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AQuietSimpleMan -> RE: Anal: How do i change a turn-off to a turn-on?? (7/12/2010 8:53:47 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom

Analeze is a very bad idea. It numbs things up, and keeps you from feeling what's going on back there.

You want to be able to feel what's going on back there, how else are you going to tell if something aint right if you can't feel back there.


I fully disagree... Analeze uses about 8% benzocaine.

It is a Numbing agent but, because of how little is there it only works to basically relax the Sphinxter that I was talking about before.

You will NOT lose all feeling back there, you will simply notice a mild numbing. Like less numbing than Ambisol on the gums.

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I would like to point out to everyone who is getting all Butt Hurt (Yeah, I just said that)

the Op is looking for a way to turn something she does not like into something she does.

If this takes practice, or a glass of wine, or her own exploration all suggestions may or may not work for the OP. Remember THAT is why we are even posting on this thread.... cause the OP wants to know what she can do.

We can talk shit about who is being insensitive or about who is a dirty girl and who isn't all we want but in the end I thought we were trying to offer the OP something that she could really use to be able to offer something to her Dominant that is hard to do for many women. Trust me on this, not every women is dying to have a cock in her ass... the fact that she is even looking for information shows a level of dedication to her partner not many I see on these boards actually have.

So OP.... Take what you want and give it a try, see what works... and if nothing does and you still wanna make him happy...

Relax and have a glass of wine and if you want think about how great the shower will be in 20 minutes when he's done.

QSM




littleone35 -> RE: Anal: How do i change a turn-off to a turn-on?? (7/12/2010 9:06:37 AM)

Op i know what you are going through but from a different perpestictive. I had a very bad experience with someone trying anal so i was NOT going to try it again. I found out it was something my Master really liked. I told him about my bad experience, He understood and did not push the issue. A few months later he broched the subject again and that time i said i will try it but i am still a little nervous. We started with a finger then moved to tays it took a while then i was finally ready. It is not as bad as you think it will be. Sure there is a little pain but not all that much and relaxing and pushing back againest him helps. it is not that messy either. Now it is something i really like this from the girl who was not sure she would ever try it again The best thing to do is talk to him when you are not in bed and tell him how you want to do this for him, but you are afraid. Tell him what advice you recieved here. best of luck

Matt's littleone




ElanSubdued -> RE: Anal: How do i change a turn-off to a turn-on?? (7/12/2010 9:11:23 AM)

WyldHrt,

quote:

Oh, and wine makes me sick.


For darn sake.  Always turning the smallest thing into a mountain.  It's *just* a little barf play.  Geesh! [:D]

E.




DesFIP -> RE: Anal: How do i change a turn-off to a turn-on?? (7/12/2010 9:29:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Firebirdseeking

"About the grossnesss, is it really any grosser than having a hard cock jammed down your throat so that you're gagging and retching and your nose is running nonstop? That's pretty gross too. "


You do specialize in taking things out of context and deliberately misreading people. Hope you find it enjoyable.

My point was that sex is, when considered rationally, full of the grossness factor. From blowjobs which make your nose run, to having some guy cum on your hair. Considered from that point is anal that much grosser from the rest?

And if you had bothered to read the rest of my post you would have noticed that I reamed her partner out for being so damned stupid about this. Plus I suggested how the right way to go about it is done.




kitastrophe33 -> RE: Anal: How do i change a turn-off to a turn-on?? (7/12/2010 9:40:54 AM)

Yep. Super bad idea. Pain means things aren't going right. (Edit: Even in a situation when pain is the desired outcome, it still serves as a warning to be careful!) It's your body's way of telling you that injury is a possibility. Contrary to whoever posted that all it does is "relax" you back there, it *is* an anesthetic. You'll still have some feeling, but significantly diminished.

Especially if you're new, you should avoid that stuff. You're experimenting with anal play. You don't totally know how to do it yet without injuring yourself. I can't stress enough the importance of pain as an indicator that you need to change what you're doing!




quote:

Analeze is a very bad idea. It numbs things up, and keeps you from feeling what's going on back there.

You want to be able to feel what's going on back there, how else are you going to tell if something aint right if you can't feel back there.




MagiksSlave -> RE: Anal: How do i change a turn-off to a turn-on?? (7/12/2010 9:44:09 AM)


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ORIGINAL: AQuietSimpleMan

I would like to offer what I did with my partner when she has similar issues as you do, She felt that it was gross and dirty and something that had been tried before and really hurt her, so she just did not want it.

I told her that I did but that I respected her fear, we agreed that when I was going down on her I might put the tip of my finger in her but but that if it went to far that she could say "Too Much" and I would pull it out. For about 3 months I did this every time I went down on her starting with just the tip of my finger rimming her anus. I was waiting for it to relax and take my finger on it's own... it didn't take long.

After three months of every ORAL orgasm I gave her being connected with having the tip of my finger in her butt she started to really enjoy having my finger there while I was giving her cunnalingus.

I also watched Anal Sex in Porn with her. So she could see women having anal sex and enjoying it.... I made sure all the porn we watched showed women really enjoying it, to make sure she saw enjoyment while it was happening.

Then one day she asked me for it... I had a finger all the way in her butt and she looked down and said "Lets do it" She did NOT want to do it Doggy Style or on her side, So we put a pillow under her Lower Back and I entered her Anally in the Missionary Position. I lubed up the finger I already had in her butt and made sure she was very lubed inside and out and as I put my Penis to her ass I let my own body weight guide me in and I let her push up against me.

There comes a Point where the Penis goes Past the Sphinxter and that requires a LITTLE push, and it will hurt a little. You will need to BREATHE. What little pain there is should go away soon. Just as it starts to go away you can make it better by pushing into him and pulling him in close to you.

DO NOT START PUMPING... LET HIM KNOW THIS. Tell Him to just relax, once he is in and to the depth that you can relax to, there will be a depth if he is very big that will feel strange in your stomace that is where you "Bottom Out" even though he isn't at a Bottom of anything. He should then take it very SLOWLY... He may even want to wear a cock ring as it is easy to lose an erection having to go slowly in this.

Once you are comfortable with him being in you.... REAPPLY LUBE... and then start a SLOW and STEADY pumping pattern.

When he orgasms or ejaculates if it is inside you.... when you are done go potty.

In the end you may both want to take a shower and clean up.... This can be the reconnection you use after an encounter like this... considering you think it is dirty the Shower can help you to feel clean again.

If you like feel free to e-mail me I can give you all the tricks I have and all the information you may need, the truth of the matter is if you have an anal orgasm you will cum harder than you ever have and just like my wife in no time you will be a little Anal lovin girl cause let me tell you they are really awesome.

QSM


Am I the only one thinking 'Pavlov' here?

Actually it is a very real and pretty good idea... having her start to associate something a little scary with something very pleasant in an unobtrusive way.

For me, Anal is a big no-no, the entire idea freaks me out. Maybe I'm close minded, but I dont find being touched there sexy in any way and I kinda panic at the idea... Sure there are ways to get over it, much like QSM did with his girl, but I think I am so hung up that I don't want to get over it... Anal is not something I want to want. This is where you and I differ. You want to want this for your Dom and that is admirable.

However, if this is as big a turn off for you as you are stating than it may just be something that will never turn you on, that doesn’t mean you won’t ever do it, you may just do it despite the turn off factor because you want to please your Dom, you may get to the point where you can do it for him even lacking any enjoyment from it yourself. That is a choice that you have to make.

It does seem, though, that your Dom isn’t pushing it, that he is willing to accept that this isn’t something you are comfortable with, and I know it may feel like failure to you, but really, I dont think it is. We all have things that send us to places we dont want to be, and that ok.

If you think you can get over it than, I think QSM has the right idea, but if you really dont think you can, I dont advise you try it, it can cause irreparable damage to do something you aren’t ready for.

Just my opinion.




January -> RE: Anal: How do i change a turn-off to a turn-on?? (7/12/2010 10:01:22 AM)

Fast reply

Hi OP,

This thread has been fascinating. We have done a bit of "anal play", but not true penetration. I love it when combined with sex. But lots of posters here have way more to contribute than me.

What worries me about your post is that your Daddy doesn't seem to understand the mechanics of the whole thing. (He doesn't understand the psychology of your fear... OR the actual process).

Has he actually HAD anal intercourse, or is it a fantasy he wants you to fulfill? Have you talked to him about his experience? The reason most folks are recommending lube is because that particular hole has no natural lubrication. Does he know that? There are other ways than an enema to clean yourself. Over the counter meds etc... (not very fun, but you aren't sticking anything up your anus).

His roughness and impatience to carry on (without lube?)--in spite of your fear--makes me think he does not know what he's doing. You may be right to be afraid. Don't let the concept of wanting to submit get in the way of your common sense. Just because he says "no pressure" doesn't mean the isn't pressuring you. His desire to care for you should make him think twice about making you freeze or cry. Your gut may be telling you something.

January




ElanSubdued -> RE: Anal: How do i change a turn-off to a turn-on?? (7/12/2010 1:30:30 PM)

Mariasgoneagain,

My last post was mostly about play technique.  This is another, longish post that I hope gives insight about mindset.  (i.e. how can you change anal play from a turn-off to a turn-on).

quote:

ranja:
Anal sex IS dirty... i mean how perverted do you have to be to actually take a dick up your poopshoot?  Imagine playing with your asshole and actually getting turned on by it... how ridiculously gross and humiliating and slutty is that???

there is of course a number of things you can do (as advised by many posters) to ease you into ass play... but the most important thing is to appreciate the dirtiness of it, it is totally filthy, perverted and kinky... aren't you?  don't you want to be?  why?


This mindset may work for some, however, for many, myself included, this would not work.  There is no right or wrong mindset, although I do tend to think doing something you don't want to, that will create resentment in you if you're not doing it willingly, is the *wrong* way to go about approaching a new activity.  Trepidation, uncertainty, embarrassment, and just plain fear are things we all sometimes feel when approaching something new.  But, doing something you loath or that you feel forced to do and the "forcing" isn't the kind you eroticize won't make you enjoy an activity.  On the contrary.  This kind of approach will make you fear and dislike an activity even more.

I'll give a personal example.  I don't get begging.  Begging is not a turn-on for me.  I feel silly, inauthentic, disrespectful, and disrespected when I beg so being told to beg for something puts me in a negative headspace.  For the "never say never" folks, yes, on occasion, in the right circumstance, I've been told to beg and this has worked in enhancing my sexual arousal, but this is the exception rather than the norm for me.  Certain partners have, none-the-less, made me beg because they knew this throws off my equilibrium.  This has worked only when there is enough trust built up.  Even though I don't derive any pleasure from the begging itself, I've done what my dominant asked, because she asked.  Just being obedient and hearing my dominant's encouragement ("you can do it;  please, just for me;  oh, good boy, I'm so proud of you!") is a huge turn-on.

Knowing your partner well enough and having enough trust in them such that you know they won't put you in harms way can help you with anal play.  Eroticizing your partner's reactions (which I noted in my previous post) and/or going through something simply because you're devoted to making your Master happy and he has asked this of you are ways to turn yourself on.  Mindset examples:  "I'll do anything for my Master including offering my ass" and "I'm being a good little slut by offering all my holes for Master's enjoyment".

The fact you're researching anal sex, asking questions, and asking for help already shows your devotion.  This is a great way to introduce yourself to something you are feeling uncertain about.  Perhaps, if you feel comfortable with this, you could involve your Master in your research.  It's fine to tell him "this frightens me and I'm worried it will be painful and messy, but I'm trying my best to learn about it".  Show him this thread and look up books and teaching/training resources together.  If you approach this together and your Master is lovingly supportive, this can help reduce your fears.

It's important to recognize that you can research *without committing to doing*.  Perhaps what you need right now is to simply ponder different kinds of anal play.  This is something to communicate, respectfully, to your Master - that you'd like to research first, before committing to trying.  I think it's important that you underline you'll do your best to get to a point where you're willing to try, but that you cannot guarantee this.  Myself, this is how I started with a number of kinks.  I can think of one thing in particular that is now one of my favourites, however, when a domme first asked this of me, I was utterly terrified and told her so.  The process of reading, asking questions, pondering further, trying the activity in question, gaining more experience with the activity, and, finally, coming to a place where I not only started to like the activity but to actually ask for it was about a two to three year turnaround.

The best way I know to eroticize anal play is to find aspects of it that give you pleasure:  the feel of your cheeks against your partner's skin;  the slutty emotions of offering *all your holes* for your partner's enjoyment;  the increased strength of orgasms and finding new ways to orgasm;  the sensation of being opened, stretched, and filled in a new way;  the sense of accomplishment when you go from letting your Master touch your opening, to accepting finger(s) inside you, to taking a small plug, taking a larger plug, to attempting to accept your Master's cock, to not only accepting your Master's cock successfully, but also feeling pleasure with him inside you;  the slutty feeling that yes, you actually are enjoying your ass in a way you never thought possible;  the sound of your Master's voice when he says "good girl" and when he rewards you with treats for your efforts;  the feelings of warmth when your Master orgasms inside your ass and he tells you you're the sexiest, most gorgeous woman on the planet, pulling you closer to him and kissing you hard.  You may not be able to find pleasure in all these things, but some of them will likely help you along.

I think a key part of changing anal play from turn-off to turn-on is getting past the idea that your bum is just an "out" door and that it is "dirty" back there.  Finding things that give you pleasure from anal play addresses part of this, but the whole "dirty" thing is something you can address too.  I already mentioned one precursor to play:  make sure you've not eaten for a few hours and have also had a full bowel movement.  Something else you can do is to bathe and shower, paying special attention to your bum and to your anal opening.  After this, sit back in a luxurious bath and when you get out of the tub, bask in how clean you feel *everywhere*.  It helps a lot when you know your entire body is clean and smells good.  If possible, try to engage in anal play soon after you've done both these things (bowel movement and bath) because this can minimize the worry that you're dirty.

I made a mistake in my other post in that penetrative, anal play isn't the only place you can start.  Another place is a warm oil massage that includes your bum and anal opening.  This can be a lovely feeling and no penetration is involved.  Your Master can rub, pamper, and kiss you, and do other things that turn you on while teasing and playing with your bum too.  This can help you feel good about sensations down there.  You are already concerned about why someone would want to play with your bum so an anal message with no penetration may feel uncomfortable and weird at first.  This is okay.  Your feelings are your feelings.  It's just fine to take things at your own pace.  I suspect though, if you give yourself a bath as a described above, submit to a full body massage that includes your anus, and your partner pampers you in other ways, you'll find your bum starts to trigger some good feelings for you.

What you and your Master are doing is reprogramming your sexual response to include your bum and anal play as a trigger.  I can certainly guarantee one thing... once you've experienced an earth-shattering orgasm from playing with your pussy while your ass is filled at the same time (you can do this solo with a butt plug inserted or your master can use a dildoe/butt plug in your ass while he licks, fucks, and plays with your pussy), it's hard to go back.  The anal orgasm is a great salesperson. :-)

I've picked up the idea from your posts and from others that perhaps your Master isn't the most experienced at anal play.  Should he also have things to learn, the two of you can learn together.  The worst way to approach anal play is with force (mental or physical).  The result is going to be painful no matter what you do.  If you start something and your mind and/or body feels unwanted stress, fear, or pain, that's a good time to slow down, to stop (if need be), and to re-evaluate.  While it's hot for a dominant (or anyone) to fantasize "I'll just fuck my slut in the ass", the reality is far from this.  You can't just fuck anyone in the ass, even for those receivers who love this and who have lots of experience.  Headspace, the amount of preparation, warm-up, and stretching you've done (yes, I mean gently stretching the anal opening), the way your body is feeling at the time, and many other factors effect the ability to enjoy anal play at a given moment.

Myself, I enjoy many kinds of anal play (receiving, and, if my partner enjoys it, giving too).  I've got lots of experience with this and even still there are days when my body is tense or my mind isn't in the right place and it's just not going to happen... at least not in an enjoyable, pain-free way.  This is something your partner needs to learn about if he doesn't know this already.  I encourage you to find a constructive, loving ways to support your Master in this regard.  One way is to share the materials you're learning from.  This way, you don't have to directly comment on your Master's skills and instead simply share information he can learn from too.  In a very real way, you'll both be learning together and this, in itself, can be very rewarding and can strengthen a relationship.

Side note:  Skip the Analeze pseudo-anesthetic product someone suggested.  There are two reasons for this.  First, you need all your feelings and pain receptors working because these are your body's indicators that something is or is not working.  Second, part of the learning process is to feel (and ultimately enjoy) the sensations in your anus.  You can't do this if your senses are numbed.  If you've decided to try penetration of some sort, find a sex shop that features dildoes and plugs for anal penetration.  They'll have lubes that are ideal for anal play.  Tell them you're new to this kind of play and ask them to recommend something (or, as I already suggested, you can't go too far wrong with Astroglide or Liquid Silk).

Elan.




Jeffff -> RE: Anal: How do i change a turn-off to a turn-on?? (7/12/2010 2:18:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Aileen1968

But...If you clench, you can almost rip that little fucker right off.



I am pretty sure that Shore would like that re worded.




ranja -> RE: Anal: How do i change a turn-off to a turn-on?? (7/13/2010 1:55:10 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ElanSubdued

quote:

ranja:
Anal sex IS dirty... i mean how perverted do you have to be to actually take a dick up your poopshoot?  Imagine playing with your asshole and actually getting turned on by it... how ridiculously gross and humiliating and slutty is that???

there is of course a number of things you can do (as advised by many posters) to ease you into ass play... but the most important thing is to appreciate the dirtiness of it, it is totally filthy, perverted and kinky... aren't you?  don't you want to be?  why?


This mindset may work for some, however, for many, myself included, this would not work. 
I'll give a personal example. 
The best way I know to eroticize anal play is to find aspects of it that give you pleasure:  the feel of your cheeks against your partner's skin;  the slutty emotions of offering *all your holes* for your partner's enjoyment;  the increased strength of orgasms and finding new ways to orgasm;  the sensation of being opened, stretched, and filled in a new way;  the sense of accomplishment when you go from letting your Master touch your opening, to accepting finger(s) inside you, to taking a small plug, taking a larger plug, to attempting to accept your Master's cock, to not only accepting your Master's cock successfully, but also feeling pleasure with him inside you;  the slutty feeling that yes, you actually are enjoying your ass in a way you never thought possible;  the sound of your Master's voice when he says "good girl" and when he rewards you with treats for your efforts;  the feelings of warmth when your Master orgasms inside your ass and he tells you you're the sexiest, most gorgeous woman on the planet, pulling you closer to him and kissing you hard.  You may not be able to find pleasure in all these things, but some of them will likely help you along.

Elan.


Jeez... so it does work then?

and Firebird... i think you might be seeking for a long long time... i suppose as soon as you ease up you might find it.
you come on a kinky site full of people with perverted 'needs' and you are not slutty or perverted or filthy or anything... and you are offended by people who like their sex the way they like it... what exactly are you doing here? punishing yourself?




yellowroses -> RE: Anal: How do i change a turn-off to a turn-on?? (7/13/2010 7:03:42 AM)

I was going to add to this thread but AQuietSimpleMan already explained it perfectly and got me really turned on in the process. Nothing I can add of substance after that.

Good luck to the OP and Have fun!!!

kim




MistressRoux -> RE: Anal: How do i change a turn-off to a turn-on?? (7/13/2010 9:08:45 AM)

I tried it in a vanilla relationship and I didn't like it at all. I'll probably never try it again. What got Me to even get to the point of trying it was anal play. I didn't like manual stimulation, but when My partner at the time did some surprise rimming, it was okay and I was quite drunk, so tried it with lube. I won't continue on the pain as that isn't going to help your cause at all, but if he's set on the anal, you can maybe try a very long road with various forms of anal play and then proceed with anal intercourse patiently when you reach that point.




ElanSubdued -> RE: Anal: How do i change a turn-off to a turn-on?? (7/13/2010 10:13:45 AM)

ranja,

--- Jeez... so it does work then?

Perhaps I misunderstood your use of the phrases:  "Anal sex IS dirty", "how perverted do you have to be to actually take a dick up your poopshoot", "how ridiculously gross and humiliating and slutty is that", "appreciate the dirtiness of it", and "it is totally filthy, perverted and kinky".  This isn't my mindset at all and while I don't want to speak for my partners, I do know that for some this isn't their headspace either.  As a receiver, my mindset is more "wow, that feels good", "that looks hot/sexy", "that makes me feel whole, complete, and more connected to my domme".  There is something in this activity that does trigger submissive feelings for me, but this isn't anything to do with feeling dirty, filthy, gross, and humiliated, and only marginally has to do with feelings of subjugation and objectification during the play.

In my previous post, I used the word slutty to mean "something that feels good and makes you feel sexy", not as a synonym for "dirty/filthy".  For some people, feeling dirty/filthy/humiliated does feel good and is sexy.  There's nothing wrong with eroticizing anal play under this banner.  However, for someone who is feeling this play is dirty (in the bad way, not the good way), explaining it as dirty, filthy, and humiliating isn't an approach I'd use to make it more inviting, and, as I've explained, this isn't how I eroticize it either (when receiving or giving).

When giving, my "ass man" fetish switches on.  The female derriere is incredibly sexy to me and I love both the feeling of this part of my partner's body against me and the fact she puts this trust in me.  Ironically, while eye contact is a key way I communicate, certain anal play positions break eye contact and this offers unique trust dynamics and intensifies the emotions when eye contact is regained.  Again, for me, dirty, filthy, et al are not part of this equation.  Even the occasional accident isn't dirty/filthy and is just a minor annoyance to be dealt with quickly so we can get back to enjoying each other.

To illuminate the giving side more directly, when I'm playing with my partner and our activities are focused on anal play (whether I'm licking her, probing her, fully penetrating her, etc.), what I'm thinking is how gorgeously sexy she looks and how lucky I am that she shares this kind of trust and vulnerability with me.  Vulnerability isn't a word commonly used to describe dominants (female or male), but I wish it were.  To trust someone with intimate emotions and the intimate parts of your body can't really be done without placing yourself in a vulnerable (or potentially vulnerable) position.  You can't trust without making yourself vulnerable to someone and this, to me, is one of the most sexy aspects of BDSM play and relationships in general.  Submissives place trust in their partners, but dominants place trust their partners too.

Elan.




jujubeeMB -> RE: Anal: How do i change a turn-off to a turn-on?? (7/13/2010 10:51:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: WyldHrt
quote:

Oh please....give me a fucking break. Aren't you being just a little too sensitive and overly dramatic because of some words of an anonymous person on the internet? Have a glass of wine and relax. [:)]

I really don't think so. Like any other activity, it may be 'no big deal' for some, but one hell of a big deal for others. Firebirdseeking is right; saying 'get over it' or 'just relax and do it' isn't all that helpful to someone who admits that the activity squicks her out, and those posts probably just made the OP feel worse that she can't.

Really, should we tell subs that aren't into full toilet service that they should just get over it and open wide? For someone squicked by anal, it probably doesn't seem that much different.


I realize I'm a bit late on the bandwagon, but this. Since when is being terrified of/having a strong "repulsion" for something grounds for doing it? The OP's Master has told her that it's not that big of a deal to him and he can live without it - as in, it's not absolutely necessary for him - yet he's willing to put her through the continual stress and panic of constantly trying to coax her to do it. He tries to push his finger in her and tease her with his cock and she breaks down crying each time, and he keeps doing it. She told him she didn't want to up front, but even more importantly, he's not demonstrating that he can handle the kind of gentleness and patience that is required for "getting over" something that is a huge hangup. He's said to her that he thinks this would really show her submission and loyalty to him, but he's doing it at the expense of her comfort. Have you all read her posts? The OP sounds like someone terrified of public speaking the night before addressing six hundred people. And for something that isn't an absolute need of his?

OP - if you're still reading this thread, you also have the option to explain to your Master, in a loving and honest manner, that this is something you genuinely don't want to do, especially when you're feeling so pushed to do it. Everyone else's advice on how to do it is great, and if you can sit your Master down and have a good long honest conversation with him about how he needs to take a very long break from pushing you in any way (sexyred's suggestion), then you can examine it all fully for yourself. But as long as you're being pressured, your panic is not going to subside. And remember: yes, you're a sub and yes you want to please your Master, but I'm sure he wouldn't want to do anything that tortured you to no end. You do get to say no if that's what you really feel in your gut.




porcelaine -> RE: Anal: How do i change a turn-off to a turn-on?? (7/13/2010 11:45:41 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: jujubeeMB

He tries to push his finger in her and tease her with his cock and she breaks down crying each time, and he keeps doing it. She told him she didn't want to up front, but even more importantly, he's not demonstrating that he can handle the kind of gentleness and patience that is required for "getting over" something that is a huge hangup. He's said to her that he thinks this would really show her submission and loyalty to him, but he's doing it at the expense of her comfort. Have you all read her posts?


jujubeeMB,

I read her post. In spite of everything you've raised and the OP conveyed she's here attempting to figure out how to give him what he wants. Yes she's afraid, didn't want it, and is being pushed. But for reasons only she can answer she's willing to try for him. I don't have to understand it or condone it. But I will answer the question posed honestly whenever possible. I don't know their dynamic or what the OP has agreed to overall. Perhaps that agreement trumps the rest and explains why she's trying to go forward.

~porcelaine




jujubeeMB -> RE: Anal: How do i change a turn-off to a turn-on?? (7/13/2010 12:28:16 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: porcelaine
I read her post. In spite of everything you've raised and the OP conveyed she's here attempting to figure out how to give him what he wants. Yes she's afraid, didn't want it, and is being pushed. But for reasons only she can answer she's willing to try for him. I don't have to understand it or condone it. But I will answer the question posed honestly whenever possible. I don't know their dynamic or what the OP has agreed to overall. Perhaps that agreement trumps the rest and explains why she's trying to go forward.


Right, and it makes total sense to me why everyone is giving her their best advice on how to move forward with it. I'm just trying to make sure that she knows she also has the option to say no, if that's what she's truly feeling. I get that a lot of dynamics do not include the option to say no, but from everything she's portrayed of the situation, her dynamic does include that option and I don't personally believe that someone should be constantly pushed into something that makes them break down in hysterical tears. What everyone said is great advice, but she also needs to know that she can say no when the thing making her want to move forward is a huge amount of guilt-tripping and passive aggressive pushing attempts. I'm not actually opposed to people being pushed past things that they don't like to do, but I am opposed to it when the person pushing is being so enormously and obviously inconsiderate in his methods.

Again, I think all the advice was great, but I want to make absolute sure that she knows she absolutely has the right to choose not to do it, especially if it's doing a great deal of damage to her psychological health.




NymphetamineGirl -> RE: Anal: How do i change a turn-off to a turn-on?? (7/13/2010 1:10:29 PM)

You do have the option to refuse.  Only you can determine the consequences of refusal in your relationship.  I don't operate well under threat myself; submission is mine to give, and if it were coerced it wouldn't have any meaning for me, plus it would reduce his stature in my eyes.  Staying respectful and grateful for what each needs from the other can keep things in perspective.  Personally, if I were being pushed so hard and so often against a limit (and I do consider what the OP described as hard) then I'd start to question his self-control and that would terrify me.

Having said all that, I forking love anal.  oh my forking GAWD I love it.  Holy please can I have it!

It took lots of practice to get there though, and lots of embarassed giggling and stupid misunderstandings and false starts.  There was an agreement that we were working toward a penis but we played for months before that with small toys and types of movement.  I have to be super-aroused for anal to feel good, so the journey was spectacular.  Ahhh memories.  And if it ever hurt, even a little, we stopped.

FYI - there are only microscopic amounts of "poo" in the anal area except at the exact moment of defacation.  I have done a lot of anal and I can count the times anything emerged on my partner's penis on one hand, and that was because I was sick at the time.  All the same, I do recommend cleaning after for hygenic purposes.  And yes, lube is a must, just be careful what kind if you use condoms, the oil-based ones will break down latex. 

Some people here are suggesting you can just give it to him cause you like to serve him, and sure, you can go that route.  But I fear that approaching it from a standpoint of endurance will force you to miss out on how mind-blowingly fabulous it can be.  I hope you rise three feet from those clean sheets in a blood-curdling orgasmic scream.  You deserve it.




porcelaine -> RE: Anal: How do i change a turn-off to a turn-on?? (7/13/2010 2:41:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jujubeeMB

Right, and it makes total sense to me why everyone is giving her their best advice on how to move forward with it. I'm just trying to make sure that she knows she also has the option to say no, if that's what she's truly feeling. I get that a lot of dynamics do not include the option to say no, but from everything she's portrayed of the situation, her dynamic does include that option and I don't personally believe that someone should be constantly pushed into something that makes them break down in hysterical tears. What everyone said is great advice, but she also needs to know that she can say no when the thing making her want to move forward is a huge amount of guilt-tripping and passive aggressive pushing attempts. I'm not actually opposed to people being pushed past things that they don't like to do, but I am opposed to it when the person pushing is being so enormously and obviously inconsiderate in his methods.

Again, I think all the advice was great, but I want to make absolute sure that she knows she absolutely has the right to choose not to do it, especially if it's doing a great deal of damage to her psychological health.


jujubeeMB,

I'll advise but I never tell anyone to be disobedient or attempt to usurp their owner's authority and I know you're not suggesting that. I don't believe her situation is any different from the things others struggle with on the kneel. They confront their ambivalence in deference to their station. I've candidly admitted that my own jewel sits neatly in place. But guess what? When I'm owned and enslaved it's up for grabs. No question about that. I have the luxury of saying no because freedom provides that option. Add a dose of luck in there for previous relations as well, but I didn't say not a chance. I gave my reasons for opposition and allowed them to make the decision instead. Perhaps I posed a convincing argument, one never knows. [;)]

Rights is a loaded word. For some it isn't a part of their dynamic and I'm only getting a glimpse of hers. I think it's easy to tell people to resist things when we're not dealing with the consequences of those actions. Sometimes a post of this nature is merely one for support. The individual already knows what they plan to do and just need some encouragement to go through with it. You view tears in the negative, but I see them as liberating. He most certainly can bring me to that state because I know what's beyond it as well. I've been pushed, prodded, and made to wail. But the end result is who I am today and I wouldn't change that at all. Hopefully the OP will make the best choice for her and find it's one she can live with in the long run.

~porcelaine




Firebirdseeking -> RE: Anal: How do i change a turn-off to a turn-on?? (7/13/2010 8:48:53 PM)

I find I have a few more comments.

The OP is freezing up each time she tries to please her daddy. He "says" its "not really important to him" but he says it (anal) "will show him just how committed and submissive I am". Excuse me? Sorry, but I dont buy into that; I have heard others (men) say that anal is the ultimate sub act. Well, I think that line of thought is the ultimate BS act. Submissiveness is in the heart. There is no one single ultimate act of submissiveness.

She is freezing up and yet he pushes her. Suppose she had this reaction to fire play, or to knife play, or breath play. Would others here be advising her how to overcome her reaction or would we be pointing out to her gently that some hard limits simply ARE, because it is an activity we cannot tolerate? The OP may not WANT anal to be a hard limit for her, but her reactions say that it is. And her daddy is pushing and being aggressive about it. I also dont see how porn is going to help her with this problem. She is afraid.





Tantriqu -> RE: Anal: How do i change a turn-off to a turn-on?? (7/13/2010 8:57:10 PM)

I've introduced a lot of people to sexual pleasure through their asses!
First, no anal intercourse until you've had an orgasm with a vibrator against, then inside your ass. Have him go down on you, and as he's doing so, put a lubed vibrator against, not in, your anus. Once you orgasm that way, try cunnilingus with a SMALL vibrating toy inside your ass. Woo hoo! Then he goes down on you, and inserts a lubed pinky. Next time, index. Next time, two fingers, etc. until you're comfortable with a toy the size of his cock.
Once you associate anal stimulation with orgasms, intercourse may not only be possible, but pleasurable. Not until then. But if you've been a victim of sexual assault or abuse, see a psychologist first.





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