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JstAnotherSub -> RE: How Many Strikes? (7/9/2010 9:23:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AQuietSimpleMan quote: ORIGINAL: monochromaniac I admit I only just saw the "Internet prick" title under Domiguy's name. I still wanna know how to get mine.... I want Everyday Degenerate.... I just don't know how to get it... Maybe I need to send VAA a Picture of me in Panties..... Maybe a Cock Shot.... not sure... I'll keep trying... when you see me with a Title you will know I demoralized myself in such a way..... I'm already ashamed of the things I am willing to do for the title. QMS Well, what would ya do for a Klondike bar huh?

sirsholly -> RE: How Many Strikes? (7/9/2010 9:26:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: submissivemale22 this thread has not developed as i expected what could you possibly have expected? YOU are the one that asked VAA to allow you to post on this thread. This is her post, which you aggreed to. quote: ORIGINAL: VideoAdminAlpha You have mail, submissive, since you seem to want to communicate with Me so much, and it is addressed to YOU, since you seem to want to bring it on these boards. If you would like, I can let everyone respond to you freely with their thoughts about you and your posts?If you want a true picture after all. If so, all bets are off on strikes for this, if that is what you want. edit: that means that ANYONE, modded or not, will be free to tell you. I would think about this carefully,,,,,, sadly...this is someone who does not have the sense to keep his head off of the chopping block when he doesn't have a pocket full of band aides. quote: ORIGINAL: submissivemale22 im going to go think about the reasons for this and wont return until i figure out why things never really worked out for me on this site. What is that saying about rope? Give a fool enough rope and he will hang himself? [image]http://www.millan.net/minimations/smileys/hangin.gif[/image]

lusciouslips19 -> RE: How Many Strikes? (7/9/2010 9:30:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AQuietSimpleMan quote: ORIGINAL: monochromaniac I admit I only just saw the "Internet prick" title under Domiguy's name. I still wanna know how to get mine.... I want Everyday Degenerate.... I just don't know how to get it... Maybe I need to send VAA a Picture of me in Panties..... Maybe a Cock Shot.... not sure... I'll keep trying... when you see me with a Title you will know I demoralized myself in such a way..... I'm already ashamed of the things I am willing to do for the title. QMS Listen Mr. Uppity. You should have sense enough to not ask until you have 4 paddles.

AQuietSimpleMan -> RE: How Many Strikes? (7/9/2010 9:34:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19 quote: ORIGINAL: AQuietSimpleMan quote: ORIGINAL: monochromaniac I admit I only just saw the "Internet prick" title under Domiguy's name. I still wanna know how to get mine.... I want Everyday Degenerate.... I just don't know how to get it... Maybe I need to send VAA a Picture of me in Panties..... Maybe a Cock Shot.... not sure... I'll keep trying... when you see me with a Title you will know I demoralized myself in such a way..... I'm already ashamed of the things I am willing to do for the title. QMS Listen Mr. Uppity. You should have sense enough to not ask until you have 4 paddles. If we counted up all the Paddles I have had in the past.... Paddles I could have had if the posts were not deleted, and the Paddle I have now I am at Least INSANE if not CONDEMNED. I ask because you never know what you are willing to do for internet stardom on a BDSM Kink Forum until you ask. QSM

xxblushesxx -> RE: How Many Strikes? (7/9/2010 10:05:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: submissivemale22 this thread has not developed as i expected. im going to go think about the reasons for this and wont return until i figure out why things never really worked out for me on this site. Do you not remember your very first thread? How straight male doms are...the epitome of disgusting or something like that? How you defended that position? Do you remember following Ishtar around, reading everything she'd ever posted and quoting those things and upbraiding her for her choices? How DARE she want to move to the suburbs at such a young age...(there was lots worse but that was the funniest) Do you remember all the posts that got pulled? Do you really think that most of us have posts pulled right and left all the time? The reason why things don't go well for you here is: you're judgmental, always "right", don't understand that there is more than just your way, and you argue your one true way up one side and down the other. Be kinder to others and others will be more likely to be kind to you.

LadyPact -> RE: How Many Strikes? (7/9/2010 10:07:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: submissivemale22 this thread has not developed as i expected. im going to go think about the reasons for this and wont return until i figure out why things never really worked out for me on this site. As much as you made this thread about you, it wasn't the reason for My original question. Let Me remind you of part of the original: quote: ORIGINAL: LadyPact The question really is directed at any Mod who would have the patience to answer it, but I'm curious about what other posters think about the process as well. Should being Moderated three times be enough? What about five? Ten? You can feel free to correct Me if I'm wrong, but unless I'm mistaken, in your short posting career here on the forums, you've been moderated twice at best. That isn't exactly what I would call a track record. I'd call it completely anti-social behavior on the forums, but not what I'm asking about. Truthfully, I honestly believe that there are certain things that a person can do around this place that should be a one strike and you're out policy. I don't care who you are, if you violate the rule on here about underage persons depicted in their involvement in physical sex or any form of BDSM, it should get your ass bounced off of this site so fast that your head will spin. There shouldn't be a second chance on that one. What I'm talking about is, if you have to be moderated five times for the same, though admittedly not nearly as severe type of thing, at what point does it just become clear that it's not worth it anymore to have to go through all of the additional work? It's very much the same thing as a job related disciplinary system. You might put an employee on probation because they have repeatedly been late for work. They make it through probation being prompt. When probation is over, they go back to the habit of being late. Put them on probation again. They can get there on time until that period is over and then they go back to being late again. At some point, you let them go. It isn't that difficult of a concept to understand. I was curious about exactly when in the cycle that enough has been enough.

Lockit -> RE: How Many Strikes? (7/9/2010 10:22:05 AM)
This thread is all about teenagers. My motto is, god made babies cute so we would love them when they grow up to be teenagers and aren't so cute and so we wouldn't kill them. Speaking from a standpoint of a mother of former teenagers and now in a rough place of having to go through those years for the second time with the toughest teenager I birthed... some part of me just wants to sit and sob. But I will temper my need to sob, for a given opportunity to lash out. My teens were not bad in the way of going out and doing bad things. I was blessed, I knew it then and I know it now, BUT... it was that attitude that nearly got us all killed. They were trying to kill me, I know it and me, well... some days I felt the same way... either I'm going to kill you or myself! Dear god make these days pass quickly or somebody is going to be meeting you much quicker than any of us planned. The attitude was hell and I get to do it again and now a thread like this, pushing it in my face of what a teenager is really all about. I know they have to go through these years to get past them and make them adults, but damn, sometimes they never get out of those years. They go on and on and on and on! Proven right here at CollarMe. The world isn't all about you. Life isn't all about what you think is right and good. Your opinion isn't the only one. You hate your parents (CM Mods) and must strike out, wishing they would just go away or die and yet you depend on them when you have a need. Sally hit me, Joe said something mean, mom make him stop, dad where the fuck were you when I wanted to play ball and little Jimmy's dad did this and that and he was wonderful... you just suck. I am old enough to do what I want, I don't need you telling me what to do, ALL my friends are doing it! Why can't I do this, you let Marky do it?! This is sooooo not fair! You like them better than me! Mom could you make Mikey stop doing this... yeah mom, Mikey needs to stop doing this, it's driving us crazy?! I didn't do anything wrong, prove it! I have rights you know! I hate you! Don't other parents or former parents of teens see what I see? Teenagers run amuck! At my house when teenagers ran amuck, I didn't have any standard rules because each situation and person involved had to be treated on a case by case, situation by situation basis. All's fair in parenting or CM boards? No, it cannot be because as we all know each teen has their own set of issues be them small or large and each parent must find a way to reach each one, temper the others and keep the house from falling down.

myotherself -> RE: How Many Strikes? (7/9/2010 10:30:47 AM)
Awwwww...dammit! He's gone to ponder and I missed a hot thread AGAIN???? Is it too late to tell him that he's a bigoted cunt and an oxygen thief? Sighs.....[:'(] But I'm with some of the others, including the redoubtable Jeffffff. I think he should stay. Not because he has anything worthwhile to say AT ALL, or because he's in any way likeable, but because he serves as a benchmark for the rest of us. I'm in the process of trying to find a Dom/partner/whatever, and after a while I find my standards begin to slip as I meet guys. Now I have something so FIXED to measure against, it makes life a lot easier. I may end up with a twat, but he won't be anywhere near as total a twat as sm22. So it's all good.

LadyHibiscus -> RE: How Many Strikes? (7/9/2010 10:34:54 AM)
Oxygen thief!! Mr TIGHT GAME? Say it's ain't so FluffyBunnykins!! Dang. I had a chance to let some bile flow and I missed it! [;)]

Lockit -> RE: How Many Strikes? (7/9/2010 10:37:54 AM)
Oh he isn't gone... he is sitting right up there ^... No teenager could miss the chance of seeing what effect they have with their tantrums and legal rights.

myotherself -> RE: How Many Strikes? (7/9/2010 10:39:17 AM)
Even bunnies has teefs and clawses...[:D]

xxblushesxx -> RE: How Many Strikes? (7/9/2010 10:40:11 AM)
Hunny Bunny, measure the worth of potential men against other wonderful men, not a brat.

myotherself -> RE: How Many Strikes? (7/9/2010 10:43:53 AM)
I'm a mathematician - I like to have my upper and lower bounds defined. The upper bounds I can sort (I know lots of wonderful guys, thankfully...)...it was the lower bounds that were missing. Until now! [:D]

marie2 -> RE: How Many Strikes? (7/9/2010 11:18:48 AM)
GR: Alright here I go. The first thread that I recall seeing of submissivemale22 was actually a very good question but poorly worded. Once he cleared it up, it had some very good responses, and I will say that the question did make me think. However, after seeing so many thread topics in succession, I began to feel like we were laboratory rats that he was examining in order to understand something that he considers to be a bit warped. Still nothing wrong with that. This is a bdsm board, and why not have people who don't understand it, coming around questioning it, even from a negative angle. If we are secure in who we are it shouldn't have that much of an affect what some internet stranger thinks...And on the positive side, if nothing else, it could help people just by responding to clarify in their own minds what is right or wrong for them. I know that sometimes when I do write out a comment to someone I'm in opposition to, it helps make it all more clear and in my own mind. But what I took personally with submissivemale22 is my perception, that he wasn't concerned with growing and learning, but rather asking in so many words "what the heck is wrong with you people". Now, this is only my perception, I can't make the accusation that that's where he's coming from, but I can however, just pass up his posts if that is how I feel. In the 5 or so yrs I've been posting here, we've had regs...with bdsm experience come out and say "Hey you guys, IS THIS SHIT ABUSE or what"?. We've had regs come out and trash prodommes, tribute seekers, "doormats", masters who would do this or do that to their slave, financial dominantion is exploitive, goreans are whacked out, mentors are pigs, protectors suck ass, and on and on and on. We have regular posters here who find it nearly impossible to comment on ANY discussion without being abusive in their demeanor and language, nevermind intentionally insulting to those they disagree with. In my opinion, many of them are FAR more abrasive than anything I've heard come out of submissivemale22. Mind you, I am not defending him, I'm merely pointing out that we see this type of behavior and WORSE on these boards every day. Why not just pass it by if it offends? Why call him names, make a mockery of him, and feel some kind of carte blanche to beat him up like misfit in a school yard? Just so I don't come off as holier than thou, I'll give a recent example of something. A few weeks back I was involved in a discussion in which I expressed my thoughts on the topic, no abrasion, nothing personal, just my own feelings. Two people came along and deliberately and callously insulted me for nothing more than holding a different belief from their own. I responded by basically calling them "assholes". The following day, one of them followed me to another thread and out and out attacked my character and called me crude. In that instance I had the self-discipline to refrain from responding. The point I'm trying to make is this: If I call someone an asshole, even if they ARE being an asshole, the responsibility for MY behavior is MY OWN. I can't say "well he started it, he insulted me, so he had it coming". Yes, I felt like he had it coming but still....he is responsible for his words, and I am responsible for mine. He, no matter how much of a jerk, is NOT responsible for the way I reacted; only I am. To suggest anything else is just a cop-out for what amounts to a lack of our own self discipline. I am not holding myself up on high here, I'm just as capable of getting defensive when I feel provoked as anyone else. But if I allow someone to drag me into the mud, I'm there willingly wrestling around in it and getting just as dirty, and looking just as ugly as the original antagonist. So while we sit and bitch about submissivemale22, mock him and continue to call him names. Do we look better than him? Who is controlling our reactions? Is he that good that he can control the emotions and responses of complete strangers? We have only ourselves to hold responsible for our own responses to his behavior (or anyone else's). We have a choice to ignore, or pass up the thread. And if it's wrong for him to inflame, it's gotta be just as wrong for someone to come along and call him a stupid twit. We can't have two sets of rules, yet that is exactly what I see going on. I'm not defending submissivemale22 per se, I'm talking about the principle of it. If we don't like what someone says, we have the choice to pass it up. But if we respond by becoming just as offensive, then we have willingly become a party to the very thing we are railing against.

Ishtarr -> RE: How Many Strikes? (7/9/2010 11:19:32 AM)
Seeing that somehow yet another thread that could have been a great topic got turned into drama, let's go drama all the way, shall we? And hopefully get it over and done with this time... Yahoo handles and some names edited according to the guidlines, to protect the privacy of the participants... s: oh no s: yeah, ok... i saw your post i: ok, the i guess you'll want to reply i: go ahead... s: no... im just kind of shocked s: its like the end of julius caesar, when he gets attacked by even brutus i: lol i: you are SUCH a drama queen i: and i never stopped attacking you from the very beginning, in case you hadn't noticed... i: i've been telling you for all the time we've been communicating that i expect you to make changes on the boards i: in fact, we talked about this in lenght just yesterday s: yeah.... i thought i did change though i: and yet you manage to go on posting all night long doing just about anything and everything i told you not to do.... i: you're arguing your ass off just to argue i: you're not right in this i: they are i: accept that i: man up to it i: and move on i: you've insulted people i: baited s: you dont understand i: been extremely disrespectful i: broken TOS on several occations i: people are pissed i: you EARNED that s: i have never broken the tos i: no matter your motives for provoking it i: you have on several occations i: you called somebody a liar and accused him of making weapons i: THAT alone is breaking TOS s: no it isnt i: you openly disaproved of other people's kinks in several topics of yours i: breaking TOS again s: you are talking about the forum guidelines i: i'm not s: ok, well i familiarized myself with the "tos", and im confident there is nothing in it with regard to posting conduct (aside from posting about minors) i: This isn't a place to insult the kinks, preferences, lifestyles, etc. of others. If you don't like what another person enjoys, rest assured that there are plenty of others out there that probably don't like your activities either. Furthermore, baiting, harassment and personal attacks will not be tolerated. i: you insulted people's kinks... do you denial that? s: thats the forum guidelines i: sigh fine, the forum guidlines, fuck, you are arguing technicalities AGAIN i: did you or did you not break that code of conduct that CM expects from it's users? s: because i feel like i should technically not be banned s: i did not s: since my moderation i: your current one? s: lol, nooooo s: my previous one i: you insulted people's kinks with your hostel topic s: no i didnt i: you called toys art weapons i: and you claim that's not an insult? i: and not intended as one? s: that is worth 2 months? i: you KNEW full well it would be taken it as one i: is that what i'm asking? i: am i asking you if the punishment fits the crime? s: that isnt insulting his kink s: so, no i: ok, i'm done i: if you don't think that calling toys "weapons" is insulting his kink, then you're beyond what i want to deal with... s: sorry Ishtar. i know that you are right on this point, but it is just a compromising situation for me because i truly feel like i should still be allowed to post. s: so even though we did talk about changing my posting, and i wanted to do so, it kind of went awry when i got back into a corner on this thread s: i have not yet fully processed what happened between us, so im electing to wait to craft a more detailed apology until that point arrives, though the fact that this development is sure to dominate my mind in the interim means such a point is not all that far away. s: having said that, i do want to extend my immediate contrition and remorse, because above all else i recognize that you have a lot going on without me being an added source of aggravation. i know very well that im of but miniscule importance to you, but i never wished to complicate your life in the slightest way. s: and now having done so, its hard for me to beg for your forgiveness... not because im too proud to do so, but rather that even i dont feel at all justified in stating that i deserve it. i never was worthy of your attention in the first place, and though i was blessed with the opportunity to get to know you, it was something i ultimately squandered it in pursuit of something completely trivial. s: my penchants for drama queenery aside, to have done so is one of my greatest failings, and represents a sizable burden that i must bear. s: as i said at the top, i will probably have more thoughts on this as time passes, but for now i just want to communicate that im sorry for failing you, and i regret that i never was able to bring the happiness to you that i know you deserved. i: you have penance to take care off with a lot more people than me... you pissed me off because you refused to take care of that... you're right that my annoyence towards you at this point is cause because of unimportant trivial stuff that shouldn't matter, yet you keep insisting on arguing technicalities, and refuse to see things in light of "the spirit of the law" this is one argument that you are not going to win by winning the debate or being right... with me as well as with the others, the more you try to proof you are right based on whatever technicality you can come up with, the more you are going to loose sight of what i suppose to be your intended goal if you want to set things right, i suggest you start at the place you began to fuck things up -counselor i: until that time, you'll feel that being placed under moderation and being ignored your right to speak freely on CM is not the worse that will come from your continued indisgression s: i see that you blocked me on cm. if you dont want me to contact you, i understand and will respect that. its really a struggle for me to express how sorry i am for this with words, so i think it is time to demonstrate it by actions. i told the moderator not to ask me to live on my knees, but on some level im prepared to do that for you. for the first time i think i finally understand why the way i interact with others strains our relationship. having said that, the only conflict is that im so disgusted with myself in some ways i feel like i could never deserve your attention again. i: quit whinning about not deserving forgiveness and earn it s: i know... i want to... its just hard for me i: if it's too hard, then fuck off s: thats not what i mean... i want to earn it i: i don't lower standards because people refuse to try i: stop whinning and earn it s: i dont expect you to lower anything, and i intend to try, because i don't want to lose you... but i guess the reason i say its hard is that, like you, i find submissiveness in males to be a weakness... s: which is why i was motivated to be as antagonistic on the boards as i was s: any why i now feel in part that you might be better off without being burdened by my friendship s: but as long as there is a chance that such isnt the case, i desperately want to do anything to make amends to you s: so, thats definitely how im approaching it, and i hope that if i do get back in your graces, knowing what i know now... i dont think i will ever have to apologize like this again i: do i have your permission to quote what you said here, if i edit out your yahoo handle? s: yes. i: good s: personally, i would prefer it private between the two of us... but if i know if im ever going to start earning your friendship back, i have to start somewhere s: i literally feel sick for hurting you i: you're not capable of hurting me s: yeah, i know i: but you're got me royally pissed of now s: im really sorry either way s: at the time, i didnt realize how insulting i was being. i was just thinking i was disagreeing with you as i would with any other friend Seeing that we're apperently holding a tribunal here -which was requested by the defendant I might add- I thought the jury should have all the evindence....

marie2 -> RE: How Many Strikes? (7/9/2010 11:36:30 AM)
Isn't it against tos to bring private conversations into the public forum? Names are withheld, but then you say the "jury should have all the evidence". Jury for whom? Evidence of what?

VaguelyCurious -> RE: How Many Strikes? (7/9/2010 11:37:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: marie2 So while we sit and bitch about submissivemale22, mock him and continue to call him names. Do we look better than him? I get what you're saying, Marie, but this jumped out at me-I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm not really motivated by whether I do or don't look better than another poster. If someone irritates me I will respond in an irritated manner, because I'm a fairly snarky person naturally-that's my honest reaction. I'm good with being a snarky person, I really am. I bitch and mock because it's more entertaining than avoiding. But I also contribute to serious discussion. If someone is serious I'm happy to take them seriously and I'll think and consider and put effort into my answers. So do I feel bad about bitching at sm22? No, quite frankly, because he's impossible to take seriously. If that makes me look bad in someone else's eyes then they will think I'm a bad person.That's fine.

VaguelyCurious -> RE: How Many Strikes? (7/9/2010 11:39:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: marie2 Isn't it against tos to bring private conversations into the public forum? Names are withheld, but then you say the "jury should have all the evidence". Jury for whom? Evidence of what? I don't know if you've read the whole thread Marie, but the guy in question requested that the thread be unmoderated so people could give their honest opinions of him. He wanted his moderation to be discussed by, in his words, 'a jury of [his] peers'.

marie2 -> RE: How Many Strikes? (7/9/2010 11:44:04 AM)
ok change the words "do we LOOK better than him" to "are we BEHAVING better than him?". Once again, I'm not holding myself up on high, I've done it too, what I'm saying is that it comes down to "pot kettle". Listen, if you enjoy the back and forth tearing up, then it's all good. I'm writing about those who don't want to be bothered or offended by other posters. My message is: If we don't like it, then we shouldn't become a party to it. Hard to do, I know. But that's what it comes down to.

Ishtarr -> RE: How Many Strikes? (7/9/2010 11:46:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: marie2 Isn't it against tos to bring private conversations into the public forum? Names are withheld, but then you say the "jury should have all the evidence". Jury for whom? Evidence of what? Honestly, I was mostly being sarcastic because this whole thing is beyond ridiculous... But other than that... What VC said: he specifically requested a "jury of peers" to render judgment on him and let him know exactly what they think about his posting style. If that wasn't the case, this wouldn't have been posted. As to the TOS, I checked the guidelines and the TOS, I couldn't find anything on it not being allowed to post private conversations WITH the participants explicit consent -which I asked for and got. Maybe I missed something, and in that case that post will get pulled, which is fine. But I seriously at least couldn't find anything to indicate that that post would go against CM policy.

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