, before work.
As long as I live, I will never forget that walking piece of contradiction.
lol

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RE: Why are so many non-Believers so narrow minded? - 6/27/2010 11:01:30 PM   
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Not sure how many honest answers you`re going to get seeing as your premise is insulting.To assign bad intentions to someone is the surest way to kill a discussion with them or find common ground.



Of course,that may all be by design.



I really did not mean to be antagonistic.
I just wanted to point out that all Believers and Christians do not think the same, share the same beliefs, or even like large numbers of other "Christians" or "Believers".
 
It is possible to be a "Christian" and a "Believer" and not go along with "group think" or everything  the crowd believes in.
It is possible to be a Christian and believe the Bible has been tampered with, and have "doubts/and or concerns" about some of the statements written about Jesus Christ.
 
You can be a Christian, and think way out of the "box", and have doubts/and wonder about the extent of tampering that has occurred in the Bible.

There are many different types of Christians, and "Believers".

I just have never seen this viewpoint, fully stated.

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RE: Why are so many non-Believers so narrow minded? - 6/27/2010 11:03:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Marini

Why are so many non-Believers/agnostics/and or whatever you want to call yourselves so narrow minded?
I make no secret that I am a "BELIEVER" in the GODDESS/GOD/my CREATOR, 100 times infinity. 

I have never said, that I "Believe" 100% in the Bible/and or everything written and/or stated about Jesus Christ.
 
There are probably as many types of Believers as there are non-Believers.
I get tired of all Believers being thrown in similar boats.
 
I consider myself more Spiritual than anything else, when it comes to my faith.
I am not bound by the dogma of many "Believers/especially Christian Believers.

I was recently invited to a very spirit filled non-DENOMINATIONAL church that is led by an openly gay pastor.
I can't wait to go, and  I am sure I will find the spirit of my GODDESS/GOD/CREATOR there, as much as I find the spirit in many of the DENOMINATIONAL churches I have attended.
 
Many of us are very open minded about our beliefs, and believe there is more than "one way" or "one path".

 
Please don't assume all Believers can be put into neat little boxes, many "Believers" are able to BELIEVE and still think way out of the box.
 
Peace and Blessings to all!


Greetings Marini:

It seems to me that there are definite differences between the Right-Wing Evangelical Religious believers VS Spiritually based believers. I tend to go the other way when I encounter a Right-Wing Evangelical Religious believer. My experiences with those I have encountered have been less than what I care to ever duplicate. Even still I for one believe that all Faiths are of value.

There are various World Religions and then there are those who have found a pathway through Spirituality. I being one. I have my own personal Spiritual beliefs that I cherish and have integrated into my personal belief system. I do not though wave a banner for everyone to convert to how I believe. I simply do my best at living what I believe while accepting the differences for all people, even the ones who tend to be the first in line to stone those who believe differently.

Regarding those who do not identify with any Spiritual path or Religion well I accept that everyone must work out there own way on this Earth and it is not my business to convert or condemn anyone due to there personal choices regardless what they believe when it comes to Spirituality or Religion. It is plenty to keep myself Spirituality focused let alone attempting to infuse my path with those who have their own to walk in there own personal journey.

In closing I want to let you know that I appreciate you posting what you did as it allowed me an opportunity to post a reply that I could not have posted had you not braved the waters OR rather forged the path for a discussion on this controversial topic. Thank you much, Marini.

May the Peace and Blessings you wish for others return to you in abounding measures of Goodness.

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RE: Why are so many non-Believers so narrow minded? - 6/27/2010 11:07:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		What a wonderfully written and well thought out post.
 
I just don't see enough written about Spirituality, having Fatih in a Supreme Being, and being free to walk your own path, and find your own way.
 
Thank you Zevar, for stating your points of views, so much more eloquently
than I ever could have.
 

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RE: Why are so many non-Believers so narrow minded? - 6/27/2010 11:09:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		]I just wanted to point out that all non-Believers and non-Christians do not think the same, share the same beliefs, or even like large numbers of other "non-Christians" or "non-Believers".

It is possible to be a "non-Christian" and a "non-Believer" and not go along with "group think" or everything  the crowd believes in.

It is possible to be a non-Christian and believe that the majority of people, whether religious or not, are actually good, intelligent people.

You can be a non-Christian, and think way out of the "box", and support and respect and refuse to pigeonhole those who choose to believe in a deity which guides their life.

There are many different types of non-Christians, and "non-Believers".



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RE: Why are so many non-Believers so narrow minded? - 6/27/2010 11:26:43 PM   
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Why are so many non-Believers/agnostics/and or whatever you want to call yourselves so narrow minded?

Maybe just maybe what you perceive as narrow mindedness is people responding to your talking about something they have no interest in. I certainly am bored beyond words by people preaching to me. It really doesn't make much difference if it is a conserevative evangelical or some "new age" crystal enthuisiast. I'll try to be polite to the ones not trying to force their beliefs on me and society as a whole but that doesn't mean I want to hear anything about them.

You see from my point of view the kindest thing that can be said about religions/spirtual movements/ faiths is that they sometimes produce great art. But the details of all of them strikes me as patently absurd in the extreme. Whether its worshipping a guy who rose from the dead on the 3rd day on a Sunday after dying on a Friday (wait a sec, 3 days?) or some tale of Xenu and volcanoes or whatever doesn't matter. So if you don't want me to feel the need to point out the absurdities of your beliefs, don't talk to me about your beliefs.

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RE: Why are so many non-Believers so narrow minded? - 6/28/2010 1:06:11 AM   
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RE: Why are so many non-Believers so narrow minded? - 6/28/2010 1:59:34 AM   
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Okay So tell me why so many BELIEVERS think all the OTHER believers who aren't BELIEVING what they BELIEVE are Wrong?

Just as Adamantly as BELIEVERS stick to thier BELIEFS, Non BELIEVERS should also Stick to THEIR Beliefs.

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RE: Why are so many non-Believers so narrow minded? - 6/28/2010 2:28:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		Why are so many christians so narrow-minded about other christians?  That has always puzzled me.  All the infighting about who's a "real christian" or not.  Curioser and curioser.

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RE: Why are so many non-Believers so narrow minded? - 6/28/2010 3:49:58 AM   
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Status: offline 		I suspect that religion is not the true issue, but intolerance of other views in general.

I believe that it's a question of life experience.  If someone grows up the child of a construction worker in Alabama, and becomes a construction worker in Alabama, they will spend all their life around a certain socioeconomic stratum and a set of beliefs.  They will believe that everyone thinks the way that they do, and that the media is distorting the news.  Same with someone who grows up the child of Washington bureaucrats...  This may explain why Nixon created the "silent majority", because he could not imagine so many disagreeing with him.

As far as religion goes, I've been nominally Jewish, agnostic, and Jewish for real.  I've attended synagogues, Catholic masses, a Native American healing ritual, a Baptist service, a, American Methodist Episcopalian service, and a Unitarian service...


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RE: Why are so many non-Believers so narrow minded? - 6/28/2010 4:02:13 AM   
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we can only be responsible for ourself.

People build themself into boxes all the time.

Alot of things are negative.

So when someone can be positive- Great.

I been to a gay church a few times.

Yesterday I went to 2 churches.   It just worked out that way.

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RE: Why are so many non-Believers so narrow minded? - 6/28/2010 4:15:33 AM   
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What a stupid and insulting question...the answer: For the same reason so many believer's are narrow-minded.

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RE: Why are so many non-Believers so narrow minded? - 6/28/2010 4:44:59 AM   
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WHat a dumbass thread.

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RE: Why are so many non-Believers so narrow minded? - 6/28/2010 4:47:04 AM   
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