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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 3:38:02 PM   
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Obama hasn`t injected race into the dialog.




Nope. He's trying to keep his powder dry for '12. You, as in you directly, Basiji, and all your little butt-buddies from the Basij clubhouse though, just can't seem to hold your water.

Why are you trying to cost him re-election?


Can you translate that into makes sense?

His re-election is 28 mounths away.You race hustlers can`t get past the mids without barfing on your own "starched white shirts".





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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 3:40:36 PM   
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This thread saddens me....


You know what? For those of you that don't believe in racism in this society addressing a non-existent audience? At least Ive never seen a claim to that effect
need to have been emailed by the bigoted bastards that live in Orange County and in the Santa Barbara area who get nasty with me when they find out what I do... what do you do?


Most of the white men in my age group are a buncha whiny-assed bigoted bastards. Fuck them. White people tend to get their sphincter muscles clinched when they have to deal with the idea that their privilege is coming to an end. This is my experience with many white people I know in general outside of my academic career. It is true of my racist brothers, uncles, and other assorted relatives.

Beyond the fact that racism and sexism is a prevalent problem this country, it is not just an individual problem, it is a structural one. Why do women have to spend more on medical insurance,because they can have babies
why are the diseases that impact us not funded? like what?
Why are medical studies performed on men as if they are the same as women? I think you put this backwards, but again, like what?
Why are diseases that impact minority communities not studied as much as the ones that impact white men? what diseases impact white men disprortionatel to minority men?
Why are minority populations impacted by industrial pollution more than white ones? data?
This is just a partial list of the inequalities within the structure of our society...

I get that there are some very racist people in this country, and yes that is a problem that we still need to address, but the more insidious problem is those who truly think that racism doesn't keep people down because of the "gains" we have made, and we have become a more tolerant country, a better country, but thinking we have come far enough just isn't true, and people can be blind to the structural forms of racism, but that means they are tolerating it.

Here is a question for all of you, why do we have "Black History Month"? Black history is all of our history, it should be taught all year long.It is taught all year long, as part of "all our history"
I think that in our belief that we are "doing enough" to make this a country without racism, in some ways we are giving this false impression we have gotten places we haven't because we "gave" them their own Martin Luther King Jr Day and we gave them their Caesar Chavez Day and we "gave" them an entire month... and that is really fucking pathetic in my mind... how about we give all people equal consideration all year long the vast majority of us do. because the vast majority of people in the past did not is no excuse to discriminate against their descendants.




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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 3:43:36 PM   
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Bullshit...complete and utter bullshit.

The right to vote is sacrosanct.

You are an asshole and it is ILLEGAL to do that.



Glad to know you will stand with us in opposing Obama's Employee Free Choice Act. or is a secret ballot only sacrosant, when it works in your favor?


You do understand the difference between voting in elections in the United States for our government and voting for a union, right? One is not a sacrosanct right, and the other is.



No, I don't. Explain the difference to me.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 3:43:49 PM   
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Thanks julia.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 3:46:26 PM   
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Rich, while you and I disagree on politics, you aren't an asshole....LOL



That would entirely depend on your point of view.

Hi Richie.  



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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 3:54:23 PM   
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Rich, while you and I disagree on politics, you aren't an asshole....LOL



That would entirely depend on your point of view.






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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 3:54:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Environmental Justice... since you have not heard of the concept before

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_justice

Babies are not just a male thing, btw, children belong to both parents, and therefore the cost of bearing them should be split between the sexes


Health Justice

http://www.nature.com/naturejobs/2008/080320/full/nj7185-382a.html

http://www.ahrq.gov/research/diabdisp.htm


http://minorityhealth.hhs.gov/


Gendered and minority Discrimination of research dollars


http://www.questia.com/googleScholar.qst?docId=5002174686

I could get many many more articles for you, but google is your friend if your question was about learning of these inequalities and not "winning" a debate. This isn't about winning a debate for me, I am genuinely saddened by this

Oh, and btw, I don't have a profile that tells racists to fuck off for shits and giggles, once men find out I am an anthropologist I have to hear them blather on about racist bullshit, so I thought I would head them off at the pass and tell them to "fuck off" before they even tried



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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 3:58:28 PM   
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Rich, while you and I disagree on politics, you aren't an asshole....LOL



That would entirely depend on your point of view.






Some people don't have the sense to get out of the rain, and some have even less sense than that.




Oh Richie, that's what I love about you, your clever way with words.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 4:01:18 PM   
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Environmental Justice... since you have not heard of the concept before

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_justice

Babies are not just a male thing, btw, children belong to both parents, and therefore the cost of bearing them should be split between the sexes


Health Justice

http://www.nature.com/naturejobs/2008/080320/full/nj7185-382a.html

http://www.ahrq.gov/research/diabdisp.htm


http://minorityhealth.hhs.gov/


Gendered and minority Discrimination of research dollars


http://www.questia.com/googleScholar.qst?docId=5002174686

I could get many many more articles for you, but google is your friend if your question was about learning of these inequalities and not "winning" a debate. This isn't about winning a debate for me, I am genuinely saddened by this

Oh, and btw, I don't have a profile that tells racists to fuck off for shits and giggles, once men find out I am an anthropologist I have to hear them blather on about racist bullshit, so I thought I would head them off at the pass and tell them to "fuck off" before they even tried





Sorry. I want to hear answers to my questions in your words, not a bunch of links. Links dont tend to answer very quickly when you ask them questions or point out their inaccuracies. If you arent able to name some simple examples that can be debated, you don't have much of a grasp of what youre claiming.

As far as the cost of having babies, I agree, that cost should be shared by both parents. That is not accomplished by blending maternity costs into everyones premium, however. That spreads maternity costs over groups that are unable or that have no desire to conceive.

It IS accomplished by having babies in a relationship where both parents share economically, and that happens with gender specific rates.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 4:04:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		You asked for data, you got it, now inform yourself about the concepts, or don't...

But I am not going to publish a dissertation on the topic when it is well documented on reputable government sites, scholarly journals, and even corporate ones, such as "Nature"

Now if you didn't really wanna know, fine, I don't care how ignorant you choose to be

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 4:19:13 PM   
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As far as the cost of having babies, I agree, that cost should be shared by both parents. That is not accomplished by blending maternity costs into everyones premium, however. That spreads maternity costs over groups that are unable or that have no desire to conceive.


And it's not just the cost of pregnancy. There are a host of reasons why women are more expensive to insure medically. And why men are more expensive to insure, basically, otherwise (life, auto, etc). Few women never talk about that; nope, the only possible reason their health insurance is more is _ sexism.

I think they have more reason to bitch (pardon the phrase) in clothing stores.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 4:20:41 PM   
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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 4:25:03 PM   
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You asked for data, you got it, now inform yourself about the concepts, or don't...

But I am not going to publish a dissertation on the topic when it is well documented on reputable government sites, scholarly journals, and even corporate ones, such as "Nature"

Now if you didn't really wanna know, fine, I don't care how ignorant you choose to be


thank you for your admission that you dont know or understand what you ranted about to back up what you wrote. If you could it would have taken less time than refusing to do it.

Let me just point out one glaring hole in your rant.

"Why are diseases that impact minority communities not studied as much as the ones that impact white men?"

The answer is because that most diseases that impact white men impact all men, so spending on those does not discriminate. Now if you had claimed there is less spending on diseases that disproportionately impact minorities vs those that disproportionately impact whites, you would be making a claim about discrmination.

Of course that claim is ludicrous on its face. DUCY? Hint: its a 4 letter answer.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 4:33:55 PM   
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But women live longer than men on average......is that somehow sexist also?

Oh hell no. That's the result of all the extra money we spend on their healthcare.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 4:40:34 PM   
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But women live longer than men on average......is that somehow sexist also?


That gap is narrowing as well, as women stay in the workforce longer and smoke in greater numbers than men. And of course it will continue to narrow as the natural limits of extending life are approached there will simply more room for men's longevity to improve than women's.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 4:44:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		Firm, I made an attempt to answer the question.

I think that the premise is naive. It doesn't make him a racist just not very well versed on the world as it is.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 4:51:47 PM   
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But women live longer than men on average......is that somehow sexist also?


Only to someone stupid enough to try to enter that point into discussion.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 5:09:38 PM   
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You don't think he and Popeye have a grasp of the issues?

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 6:49:55 PM   
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Firm, I made an attempt to answer the question.

I think that the premise is naive. It doesn't make him a racist just not very well versed on the world as it is.

domi

You did put more thought and effort than most.

I hope to find the time to respond in detail later.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/24/2010 7:12:49 PM   
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Oh, and btw, I don't have a profile that tells racists to fuck off for shits and giggles, once men find out I am an anthropologist I have to hear them blather on about racist bullshit, so I thought I would head them off at the pass and tell them to "fuck off" before they even tried




Whereas *I* make sure to never mention anything about myself and simply lie in wait for their shitty racist side to come out so I can then surprise them with serious anthropological debate for which they are poorly prepared.

I call it, 'surprise attack of intelligence'. It's fun to watch helpless racists drown in their own insupportable idiocy while I stand above them armed and loaded. It's not fair really. But it's fun.


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