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James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/23/2010 3:20:57 PM   
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Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege

By JAMES WEBB

The NAACP believes the tea party is racist. The tea party believes the NAACP is racist. And Pat Buchanan got into trouble recently by pointing out that if Elena Kagan is confirmed to the Supreme Court, there will not be a single Protestant Justice, although Protestants make up half the U.S. population and dominated the court for generations.

Forty years ago, as the United States experienced the civil rights movement, the supposed monolith of White Anglo-Saxon Protestant dominance served as the whipping post for almost every debate about power and status in America. After a full generation of such debate, WASP elites have fallen by the wayside and a plethora of government-enforced diversity policies have marginalized many white workers. The time has come to cease the false arguments and allow every American the benefit of a fair chance at the future.

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Where should we go from here? Beyond our continuing obligation to assist those African-Americans still in need, government-directed diversity programs should end.

Nondiscrimination laws should be applied equally among all citizens, including those who happen to be white. The need for inclusiveness in our society is undeniable and irreversible, both in our markets and in our communities. Our government should be in the business of enabling opportunity for all, not in picking winners. It can do so by ensuring that artificial distinctions such as race do not determine outcomes.

Memo to my fellow politicians: Drop the Procrustean policies and allow harmony to invade the public mindset. Fairness will happen, and bitterness will fade away.

The full article has a lot more information and justification for his position. Please read it before commenting.

So, two questions:

1.  Is James Webb a racist?
2.  Why do you think he would espouse such a goal, especially now?

Any other (reasonable) comments welcome.

Let's try to hold down the unthinking partisan attacks for this thread though, shall we?

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/23/2010 3:30:26 PM   
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You post something blatantly partisan and racist and then request to not have partisan attacks? 

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/23/2010 3:47:37 PM   
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The 1st sentence is not true.Or even close to true.That defensive,over-reaction is how the crybabies viewed the resolution.

The 2nd statement is true for most cons and old news.The GOP/teabagerepublicaneoconutcases in the "tea-party" have for years called the NAACP "race hustlers".I think we got the comment from wilbur/luckydog when the NAACP news first hit the boards.

The right has been working and talking against the NAACP for years.The Congressional Black Caucus,Black Entertainment Television,ACORN,Jessie Jackson are all targets.Prolly b/c these outfits have had a lot of successes which has translated into GOP losses.If ACORN hadn`t of registered tens of thousands of democrats,they would still be helping poor folks find medical care,food pantries and student loans.They would still be helping folks save their homes and would still be one of the 1000 points of light.

If you can show us Firm how the tea party affiliated Council of Conservative Citizens are not a racist outfit,I`d be obliged.


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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/23/2010 4:11:33 PM   
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You post something blatantly partisan and racist and then request to not have partisan attacks? 


DOH ! He asked you not to mention that.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/23/2010 5:06:53 PM   
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Firm, I have a question for you. If you could wake up tomorrow and be anything you wanted to be, would you rather be a white male or a black male.

And no, you can't choose Lebron James.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/23/2010 5:09:46 PM   
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Are you intentionally paraphrasing President Kennedy.....or did it just work out like that?

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/23/2010 5:10:48 PM   
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By the way jeff,I agree with both you and the late President....and it is the best way to refute these silly arguments.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/23/2010 5:13:09 PM   
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No it was unintentional.

I don't care what anyone says. It is better to wake up in America as a white male than anything else.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/23/2010 5:14:33 PM   
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No shit....methinks I will try that tomorrow morning.....lol.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/23/2010 5:15:07 PM   
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I found parts of the piece relatively bogus. For example: "After a full generation of such debate, WASP elites have fallen by the wayside and a plethora of government-enforced diversity policies have marginalized many white workers."

First, he's assuming that white elites were/are all Protestant.  Second, this is an opinion piece for the WSJ, and Wall Street's famous for hiring from Ivy League MBA programs.  So are they still elites?  Even if they may be kids of Asian, Indian, etc.?

"Many white workers" is way too broad.  Which industries?  Which positions?

Considering that blacks make up 12% of the population, how can they exert large displacements in the workplace?  Or is he talking about Hispanics?

"In an odd historical twist that all Americans see but few can understand, many programs allow recently arrived immigrants to move ahead of similarly situated whites whose families have been in the country for generations. These programs have damaged racial harmony. And the more they have grown, the less they have actually helped African-Americans, the intended beneficiaries of affirmative action as it was originally conceived."

Which programs, which immigrants?  He's saying that these programs didn't help African-Americans, which sounds like he was in favor of AA in the first place.

I give the piece a fail in general, based on logic. 

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/23/2010 5:19:03 PM   
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No shit....methinks I will try that tomorrow morning.....lol.


Give it a shot dude.......check this out.... all the whining we do about taxes and shit?

WHite folks don't actually PAY taxes!

They still send us some money every April too!

If you can pass, I highly recommend it. Don't tell em you heard it from me.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/23/2010 5:20:56 PM   
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You dont need to analyze his reasoning, history etc. Ultimately it comes down to the same old thing. "Diversity programs", whether they be government or private are racist. You either believe that some racism is good, and they should be continued, or all racism is bad, and they should be abolished. My position on that is eminently clear.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/23/2010 5:24:36 PM   
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We would all love to believe that everything is equal. Everyone has a fair shot. If this were the case I would call for the end of any type of a law that would benefit one set of Americans over another.

But the fallacy of the article lies is in the simple minded conclusion of the author...."Fairness will happen, and bitterness will fade away."

Most times before I post I like to do some further research on a topic. Some of it is a little dated but I believe to be still relevant. I didn't take the time to try and figure out the background or the political affiliations of these people but I believe there is strong merit to believe it is factual...

http://www.alternet.org/story/35398/?comments=view&cID=112702&pID=112573

Discrimination: The Root of the Black Job Crisis
Nearly forty percent of young black males are unemployed. Not by choice; because employers refuse to hire them.

April 24, 2006 |
The battle continues to rage between economists, politicians, immigrants' rights activists, and black anti-immigration activists over whether illegal immigrants are the major cause of double-digit joblessness among poor, unskilled young black males.

But several years before the immigration combatants squared off, then-University of Wisconsin graduate researcher Devah Pager pointed the finger in another direction -- a direction that makes most employers squirm. That's the persistent and deep racial discrimination in the workplace. Pager found that black men without a criminal record are less likely to find a job than white men with criminal records

But in 2005, Pager, now a sociologist at Princeton, duplicated her study. She surveyed nearly 1,500 private employers in New York City. She used teams of black and white testers, standardized resumes, and she followed up their visits with telephone interviews with employers. These are the standard methods researchers use to test racial discrimination.

The results were exactly the same as in her earlier study. Black men with no criminal records were no more likely to find work than white men with criminal records. That's true despite the fact that New York has some of the nation's toughest laws against job discrimination

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/business/12fedex.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1279929743-bAPpZzmlwUMt1PLx3f2hbA

FedEx Settles Racial Discrimination Suit


By REUTERS
Published: April 12, 2007
CHICAGO, April 11 (Reuters) — The package delivery company FedEx said on Wednesday that it had agreed to settle a racial discrimination lawsuit against its express unit, FedEx Express, for $53.5 million.

The suit, filed in 2003, charged that FedEx Express discriminated against its African-American and Hispanic workers by passing them over for promotion, paying them less than white workers and treating them unfairly in evaluation and disciplinary proceedings.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/340087/how_racial_discrimination_cases_change.html?cat=17

How Racial Discrimination Cases Change the Fate of Prospective Employees

Despite the technological advancements and progress in social awareness that this country has made, we still have a long way to go in establishing equality among all races, classes, and genders. Discrimination and

prejudice stems from eons of cultural ideology in which one nationality or race deems themselves better than another. This is still alive in many facets of our daily lives, and sadly, one of those is in the realm of a necessity to a fruitful life: employment.

Landmark cases on racial discrimination in employment have catapulted our citizens into a state of heightened awareness. The traditional patriarchal view that in some ways recognize white men as the leaders in industry and economy (as well as intellect and ability) is thankfully dwindling due to some brave individuals who fought for the right to equal value and opportunities.

One such example of a landmark case on racial discrimination in employment is that of a group of former Walgreens employees versus their former employer. The US Equal Employment Opportunity Commission found that Walgreens employers had been assigning African Americans to lower performing stores in African American neighborhoods. Further violating Title VII of the Civil Rights Code, Walgreens denied promotions to non-white workers. The ensuing lawsuit against Walgreens resulted in a $20 million settlement.

These landmark cases on racial discrimination in employment can provide an insight into our social paradigms and help to swing the pendulum into a blind society where skin color and dimensions are not used as guidelines for employment or abilities.

In April of 2005, Judge Susan Illston of the US District Court for the Northern District of California deemed Abercrombie and Fitch guilty in racial discrimination against employees. The approved settlement stipulated that the retail chain pay out $40 million in damages to the claimants. As of now, Abercrombie and Fitch are under a consent decree to set benchmarks for hiring those of African American, Latino, or Asian decent as well as women.

The positive repercussions of this landmark case on racial discrimination in employment may indeed spur a more diverse employee base in one of North America's largest chain clothing stores. But this attention may also

only serve to propagate the racial judgments that got them in this predicament in the first place.

Affirmative Action is a byproduct of these landmark cases on racial discrimination in employment. Some revel in the apparent equality that this measure summons, but others lament the requirement to hire on the basis of race and gender as they feel it presents a more invidious hiring approach and deepens resentment between racial groups.

Either way, it seems these landmark cases on racial discrimination in employment are deepening our awareness of workplace diversity as well as the legal implications of who hires whom.


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The argument could be made to let the courts handle it once allegations of racial discrimination have come to light. However, for many small and large businesses the practice of hiring only whites is common place. They are probably never going to get caught but perhaps knowing that such laws exist might make them pause and reevaluate their hiring practices.

You give someone a "fair" interview but they simply never are going to get the job no matter their qualifications.

Unlike racistjim this is an actual encounter that I will share with you. I run with a rough crowd. we don't pull punches and we call each other on our bullshit.

A good friend of mine owns a small financial advisory firm. He thinks that everything is hunky dory and that all affirmative action should be halted as it is no longer necessary and it only helps the unqualified gain employment. He is a Ronald Reagan loving conservative.

After making his statement another friend of ours mentioned that in all of the time that he has owned his firm that we have never noticed a dark complected face working for his firm. He asked what happens to the resumes of the Jamal Washingtons and the Latoya Parkers? My friend paused and then contritely said that they get thrown away.

We all said that he was an hypocritical asshole. He agreed.

It still doesn't change a damn thing.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/23/2010 5:26:39 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

You dont need to analyze his reasoning, history etc. Ultimately it comes down to the same old thing. "Diversity programs", whether they be government or private are racist. You either believe that some racism is good, and they should be continued, or all racism is bad, and they should be abolished. My position on that is eminently clear.


What they are designed to do is end one set of racist conditions. perhaps they are racist in their wording or their implementation.

I can live with it.

You are a turd. I unfortunately have to live with that as well

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/23/2010 5:29:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: domiguy


quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

You dont need to analyze his reasoning, history etc. Ultimately it comes down to the same old thing. "Diversity programs", whether they be government or private are racist. You either believe that some racism is good, and they should be continued, or all racism is bad, and they should be abolished. My position on that is eminently clear.


What they are designed to do is end one set of racist conditions. perhaps they are racist in their wording or their implementation.

I can live with it.

You are a turd. I unfortunately have to live with that as well


He outed himself earlier as a liar and a jag off on another thread.

No need to block him, you can just skim over it like everyone else will.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/23/2010 5:34:36 PM   
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I've always given a jaundiced eye to the "unqualified minority" line.  I've known shitloads of unqualified white guys.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/23/2010 5:37:00 PM   
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I've always given a jaundiced eye to the "unqualified minority" line.  I've known shitloads of unqualified white guys.

And your Doctor's probably from somewhere in Asia.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/23/2010 5:39:55 PM   
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I've always given a jaundiced eye to the "unqualified minority" line.  I've known shitloads of unqualified white guys.


I so want to post "Sexually?" to this.
 
But thorny looks mean.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/23/2010 6:00:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

You dont need to analyze his reasoning, history etc. Ultimately it comes down to the same old thing. "Diversity programs", whether they be government or private are racist. You either believe that some racism is good, and they should be continued, or all racism is bad, and they should be abolished. My position on that is eminently clear.


So sayeth the fat old white man.

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RE: James Webb: Diversity and the Myth of White Privilege - 7/23/2010 6:05:41 PM   
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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

You dont need to analyze his reasoning, history etc. Ultimately it comes down to the same old thing. "Diversity programs", whether they be government or private are racist. You either believe that some racism is good, and they should be continued, or all racism is bad, and they should be abolished. My position on that is eminently clear.
Of course one might think this is a convienent position for a white man to take .Discovering at this late date that racism is baaaad.

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