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Obedience Training - 7/12/2010 5:55:25 PM

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What is meant by Blind Obedience Training?

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RE: Obedience Training - 7/12/2010 5:57:15 PM

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Him: Do this.
Me: Ok

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RE: Obedience Training - 7/12/2010 6:00:09 PM

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I don't get it , Aileen. I don't understand why that is considered "training"?
I don't think i would learn anything from it other than how he likes his coffee, or penis sucked. And he could have told me that in the course of normal conversation.

very odd.

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RE: Obedience Training - 7/12/2010 6:02:22 PM

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I don't get the whole obedience training thing either. I don't get any kind of training.
I'm in a relationship. Not a job. He isn't my employer. He's my lover.
I was being sarcastic....

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RE: Obedience Training - 7/12/2010 6:10:37 PM

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I totally got the sarcasm thing - not that i am EVER sarcastic!

maybe blind obedience training is something to do with braille?

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RE: Obedience Training - 7/12/2010 6:35:51 PM

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Obedience training, as I understand it (I could be totally wrong), is sort of like how obedience training is for dogs. Don't get upset with me, anyone - I'm not calling any of us dogs

Anyway, when you take a dog to obedience training at first, they don't know what you want or what you mean and can be totally rebellious and, well, disobedient. The goal with training is to condition the dog to respond in certain ways to certain things and to get used to reining in any rebellion when their master is directing attention at them. Works the same for humans, depending on how much you respond to psychological conditioning.

The thing about it is you can use it to "train" someone to respond to certain words or phrases or movements because repetition can make almost anyone do almost anything. It's not a bad technique, depending on how much you like psychological play and a bit of degradation. There are certain words that I used to hate that, when I hear them now, have me literally close to instantly physically ready, relaxed, submissive and all kinds of slutty.

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RE: Obedience Training - 7/12/2010 6:46:42 PM

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Ask the person who said they were going to do this to you.

Obedience training I get, but blind obedience? Meaning don't think, don't object even if what is being done will harm you, and so on? Not something to be entered into with a stranger. See, the fact that a stranger has announced their intention of doing this says to me they don't see you as a person but just as a thing. Being used can be great, when I know that later on he really will care about me. But a stranger? Just use me and walk away and leave me to deal with the fall out? Ick.

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RE: Obedience Training - 7/12/2010 6:51:33 PM

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Blind Obedience Training is a Limit of mine.... everyone should be entitled to an purpose even if the purpose is because I wanted to see if you would do it.

In Blind Obedience, a submissive will be asked to do all sorts of shit... almost Milirtary like. It's a break down build up kind of training however most of the time I never see the build up..

Blind Obedience is that they are never to ask why they are being asked to do something when told they just do it. I see this kind of training to be taken advantage of and popular with highly sexual Doms... in fact the only times in my life I have seen a slaves ordered to offer sex to an entire room of people all three times it was as a form of Blind Obedience.

I think it is the things that wank fodder are made of, and something people who have no idea what they are doing enjoy in engaging in.

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RE: Obedience Training - 7/12/2010 6:53:51 PM

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Oh, whoops, missed the "blind" part. Yeah, what Des said.

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RE: Obedience Training - 7/12/2010 7:02:42 PM

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Think it could eventually lead to involuntary action, even? I once knew a domme who had a male sub. This sub had some sort of spinal condition where if you hit the base of his neck the wrong way, he will be temporarily paralyzed. She planned to do this to him while saying a certain word enough times that when she simply said the word, he'd be paralyzed, without her even touching him. Naturally, I advised her against it and advised him against her.

It's fine if someone wants to give up total control of themselves. But it's another thing when they give up their basic functionality as a human being.

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RE: Obedience Training - 7/12/2010 7:04:46 PM

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Blind Obedience Training sounds an awful lot like code for "brainwashing".

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RE: Obedience Training - 7/12/2010 7:06:44 PM

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What is meant by Blind Obedience Training?

Using a white cane with a red tip on the trainee's tush who happens to be wearing a hood?

(Hey, I almost said training Helen Keller...)

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RE: Obedience Training - 7/12/2010 7:12:31 PM

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Blind Obedience is that they are never to ask why they are being asked to do something when told they just do it. I see this kind of training to be taken advantage of and popular with highly sexual Doms... in fact the only times in my life I have seen a slaves ordered to offer sex to an entire room of people all three times it was as a form of Blind Obedience.

I think it is the things that wank fodder are made of, and something people who have no idea what they are doing enjoy in engaging in.

I call it surrender and there are a number of slaves that operate from that state of mind. Obviously if you're dealing with a reputable individual that you trust doing as asked isn't a challenge, especially when you're wired for obedience. In terms of not knowing, a lot of things happen in life that I don't have the answers to. That doesn't mean I don't perform as expected or instructed. In my opinion it goes back to good choices. I find the impossible is anything but when you're serving the right party.

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RE: Obedience Training - 7/12/2010 7:18:04 PM

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What is meant by Blind Obedience Training?

Using a white cane with a red tip on the trainee's tush who happens to be wearing a hood?

(Hey, I almost said training Helen Keller...)

Take it from me those fucking things suck as actuall canes... most of them are collapseable. You swing the bastard and the Centripetal Force make all the joints fall apart and you end up hitting yourself..... total mood killer.

LOL

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RE: Obedience Training - 7/12/2010 7:23:58 PM

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Blind Obedience is that they are never to ask why they are being asked to do something when told they just do it. I see this kind of training to be taken advantage of and popular with highly sexual Doms... in fact the only times in my life I have seen a slaves ordered to offer sex to an entire room of people all three times it was as a form of Blind Obedience.

I think it is the things that wank fodder are made of, and something people who have no idea what they are doing enjoy in engaging in.

I call it surrender and there are a number of slaves that operate from that state of mind. Obviously if you're dealing with a reputable individual that you trust doing as asked isn't a challenge, especially when you're wired for obedience. In terms of not knowing, a lot of things happen in life that I don't have the answers to. That doesn't mean I don't perform as expected or instructed. In my opinion it goes back to good choices. I find the impossible is anything but when you're serving the right party.

~porcelaine

And this just comes down to different training methods and different beliefs in what has positive effect.

I work with obedience, but I feel that if someone is confused as to WHY they are doing something the wrong lesson is learned and if that lesson is not backed up and adjusted you end up with a girl like I once had who believed the reason for being a slave was to do chores.... that was the sign of a good slave. I could see what her prevcious Master had TRIED to get her to learn, but she was never allowed to ask questions so what she learned was that she was supposed to do chores and that made her pleasing.

I don't know that I ever got through to her, in the end she went on to another place and found a Gorean Master. She was happy and that was all I wanted for her...

Blind Obedience means the lessons they learn are what their head tells them the lesson is in my opinion and that isn't for me.

I do see your point and I see some people who really want that... I have seen very few who actually do it.

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RE: Obedience Training - 7/12/2010 7:40:03 PM

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Think it could eventually lead to involuntary action, even? I once knew a domme who had a male sub. This sub had some sort of spinal condition where if you hit the base of his neck the wrong way, he will be temporarily paralyzed. She planned to do this to him while saying a certain word enough times that when she simply said the word, he'd be paralyzed, without her even touching him. Naturally, I advised her against it and advised him against her.

It's fine if someone wants to give up total control of themselves. But it's another thing when they give up their basic functionality as a human being.

There are extremes to everything. Beating someone with a cane could lead to broken bones, but that doesn't mean everyone beaten with a cane has broken bones. Throat fucking could lead to suffocation but that doesn't mean everyone who's been throat fucked has suffocated and died from it. Sure, of course someone can abuse obedience training, but that doesn't mean everyone does.

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RE: Obedience Training - 7/12/2010 8:07:30 PM

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I do see your point and I see some people who really want that... I have seen very few who actually do it.

Just because you haven't seen much of something doesn't mean it doesn't exist abundantly. Otherwise I could say I have seen very few people who actually enjoy being whipped, which we all know has nothing to do with whether or not there are tons of people who like being whipped.

When you trust someone completely, blind obedience can be a very rewarding thing, both for you and your partner. It's something that is built to, and it's not something that happens 24/7, but there is absolutely something to be gained from a level of submission where you just respond. I know this because I've done it in spurts, and it's intoxicating. I can't do it for much longer than spurts, because I love over-analyzing everything and like to ask questions. But those periods of time where I just plain obey regardless of any input I might have on the matter - heavenly. I can only imagine what it's like for people who are in long term relationships with Doms that they trust completely.

And by the way, blind obedience doesn't mean your Dom will make you proposition a whole room full of people. That would only happen if the sub was very comfortable with it and the Dom knew about that, or if the sub was uncomfortable with it and the Dom was a big fat jerk. The good Doms who are given high levels of power know that they have a huge responsibility to fully examine their use of that power - not all Doms do whatever they want to do just because they can do it.

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RE: Obedience Training - 7/12/2010 8:10:47 PM

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What is meant by Blind Obedience Training?

When Stevie Wonder has Andrea Bocelli doing boot blacking.

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RE: Obedience Training - 7/12/2010 8:11:56 PM

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I do see your point and I see some people who really want that... I have seen very few who actually do it.

Just because you haven't seen much of something doesn't mean it doesn't exist abundantly. Otherwise I could say I have seen very few people who actually enjoy being whipped, which we all know has nothing to do with whether or not there are tons of people who like being whipped.

When you trust someone completely, blind obedience can be a very rewarding thing, both for you and your partner. It's something that is built to, and it's not something that happens 24/7, but there is absolutely something to be gained from a level of submission where you just respond. I know this because I've done it in spurts, and it's intoxicating. I can't do it for much longer than spurts, because I love over-analyzing everything and like to ask questions. But those periods of time where I just plain obey regardless of any input I might have on the matter - heavenly. I can only imagine what it's like for people who are in long term relationships with Doms that they trust completely.

And by the way, blind obedience doesn't mean your Dom will make you proposition a whole room full of people. That would only happen if the sub was very comfortable with it and the Dom knew about that, or if the sub was uncomfortable with it and the Dom was a big fat jerk. The good Doms who are given high levels of power know that they have a huge responsibility to fully examine their use of that power - not all Doms do whatever they want to do just because they can do it.

And I simply pointed out my views on it.

Which is what the op asked about right?

I have seen it abused so often that it is something I will not do nor would I ever expect it. I teach my submissives to educate themselves no matter what, and that means when they don't understand something they should ask.

This is my view.

I see how someone could want this... but my views on who does are negative in nature.

So I owuld be providing the "Con" on this discussion... and you have presented a "Pro".

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RE: Obedience Training - 7/12/2010 8:16:35 PM

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What is meant by Blind Obedience Training?

When Stevie Wonder has Andrea Bocelli doing boot blacking.

Stomp

HEY that was my foot you stomped on!

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