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Strunk & White - 7/8/2010 6:04:12 AM   
ElizabethAnne


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In having a conversation with a friend, we were talk about grammar, spelling, etc.  In reading a post, what irks you the most, a spelling error done on purpose, ie, "prolly";  What word always sticks out for you?

How does a person's use of grammar and spelling affect your view of the person, and the post?  Or does it?  I was told once long ago, all we have are words on the net, so it's important to attempt to try to get it right. 

I'm curious if I am the only person that gets irked when reading posts.

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RE: Strunk & White - 7/8/2010 6:05:03 AM   
Jeffff


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Ok. seriously, on the net , no it doen't really bother me. Text and slashy type bother a bit.

Ofcorse I am a shitty typist and a worse speller. Here I am more interested in the idea behind a post. If it has merit, I am likely to cut the poster some slack.

In person I hate bad grammar. " I don't have none" and shit like that.

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RE: Strunk & White - 7/8/2010 6:09:09 AM   
ElizabethAnne


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Try putting "is prolly a word" in a search engine. 

heh...

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RE: Strunk & White - 7/8/2010 6:09:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		i always cringe and wonder if they TALK like THAT in person as well! that would make me crazy.. but then grown ups talking "Baby talk" seems silly to me and grates on my nerves. lol I am so used to reading ( and typing! lol ) typos that i read it as it as if it was spelled correctly. maybe alittle immune to it now.

People are So Funny! lol

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RE: Strunk & White - 7/8/2010 6:30:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		It doesn't bother me if it's obvious that they are doing it on purpose. It's the unintentional ones that chafe.
Its and its
Their, there and they're
These kinds of errors.


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RE: Strunk & White - 7/8/2010 6:37:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		I used to be more anal about grammar mistakes (hey, I was studying to become an English teacher), but by growing up I assume, I have let the need to correct people's grammar go. Although I once was sent a sublist that was so horribly full of typos I just corrected the sublist's errors, sent it back empty and said: "Maybe you should send this version to your next sub." and never talked to him again. Oh, to be 19 again. But now I can pretty much just let it slide. I have come off my high horse and accepted not everyone thinks spelling is that important.

It weren't words like "prolly" that bothered me so much as what DesFIP described.

Edited for typo, oh the ironing

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RE: Strunk & White - 7/8/2010 7:09:25 AM   
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Hello again,

Thanks for all your thoughts.   Which makes me wonder, when and why have we lowered our standards.   As far as wrong word usage, one that gets me is "accept and except".  Grrrr.  I think everyone has on occasion had a typo or two, yet, there are those that continually do it on purpose.   A common reason I have heard is "I'm dyslexic"; I was unaware of how many people suffered from dyslexia.   Every time that is said, I want to respond....you ever hear of ..spell check?   grammar check?  Or is it just no one really cares.  Scary thought, sad too, to think of how many people are either just too lazy or unconcerned to bother to try to get it right.

Elizabeth



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RE: Strunk & White - 7/8/2010 8:01:39 AM   
Elisabella


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Status: offline 		idk what rly bothers me is liek acronyms. and internets slang. lolwut? idk why ppl have to tlak in internets slang just cuz they're on the internets. omg and ppl who cnat fix their typos and who mix up there and thar. lawl.

ooooooooomg and those ppl who ~liek~ have to use ~tildes~ and *asterisks*! to emphasize~! their words.

o ya and ppl who say liek alot.

grammor or gtfo.

teeheee I couldn't resist.

Serious reply though - I do think spelling, grammar and style affect the way a post is perceived. I also think that nonstandard grammatical styles can be used to indicate tone in a text based medium.

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RE: Strunk & White - 7/8/2010 8:06:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		I misspell on forums on purpose. It is a linguistic tool to denote a more personalized way of speaking. I am not writing an article when I post here. This is not a professional document...

When you read a novel and people are speaking to each other in it, the author will use misspelling to denote vernacular, accent, prosody, and inflection within speech. I try to do the same thing in my posts sometimes. Now I suppose if that irritates you, you will just have to get the fuck over yourself

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RE: Strunk & White - 7/8/2010 8:10:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		Language morphs over time into two, more or less, forms: formal and conversational.

Here's an example. When I tried to learn Spanish in high school, I found out much later that what I was being taught was the formal form of the language. Trying to use it on the street earned me some nice jovial laughter because what I learned was no longer used in every day life. That was over thirty years ago.

The other kids studying French, German, and Russian all had the same issue; they were learning the formal forms of those languages and not that which would be useful in the everyday world.

Thus, the English language would be no different.

There are times when the formal form of any language should be used and times when the conversational form gets the point across even better. In this era of digital text communications, people will use whatever form suits them... or whatever form gets their point across the best.

As for the never ending problems people seem to have regarding the correct spelling of certain words, such as they're, there, and their, consider this. When people speak and use those words, does the listener ask the speaker to spell out which of those words they're using to make sure they're using the "correct" word for the context of the conversation? I've not seen it happen. For many, the internet texts fly off fingers in the same way as the typist would speak it. As long as the word sounds like the one they would use while speaking, they're not going to be concerned about the proper spelling of it.



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RE: Strunk & White - 7/8/2010 8:11:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		I type like I talk, which is southern.  Course, I am mighty proud to have gotten a new keyboard and being able to use caps again where they are needed.  Does that make me more classy and worldly?

I don't really care about typos or bad spelling.  I can usually figure out what they meant if I care enough to do so.

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RE: Strunk & White - 7/8/2010 8:11:55 AM   
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I type like I talk, which is southern.


I have a friend in Georgia that types southern... I love love love it.

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RE: Strunk & White - 7/8/2010 8:14:41 AM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

quote:

I type like I talk, which is southern.


I have a friend in Georgia that types southern... I love love love it.
From what my funny talkin yankee friends tell me, my typin is way easier to understand than my talkin.

Course, they talk funny as hell so wtf do they know anyhow...

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RE: Strunk & White - 7/8/2010 8:17:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't get irked. I'm not that superficial.

We all make errors, or have typos and misspellings occasionally. I am usually doing 4 or 5 things when on the forums. I honestly could care less if my spelling and grammar are perfect here. They are when it matters.

Netspeak does get annoying. I can't really see being too lazy to type out three letter words personally.

Purposeful misspellings to illustrate are fine and actually give some life to words when used appropriately. I say "ain't", lol and others on the boards, I rarely would ever say them in real life unless it's under similar circumstances. Although I have caught myself almost saying lol out loud at work, which might raise a few eyebrows.








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RE: Strunk & White - 7/8/2010 8:22:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: laurell3

Although I have caught myself almost saying lol out loud at work, which might raise a few eyebrows.


I've totally started saying lol out loud, because so many of the guys I play video games with do. I hear it so often it's incorporated into my vocabulary.

Strangely I never use it while I'm actually laughing out loud. I wonder if the internet has made me forget how to laugh, and now all I can do is lol.

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RE: Strunk & White - 7/8/2010 8:26:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

idk what rly bothers me is liek acronyms. and internets slang. lolwut? idk why ppl have to tlak in internets slang just cuz they're on the internets. omg and ppl who cnat fix their typos and who mix up there and thar. lawl.

ooooooooomg and those ppl who ~liek~ have to use ~tildes~ and *asterisks*! to emphasize~! their words.

o ya and ppl who say liek alot.

grammor or gtfo.

teeheee I couldn't resist.

Serious reply though - I do think spelling, grammar and style affect the way a post is perceived. I also think that nonstandard grammatical styles can be used to indicate tone in a text based medium.


I perfectly understood everything you typed out. ;-)

As for the use of tildes, asterisks, hyphens, and underscores that some people use, I'd venture a guess that those are holdovers from the time when some were typing out on systems that needed those delimiters to wrap words for enhancements, such as emphasizing, bolding, underscoring, or italicizing.

For instance, when someone delimits a word on Facebook with asterisks, it might look funny to see that when viewing the text from within Facebook itself. However, when that text is read on a pure ASCII messaging system, such as Usenet or plain text email, newsreader or email clients will see the asterisk-delimited word or phrase and apply bolding to it (FB uses plain text in some of their notifications, such as when people write comments on your wall).

For those who never use a plain text system capable of making use of those delimiters, they look funny and probably can be annoying. But for those who still use them personally, or for those automated systems that look for them while parsing those texts, having those delimiters present can make all the difference between a muddied communication and one for which the meaning is clear.

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RE: Strunk & White - 7/8/2010 8:49:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Those who are capable of using their language competently will always be looking at one another over the heads of those who aren't. You may rationalize your incompetence or slovenliness however you will but that's the way it is.  Slack for English as second language folks.  Great admiration for the ones who handle it well.  But inability to write is linked by many with inability to think.  Nowumsain? lol

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RE: Strunk & White - 7/8/2010 8:51:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

idk what rly bothers me is liek acronyms. and internets slang. lolwut? idk why ppl have to tlak in internets slang just cuz they're on the internets. omg and ppl who cnat fix their typos and who mix up there and thar. lawl.

ooooooooomg and those ppl who ~liek~ have to use ~tildes~ and *asterisks*! to emphasize~! their words.

o ya and ppl who say liek alot.

grammor or gtfo.

teeheee I couldn't resist.

Serious reply though - I do think spelling, grammar and style affect the way a post is perceived. I also think that nonstandard grammatical styles can be used to indicate tone in a text based medium.


This but also what Julia said. The occasional misspelling for fun I do....but the netspeak shit drives me crazyyyyyyyy.

I am not the best speller or whatever in the world but I do like to see an effort on the writers part. And some sign of intelligence.


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RE: Strunk & White - 7/8/2010 8:52:31 AM   
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ORIGINAL: RDa

Those who are capable of using their language competently will always be looking at one another over the heads of those who aren't. You may rationalize your incompetence or slovenliness however you will but that's the way it is.  Slack for English as second language folks.  Great admiration for the ones who handle it well.  But inability to write is linked by many with inability to think.  Nowumsain? lol


Spoken like a crotchety old man...


Ever read a book in which people did not speak perfect English? Or take a class in creative writing? Hmmmmm... me thinks some people who claim a perfect grasp of the English language lack the proficiency that is required to play with it

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RE: Strunk & White - 7/8/2010 8:54:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: sappatoti
I perfectly understood everything you typed out. ;-)


We're pro because we're bilingual.

And to clarify I use emphasis symbols a fair bit myself.

~~*bUt iMo thErEz NeVaH nE xCuSe 4 tHiS*~~

Unless you're 13. And even then. No.

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