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RE: Tea bagger leader:NAACP makes "more money off ... - 7/14/2010 9:16:56 PM

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I have never claimed the NAACP is a black supremacist organization, but one cannot deny that its goal is to advance the cause of the African American population. Why cannot you just accept that it is indeed a racially motivated group, and thus racist. It being racist is not a condemnation of it, nor does it detract from the good that it does. The fact that blacks need to strive for mere equality does not change things, if the NAACP isn't racist, then neither are the Tea baggers.

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RE: Tea bagger leader:NAACP makes "more money off ... - 7/14/2010 9:25:22 PM

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you people all amaze me you say the tea party are the racist but in case you did not notice its the naacp which you have to be black to belong to but that is ok. there is a miss black america contest and all black colleges. yet if you had the naawp where you had to be white to belong to and a miss white america contest and an all white college oh and not to mention BET black entermainment tv but what if you had a WET we would be the ones called racist

Just for my own curiousity.....how long have you held this resentment,how have these organisations and beauty pagents negatively affected your life?Have they somehow blocked your advancement in you chosen profession?(I know ,I know...it was hard to keep a straight face as I typed that...lol)perhaps denied you a spot at the college of your choice?(seems unlikely)...perhaps cancelled your favorite culturally diverse sit-com?

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RE: Tea bagger leader:NAACP makes "more money off ... - 7/14/2010 9:26:21 PM

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There are no absolutes but there seems to be a substantial portion of the tea baggers that oppose Obama strictly because of his race. You can see it in their signs and their words that have been documented.

Are all tea baggers racist? No. But the under current is there. It is not a party that was spontaneously created by the fiscally concerned it was a choreographed movement that has racist undertones.

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RE: Tea bagger leader:NAACP makes "more money off ... - 7/14/2010 9:30:45 PM

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There are no absolutes but there seems to be a substantial portion of the tea baggers that oppose Obama strictly because of his race. You can see it in their signs and their words that have been documented.

Are all tea baggers racist? No. But the under current is there. It is not a party that was spontaneously created by the fiscally concerned it was a choreographed movement that has racist undertones.

I agree with you wholeheartedly...which is the basis of my argument vis a vis the NAACP

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RE: Tea bagger leader:NAACP makes "more money off ... - 7/14/2010 9:38:15 PM

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for obama to be the democratic nomination, people still had to vote. meaning the same 12.8%(subtracting the 1 or 2% that may have voted for McCain) voted for him the same as they did in the actual election. the SAME group of people. i didnt live in the US when that happened, at at this point, it doesnt matter- considering neither of them are currently in office. however, since the black/african-american population was slightly larger at that time(13%, 2004), it wouldnt have mattered if they showed up in larger numbers since bush won by a landslide.

Obama beat Clinton by 3.7% of the pledged delegates. Assuming 13% of blacks voted in the primaries (their turnout for the general) and they went 95% for Obama as in the general, he received 11.7% of the total vote from blacks. If they had been split 50/50 in a non-racial vote pattern, he would have received 6.5%, or 5.2% less = a 1.5% loss. (In fact it probably would have been more skewed toward Clinton than 50/50 because she would mostl likely have picked up a disproportionate piece of the female black vote if she faced a white male).

Then there are the support and momentum factors.

Bill Clinton to Ted Kennedy: "the only reason you are endorsing him is because he's black. Let's just be clear."

Geraldine Ferraro: "If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept."

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RE: Tea bagger leader:NAACP makes "more money off ... - 7/14/2010 9:38:45 PM

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And here I thought a BDSM website, would have adults, behaving as adults. Instead, there are three pages on this thread alone, of persons behaving like they were in junior high school. Is the conservation to hard to follow, that one needs to resort to petty insults and jabs? Even off this thread and site, I am observing Americans decending in to Hell, due to pure pettiness.

The NAACP, is not a racist organization. They have been open to members of all races for a very long time. Along with accomplishments they have directly ventured on, and those with other groups, have made America a better place to live. As such, the organization is highly regarded and respected not just within the United States, but in other countries as well.

Likewise, the organization's comments today, do bear a heavy amount of evidence towards the Tea Party Movement's 'racist' stance. Scores of people have seen (video, photos, radio) as well as those 'in person' at rallies, of officals of the Tea Party, and its supporters, accepting and supporting this racism. Many of its membership (in the Tea Party), believe directly or indirectly, that Mr. Obama was not born in the United States. Even after evidence is shown, these same people STILL ignore reality, as the fantasy is much better. The group seems to hold the concept, of 'White Entitlement'. This concept roughly states, that since Europeans settled in America, and have been running it ever since, they should have complete say in what happens in America. As such, they feel only white people should be in the Office of the President, and the majority of Congress and the Supreme Court, should hold white people. I'm sorry to say, that to the average observer, that is rather racist belief.

I was watching CNN, and they had a discussion, between two gentleman. One from the NAACP, the other from the Tea Party. In this case, the two men talk about things as a calm, mature and adult fashion. If the Tea Party consisted of more people like this guy, it would go along way to having a CIVIL discussion. One based on argreeable sources of information, and debate the pros and cons of the issue. However, as many of us know, this will never happen. While there is the usual suspects we could list for instilling this 'junior high school'-ish behavior (like Fox News, Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin, etc). It does come down to the individuals (like on this thread and site), to behave according to their age and education, and not of their ignorance, fear, intolerance, or hatred.

At the end of the second video, the Tea Party offical asks the NAACP offical to denounce the Black Pathers. Watch the whole video, as it comes towards the end.

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RE: Tea bagger leader:NAACP makes "more money off ... - 7/14/2010 9:43:20 PM

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If the Tea Party consisted of more people like this guy, it would go along way to having a CIVIL discussion.

What makes you think it doesnt?

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RE: Tea bagger leader:NAACP makes "more money off ... - 7/14/2010 9:48:51 PM

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one cannot deny that its goal is to advance the cause of the African American population. Why cannot you just accept that it is indeed a racially motivated group, and thus racist.

I don't think that it is correct to call the NAACP a "racist" organization simply because its goal is to advance the cause of African Americans. Dictionary.com references the Random House and American Heritage dictionaries, respectively, for the following definitions of racism.

racism

1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.

3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.

racism

1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.

2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

Racism embodies the idea that race is a determining factor with respect to the character and abilities of a person or a people. In my opinion, that view describes neither the NAACP nor a good deal else that various asshats feel provoked to label "racism".

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RE: Tea bagger leader:NAACP makes "more money off ... - 7/14/2010 9:51:04 PM

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2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.

they support affirmative action, de facto discrminination. Racist.

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RE: Tea bagger leader:NAACP makes "more money off ... - 7/14/2010 9:58:48 PM

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they support affirmative action, de facto discrminination. Racist.

The rationale for Affirmative Action (at least as I understand it) is not based on racism.

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RE: Tea bagger leader:NAACP makes "more money off ... - 7/14/2010 10:11:09 PM

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slow your roll cowboy. i said only the naacp. none of those other organisations. while i'm trying SO hard not to laugh, do you even remotely think there is a need for any of those fictional caucasian counterparts you have mentioned? what advancement does the caucasian population need?

Well, there are black folk who have college educations while there are still Gomers in the red states who can't go to college because chewing tobacco in classrooms is prohibited.

The Gomers are oppressed, no doubt about it.

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RE: Tea bagger leader:NAACP makes "more money off ... - 7/14/2010 10:49:54 PM

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If the Tea Party consisted of more people like this guy, it would go along way to having a CIVIL discussion.

What makes you think it doesnt?

I've been to a Tea Party rally (to observe...intellectual curiousity). I've watchs many videos that are both 'pro', 'con' and 'neutral'. The 'con', as expected, would show the Tea Party in a negative light. The 'pro', just the opposite. It is the 'neutral' videos that tend to agree with the 'con' videos. That of all the signs present at the rallies, one slice of the metaphorical pie, is of a racist nature. While, they have their freedom of speech, to show their viewpoint (under the 1st Amendment). It also allows others to record those signs to show the racism. Just mention 'illegal immigrants' or simply just 'illegals' at a Tea Party rally. How quickly do you think the conversation (if you could call it that) turns ugly and racist? Or, on the topic of 'Barrack Obama' being an American citizen? And when these people are talking, do they sound like they are intelligent, educated and wise?

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RE: Tea bagger leader:NAACP makes "more money off ... - 7/14/2010 10:54:14 PM

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they support affirmative action, de facto discrminination. Racist.

The rationale for Affirmative Action (at least as I understand it) is not based on racism.

K.

the rationale is irrelevant to whether it is racism or not, only the result. If you want to claim that it is "justified racism" go right ahead, but it is racism, period.

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RE: Tea bagger leader:NAACP makes "more money off ... - 7/14/2010 10:57:27 PM

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If the Tea Party consisted of more people like this guy, it would go along way to having a CIVIL discussion.

What makes you think it doesnt?

I've been to a Tea Party rally (to observe...intellectual curiousity). I've watchs many videos that are both 'pro', 'con' and 'neutral'. The 'con', as expected, would show the Tea Party in a negative light. The 'pro', just the opposite. It is the 'neutral' videos that tend to agree with the 'con' videos. That of all the signs present at the rallies, one slice of the metaphorical pie, is of a racist nature. While, they have their freedom of speech, to show their viewpoint (under the 1st Amendment). It also allows others to record those signs to show the racism. Just mention 'illegal immigrants' or simply just 'illegals' at a Tea Party rally. How quickly do you think the conversation (if you could call it that) turns ugly and racist? Or, on the topic of 'Barrack Obama' being an American citizen? And when these people are talking, do they sound like they are intelligent, educated and wise?

A few racist signs (if they exist, I havent seen any, and Ive looked) dont mean that there arent more rational tea party members. And when I listen to tea party members talk I hear the intelligence, education and wisdom of average, middle of the road Americans.

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RE: Tea bagger leader:NAACP makes "more money off ... - 7/14/2010 11:40:52 PM

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the rationale is irrelevant to whether it is racism or not, only the result.

Ah, I see. The circumstances are irrelevant. If the guy ended up dead, it was murder. Got it. Can you gimme a sec to get a memo out to dictionary publishers? The English speaking world needs to know this.

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RE: Tea bagger leader:NAACP makes "more money off ... - 7/14/2010 11:54:24 PM

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I go by actions and how people and groups behave.

The name is decades old,from a very different time.They work against discrimination.That`s how they "advance"folks.

They don`t care to change there name for political correctness or to suit folks who don`t understand the history and context of the org.

Again,you are usually more careful.But I imagine you Canucks have little experience with racism or fighting it.

You`re big issue is whether to salute the Queen or not.[:D]

Seriously? Yeah when we arent hanging out with the polar bears in our igloos drinking maple syrup & beers eh?, wearing our Beaver hats while the Mounted Police stand unsmiling at us all.

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RE: Tea bagger leader:NAACP makes "more money off ... - 7/15/2010 12:11:33 AM

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the rationale is irrelevant to whether it is racism or not, only the result.

Ah, I see. The circumstances are irrelevant. If the guy ended up dead, it was murder. Got it. Can you gimme a sec to get a memo out to dictionary publishers? The English speaking world needs to know this.

K.

Circumstances and rationale are not the same thing. the english speaking world needs to know this.

Student A has better SATs, better interviews and better grades than Student B, but Student B gets in at the expense of Student A because of his race. Youre fucking right the rationale doesnt matter, the result is racist. Again, if you want to claim its justified because of history, youre welcome to your opinion. That doesnt change the FACT that it is a discriminatory program based on race, which is exactly what the definition says.

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RE: Tea bagger leader:NAACP makes "more money off ... - 7/15/2010 12:15:20 AM

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Circumstances and rationale are not the same thing. the english speaking world needs to know this.

Student A has better SATs, better interviews and better grades than Student B, but Student B gets in at the expense of Student A because of his race. Youre fucking right the rationale doesnt matter, the result is racist. Again, if you want to claim its justified because of history, youre welcome to your opinion. That doesnt change the FACT that it is a discriminatory program based on race, which is exactly what the definition says.

By this rationale you just called most if not all the Ivy League and Seven Sisters racist because they have legacy admission systems.

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RE: Tea bagger leader:NAACP makes "more money off ... - 7/15/2010 12:34:54 AM

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Circumstances and rationale are not the same thing. the english speaking world needs to know this.

Student A has better SATs, better interviews and better grades than Student B, but Student B gets in at the expense of Student A because of his race. Youre fucking right the rationale doesnt matter, the result is racist. Again, if you want to claim its justified because of history, youre welcome to your opinion. That doesnt change the FACT that it is a discriminatory program based on race, which is exactly what the definition says.

By this rationale you just called most if not all the Ivy League and Seven Sisters racist because they have legacy admission systems.

Legacy status is independent of race. The English speaking world needs to know this.

What I did say, till you garbled it, is that any school that uses affirmative action for admissions is racist. That is a fact no matter how you try to spin it.

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RE: Tea bagger leader:NAACP makes "more money off ... - 7/15/2010 12:46:54 AM

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Youre fucking right the rationale doesnt matter, the result is racist.... it is a discriminatory program based on race, which is exactly what the definition says.

You are reading the American Heritage secondary definition out of context. Secondary usages derive from the primary definition. The Random House secondary definition makes this explicitly clear. If the rationale for a discriminatory policy isn't based on racism, then the policy (although discriminatory) isn't "racist".

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