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RE: Gingrich Gone Mad - 7/31/2010 10:45:49 AM   
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RE: Gingrich Gone Mad - 7/31/2010 11:00:25 AM   
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No he was being strategic, but he didnt even hint at tactics, and to read any into what he said is speculation at best. In fact suggestions of attacking Iran would be a sea change from his oft stated position of economic sanctions. AFAIR his position on attacking Iran has always been one of 1. Strike only their missile bases. 2. Let Israel do it.


So, if Israel attacks only their missle bases in Iran there will be no counter attack from Hezbollah from the north, no attack against US installations remaining in Iraq, and no bottle neck in the Straights of Hormuz? Are the Persians that easy to knock off? Do you think Gingrich has a reasonable position?

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RE: Gingrich Gone Mad - 7/31/2010 11:02:23 AM   
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He's playing to The Family, which DOES want to conquer Iran and North Korea. Nuts, but they have money. Lots of it.


An attack on NK would have catastrophic results for the South I think.

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RE: Gingrich Gone Mad - 7/31/2010 11:11:24 AM   
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No he was being strategic, but he didnt even hint at tactics, and to read any into what he said is speculation at best. In fact suggestions of attacking Iran would be a sea change from his oft stated position of economic sanctions. AFAIR his position on attacking Iran has always been one of 1. Strike only their missile bases. 2. Let Israel do it.


So, if Israel attacks only their missle bases in Iran there will be no counter attack from Hezbollah from the north, no attack against US installations remaining in Iraq, and no bottle neck in the Straights of Hormuz? Are the Persians that easy to knock off? Do you think Gingrich has a reasonable position?


No. I think we should have bombed strategic Iranian nuclear and missile sites long ago. Hes too much of a dove on the issue.

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RE: Gingrich Gone Mad - 7/31/2010 11:20:30 AM   
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RE: Gingrich Gone Mad - 7/31/2010 11:32:47 AM   
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No he was being strategic, but he didnt even hint at tactics, and to read any into what he said is speculation at best. In fact suggestions of attacking Iran would be a sea change from his oft stated position of economic sanctions. AFAIR his position on attacking Iran has always been one of 1. Strike only their missile bases. 2. Let Israel do it.


So, if Israel attacks only their missle bases in Iran there will be no counter attack from Hezbollah from the north, no attack against US installations remaining in Iraq, and no bottle neck in the Straights of Hormuz? Are the Persians that easy to knock off? Do you think Gingrich has a reasonable position?


No. I think we should have bombed strategic Iranian nuclear and missile sites long ago. Hes too much of a dove on the issue.


A long time ago? Would that have lessened the certainty of Iranian counter attack?

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RE: Gingrich Gone Mad - 7/31/2010 11:34:32 AM   
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No he was being strategic, but he didnt even hint at tactics, and to read any into what he said is speculation at best. In fact suggestions of attacking Iran would be a sea change from his oft stated position of economic sanctions. AFAIR his position on attacking Iran has always been one of 1. Strike only their missile bases. 2. Let Israel do it.


So, if Israel attacks only their missle bases in Iran there will be no counter attack from Hezbollah from the north, no attack against US installations remaining in Iraq, and no bottle neck in the Straights of Hormuz? Are the Persians that easy to knock off? Do you think Gingrich has a reasonable position?


No. I think we should have bombed strategic Iranian nuclear and missile sites long ago. Hes too much of a dove on the issue.


A long time ago? Would that have lessened the certainty of Iranian counter attack?


"certainty"? Without missiles how were or are they going to counter attack?

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RE: Gingrich Gone Mad - 7/31/2010 12:00:52 PM   
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No he was being strategic, but he didnt even hint at tactics, and to read any into what he said is speculation at best. In fact suggestions of attacking Iran would be a sea change from his oft stated position of economic sanctions. AFAIR his position on attacking Iran has always been one of 1. Strike only their missile bases. 2. Let Israel do it.


So, if Israel attacks only their missle bases in Iran there will be no counter attack from Hezbollah from the north, no attack against US installations remaining in Iraq, and no bottle neck in the Straights of Hormuz? Are the Persians that easy to knock off? Do you think Gingrich has a reasonable position?


No. I think we should have bombed strategic Iranian nuclear and missile sites long ago. Hes too much of a dove on the issue.


A long time ago? Would that have lessened the certainty of Iranian counter attack?


"certainty"? Without missiles how were or are they going to counter attack?


Whoa, cold war thinking. We could not find the Iraqi mobile missle units in Gulf War I. Fortunately for Israel cities they were pretty inaccurate. Israel was highly ineffectual fending off the more recent Hezbollah missle attacks.

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RE: Gingrich Gone Mad - 7/31/2010 2:15:19 PM   
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No he was being strategic, but he didnt even hint at tactics, and to read any into what he said is speculation at best. In fact suggestions of attacking Iran would be a sea change from his oft stated position of economic sanctions. AFAIR his position on attacking Iran has always been one of 1. Strike only their missile bases. 2. Let Israel do it.


So, if Israel attacks only their missle bases in Iran there will be no counter attack from Hezbollah from the north, no attack against US installations remaining in Iraq, and no bottle neck in the Straights of Hormuz? Are the Persians that easy to knock off? Do you think Gingrich has a reasonable position?


No. I think we should have bombed strategic Iranian nuclear and missile sites long ago. Hes too much of a dove on the issue.


A long time ago? Would that have lessened the certainty of Iranian counter attack?


"certainty"? Without missiles how were or are they going to counter attack?


bobble head wilbur,

How long have we had it preached to us about terrorist and dirty bombs?  Your concerned about missiles,  if anybody has the materials to make a suitcase bomb are a dirty weapon it is Iran.

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RE: Gingrich Gone Mad - 7/31/2010 5:52:03 PM   
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Another Republican P.O.S. He needs to retire.



He needs to stop breathing my air

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RE: Gingrich Gone Mad - 7/31/2010 8:15:44 PM   
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I wonder why we are so freaked out about the possibility of a nuclear Iran, when it is more than likely that within the next 5 years radical Muslims will overthrow the weak ineffective Pakistani govt and we will be facing a nuclear Islamic state.

But its not like they will be pissed at us for endlessly bombing their civilians or anything.

But we should also keep in mind we lived with a nuclear Stalin and nuclear Mao for a few decades. The neocons like Newt have a megalomaniac desire for America uber alles, an America that controls every last nation on earth, a worlview that is based on abject fear of dealing with others as equals.

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RE: Gingrich Gone Mad - 7/31/2010 8:43:24 PM   
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I wonder why we are so freaked out about the possibility of a nuclear Iran, when it is more than likely that within the next 5 years radical Muslims will overthrow the weak ineffective Pakistani govt and we will be facing a nuclear Islamic state.

But its not like they will be pissed at us for endlessly bombing their civilians or anything.

But we should also keep in mind we lived with a nuclear Stalin and nuclear Mao for a few decades. The neocons like Newt have a megalomaniac desire for America uber alles, an America that controls every last nation on earth, a worlview that is based on abject fear of dealing with others as equals.


It was widely reported then conveniently forgotten that Mr Kahn of Pakistan supplied the nuclear recipes to Iran.

We really don't know who is on our side over there.... a safe bet.... nobody.

Time to stop wasting young american lives and $100s B upon unreliable "partners." Bring the troops home. Dismantle the boondogle Homeland Security Agency and deploy slim, fast counterterrorist squads to protect our vital ports of entry. A good place to start would be by learning from the NYC antiterrorist squad.

Don't know how we can justify sending 100,000 armed troops and 100,000 armed contractors to hunt down 50 Al Quaeda and fight an assortment of Afghan tribes who never attacked us in the first place. Silliest damn govts these past ten years. at least Clinton had sense enough not to involve our boots on the ground even though he could keep his fly zipped. wtf?

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RE: Gingrich Gone Mad - 8/1/2010 8:50:24 AM   
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Newt should stick to writing alternate historical histories...he's actually quite good at it....

No he isn't. He's no Harry Turtledove or Ward Moore, is he? His characterisation and plotting are even worse than Jerry Pournelle's, which is no mean feat...

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RE: Gingrich Gone Mad - 8/1/2010 9:23:25 AM   
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So, if Israel attacks only their missle bases in Iran there will be no counter attack from Hezbollah from the north, no attack against US installations remaining in Iraq, and no bottle neck in the Straights of Hormuz? Are the Persians that easy to knock off? Do you think Gingrich has a reasonable position?


All of that- and much more- would pale into insignificance before the launch of Iranian nukes at Israel. It's a chance we cannot- and that the world, ultimately, will not- take.

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RE: Gingrich Gone Mad - 8/1/2010 9:25:03 AM   
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An attack on NK would have catastrophic results for the South I think.


It's not like I'm hooked into the Pentagon, but I think the commonly accepted KIA figures from NK artillery batteries trained on Seoul is a million.

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RE: Gingrich Gone Mad - 8/1/2010 9:27:47 AM   
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No. I think we should have bombed strategic Iranian nuclear and missile sites long ago.


We literally have them surrounded with well-supplied ground forces whose missions are winding down.....

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RE: Gingrich Gone Mad - 8/1/2010 9:29:42 AM   
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if anybody has the materials to make a suitcase bomb are a dirty weapon it is Iran.


In your thinking, is that a reason not to destroy their nuclear facilities????

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RE: Gingrich Gone Mad - 8/1/2010 10:11:51 AM   
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if anybody has the materials to make a suitcase bomb are a dirty weapon it is Iran.


In your thinking, is that a reason not to destroy their nuclear facilities????


Are you the only one dumb enough to think they have all of the material in one location with a big target and sign that says "place bomb here"?

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RE: Gingrich Gone Mad - 8/1/2010 10:13:44 AM   
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No. I think we should have bombed strategic Iranian nuclear and missile sites long ago.


We literally have them surrounded with well-supplied ground forces whose missions are winding down.....


Iran fought Iraq to a seven year stalemate. You put too much confidence in the highly disbursed troops we have "surrounding" Iran.

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RE: Gingrich Gone Mad - 8/1/2010 10:15:21 AM   
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An attack on NK would have catastrophic results for the South I think.


It's not like I'm hooked into the Pentagon, but I think the commonly accepted KIA figures from NK artillery batteries trained on Seoul is a million.


A million here, a million there. Eventually it adds up to big numbers.... to paraphrase the late Sen Dirkson.

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