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How do YOU define the term alpha male? - 7/18/2010 12:43:51 PM   
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Alpha male is a term used in describing any group or society of animals that live closely together and have a dominant leader. Alpha dog is often used in both domesticated breeds of dogs and in wolf societies to express the leadership characteristics of the dog to which all other dogs defer. There are also alpha females or leading females in many pack animal societies, with the alpha female having dominance over all females in the pack and possibly some of the lower beta males or omega males.

In human societies alpha male can mean very different things.

So how do YOU define the term alpha male?

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RE: How do YOU define the term alpha male? - 7/18/2010 1:01:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		You lost me with the females only being alpha to women and beta males... the lower end of the male scale.

I am finding you rather offensive today. You aren't asking questions as much as you are offering your opinion and it sucks in my opinion.


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RE: How do YOU define the term alpha male? - 7/18/2010 1:04:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		in wild mustang herds the herd is ALWAYS lead by a female who is in charge of the whole herd, i am unsure what other anmails follow this other than wild horses

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RE: How do YOU define the term alpha male? - 7/18/2010 1:05:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		I define Alpha, as the one who earned their leadership role. Usually by being the most capable of not only acquiring but also maintaining that position.


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RE: How do YOU define the term alpha male? - 7/18/2010 1:11:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lockit

You lost me with the females only being alpha to women and beta males... the lower end of the male scale.

I am finding you rather offensive today. You aren't asking questions as much as you are offering your opinion and it sucks in my opinion.




This is how I see an alphas defined in the animal kingdom. Which it clearly states in the OP.

And I did ask a clear question. How do YOU define an alpha male. I'm sorry you are so offended by my question that you couldn't even be bothered to asnwer.

I wont ever apologize for my opinion or views, nor should you or anyone for that matter. In fact I have not even stated how "I" defined an alpha male. 

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RE: How do YOU define the term alpha male? - 7/18/2010 1:16:09 PM   
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I define Alpha, as the one who earned their leadership role. Usually by being the most capable of not only acquiring but also maintaining that position.




And it has nothing to do with the way they express their sexuality. In other words people can be submissive in their relationship and be alpha everywhere else

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RE: How do YOU define the term alpha male? - 7/18/2010 1:17:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't define it. I think it is a ficticious label that people like to apply to themselves. I certainely have never used the term in my life.

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RE: How do YOU define the term alpha male? - 7/18/2010 1:19:13 PM   
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in wild mustang herds the herd is ALWAYS lead by a female who is in charge of the whole herd, i am unsure what other anmails follow this other than wild horses


Ignoring for the moment the tone and provocation from the OP, to answer the above and fistbump Lockit:
HAH! In most primate communities FTW!!!, plus meerkats, hyenas off the top of my head, and horses as above, the female alpha is the dominant of the group.

Back to the original question: I define the term alpha male as:

An alpha male is the one who, when he sees a fire in a crowded building, yells FIRE and organises the evacuation.
A beta male sees the fire, wonders briefly if he should say anything, feels relieved when someone yells 'Fire' and evacuates in an orderly fashion.
A gamma male pushes grandparents and children out of the way to get out.
A super-alpha caused the fire in the first place by smoking under the 'Danger: Flammable Materials' sign 'cuz, like, shit, man, no-one tells him what to do.

I'd never touch a super-alpha, but alphas and super-betas are the only good men I fuck in the ass, and boy, howdy, they do what I tell them to, in bed and out.
So poof goes the OP 'lower beta' theory in a puff of Astroglide.




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RE: How do YOU define the term alpha male? - 7/18/2010 1:21:28 PM   
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I wont ever apologize for my opinion or views, nor should you or anyone for that matter. In fact I have not even stated how "I" defined an alpha male. 



I have a question... if someone came on here and started a thread about female superiority, stating that all men were inferior to women innately, saying "this was just my opinion"... what would you think of that poster? Would you find that view insulting? Would it rub you the wrong way?

I try to think of how my words will impact others (although I am not always successful) and I try not to offend people who aren't offending me. It is one thing to say "In my relationship this is what goes on" and saying "In my opinion people who live differently than me are wrong"...

Maybe you might understand how offensive it is if someone told you "I think people who do Daddy/daughter relationships are sick fucks, that is just my opinion"... perhaps maybe you might have some understanding that although you have opinions and feelings, pronouncing around a message board wins no friends and influences even fewer people

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RE: How do YOU define the term alpha male? - 7/18/2010 1:25:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Inked, you changed your original post taking out the part where you included human females.

Good move to try and prove something... didn't work with me though.


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RE: How do YOU define the term alpha male? - 7/18/2010 1:26:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		julia if you dont think people have and do say that to me you are truly naive infact it has been posted by many members of this very forum. We all have our opinions and views. If we apologize for them I think that means they are not something you are willing to defend or stand up for, which means they truly aren't yours to begin with.

On a daily, perhaps hourly basis there are things posted on these forums and other forums that I belong to that I dont personally agree with. Do I get personally offended? Honestly, no.  These forums to me are about having discussions and if someone doesn't want to join in a discussion no one is forcing them to.

I rarely ever do anything or say things to intentally hurt people. However, you can only be so PC before you truly start to loose yourself IMO.

ETA: I also think that no matter how PC you are you will offend someone.

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RE: How do YOU define the term alpha male? - 7/18/2010 1:27:55 PM   
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Inked, you changed your original post taking out the part where you included human females.

Good move to try and prove something... didn't work with me though.



Actually I removed (in human race as well) or something of that nature b/c it could/was being misunderstood and clouding my original OP but nice assumption though.

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RE: How do YOU define the term alpha male? - 7/18/2010 1:28:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		An alpha male is someone who is naturally inclined to provide functional leadership and is not burdened by assuming that leadership.

Some people receive validation through other people, and the order other people can give them, and often exhibit submissive qualities. Other people receive validation from actualizing their own goals and creating order or satisfying an outcome with their own power, which usually is indicative of dominant behavior.



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RE: How do YOU define the term alpha male? - 7/18/2010 1:28:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think it is a catch-all term in some communities that leads its bearer to believe it gives greater credibility to his claims. Most men that are controlling or led to be in control rarely affix labels to themselves or view it as an aspect of their sexuality either. They simply 'are' and the people around them respond in kind. Having encountered a lot of people on the Internet that described themselves in this manner, I can candidly state I would reduce that number significantly and respond at best there are two or three that would probably fit that description. Interestingly enough none of them utilized it.

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RE: How do YOU define the term alpha male? - 7/18/2010 1:34:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DaddysInkedSlut

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ORIGINAL: Lockit

Inked, you changed your original post taking out the part where you included human females.

Good move to try and prove something... didn't work with me though.



Actually I removed (in human race as well) or something of that nature b/c it could/was being misunderstood and clouding my original OP but nice assumption though.


Then you are the one that confused it. And your post to me shows your honesty because you said that you clearly stated you were talking the animal kingdom. Fail. Now because I called you on the change you are going to be honest about what you took out? Too late. You called me on something that was your fault.

I don't know what your problem is today with this alpha male stuff, but you have been offensive to decent submissive men... so it is your opinion... good.. keep it... but your fairness in other threads doesn't include males who submit because that makes them less than those alpha males however you describe them. Very little around here pisses me off... you managed it.

An alpha male to me is a man who can do the physical, mental and emotional and doesn't run away from being all that a human being can be. He has honor and honesty and isn't afraid to be vulnerable, sweet, helpful, loving and weak at times. An alpha man comes in the form of a dominant or a submissive. An alpha is one fucking amazing human being.


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RE: How do YOU define the term alpha male? - 7/18/2010 1:34:46 PM   
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The saddest is when the persecution is engrained so deep, that we proudly persecute ourselves, and don't even know what we're saying.

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RE: How do YOU define the term alpha male? - 7/18/2010 1:37:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DaddysInkedSlut

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ORIGINAL: Lockit

You lost me with the females only being alpha to women and beta males... the lower end of the male scale.

I am finding you rather offensive today. You aren't asking questions as much as you are offering your opinion and it sucks in my opinion.




This is how I see an alphas defined in the animal kingdom. Which it clearly states in the OP.

And I did ask a clear question. How do YOU define an alpha male. I'm sorry you are so offended by my question that you couldn't even be bothered to asnwer.

I wont ever apologize for my opinion or views, nor should you or anyone for that matter. In fact I have not even stated how "I" defined an alpha male. 


And just so you can't change this one too... Bull shit.


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RE: How do YOU define the term alpha male? - 7/18/2010 1:42:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DaddysInkedSlut
So how do YOU define the term alpha male?


I don't, any longer.  There are too many assumptions behind the idea of alpha/beta men that I don't think bear any real interrogation.   One is that people look for easy corollaries from other species.  Humans aren't the same as gorillas, still less so wolves.  We don't operate the same way.  Human nature is not gorilla-nature or wolf-nature.  We have large, successful societies in which we control a huge amount of our environment.  Other species don't.  Humans are thousands of times more advanced than those other species.  We're also a lot more comfortable in our lives. We don't live day to day - generally - in fear for our lives.  Human life is not, again generally, 'nasty, brutish and short' (Hobbes).  Some might say it's almost embarrassingly silly to compare some pampered, western businessman who is a wow at his car-selling techniques with a wolf that's fought for it's life over and again to reach the top of the pack.  The second lives harshly in the wild.  The first is so distanced from such wild living that he's able to relax in his armchair and actually enjoy watching films about it on his telly - surrounded as he is with all the high-tech gadgetry that he's come to rely on for his survival.  He might think he's a grizzled, tough old wolf - but next to one of those he's an effete blob - as beta as it's possible to be beta.

Another thing is that this idea of 'alpha' and 'beta' provides simple categories that have passed into pop psychology just too easily for my liking.  Most of those pop-psychological bits of wisdom of the past have turned out to be crap.  I just have a strong idea that this way of categorising will go that way, too.  Beware those who flog business-psychology most of all.  Business psychologists make too much money feeding the vanity of people who will read what they want to read for me to trust what they have to say.  It's those sorts of psychologists, of course, who've retailed this 'alpha/beta' idea most of all. 

Lastly, humans have shown they're capable of a lot.  Arguably, a lot more than those other higher mammals.  Why on earth would we want to get into copying them by borrowing from the way they live in their societies?  Moreover, are there any species of animals that have alpha/beta structures and which are not at least endangered?  Why should we limit ourselves with these categories?

Nah.  No offence to you or your thread, DIS, but I've come too keenly to notice, these days, a certain incongruity.  This is that the wealthier and more comfortable people are, the more they're wont to talk about how their lives are 'just like those of (the nobler sorts of) animals.  The alpha/beta idea is a preoccupation of the opulent West.  For me, it's junk-food-psychology/anthropology.  Drivel, at bottom.

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RE: How do YOU define the term alpha male? - 7/18/2010 1:43:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MadameMarque

I'm getting pretty sick of being casually told to sit in the back of the bus, by you.

The saddest is when the persecution is engrained so deep, that we proudly persecute ourselves, and don't even know what we're saying.



I have NEVER even spoke to you.
I have NO idea who the heck you are.
So I have NEVER once said to you to sit in the back of the bus.
Heck, truth be told I have never even used the phrase. Lol

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RE: How do YOU define the term alpha male? - 7/18/2010 1:47:08 PM   
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An alpha male to me is a man who can do the physical, mental and emotional and doesn't run away from being all that a human being can be. He has honor and honesty and isn't afraid to be vulnerable, sweet, helpful, loving and weak at times. An alpha man comes in the form of a dominant or a submissive. An alpha is one fucking amazing human being.


This

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