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VioletGray -> The role of race in conservative media (7/31/2010 6:19:58 AM)

Ok, first let me say that I identify as a liberal, but I can respect conservative philosophy.  Smaller government (which to some means more freedom), the right to bear arms (which for some means not being totally subservient to the government),  Capitalism ( which for some means the right to prosper as much as their work and brilliance allows them to, without having to share it with people who didn't earn it),  I get that.  I mean no disrespect to the conservatism at its essence.  I think that we need both parties, as it will be the job of each party to tug us back toward the center should we slide too far in either direction.  I believe that it is the tension between these two that keeps the country running.

BUT---

As of late, have you noticed a theme as far as FOX news and conservative blogs to a lesser extent?  Here's some examples:

Reverend Wright.                     issue:         race.
"New" Black Panther party        issue:         race.
Shirley Sherrod                         issue:         race.

As well as targets Van Jones, a civil rights activist, and ACORN, an organization that helped mostly poor minorities until it was viciously lied about.

Do you think it's odd that all of these issues have arisen since the Obama presidency?  The "New Black Panther Party" has been around since the mid-nineties (and is NOT recognized as such by any of the REAL former black panthers.) Then you have this:

Rush Limbaugh:    "Obama's after reparations for blacks!"
Glenn Beck:         "Obama is a racist!"
Michelle Malkin:   " Obama is a racial opportunist!"  

As well as an entire chorus of birthers, racist picket sign holders, and people saying "Barack is a Kenyan Muslim Socialist/Marxist/Nazi who kills babies, kills them with the guns he confiscates from decent, hard-working 'mericans!"

So here's the question, and not just for conservatives: Do you feel like you're being fed something? Do you feel as if there is a deliberate effort by the right-wing media, through subtle implications and more overt means, to drive home the idea that the black people are out to get you? I don't want to make this post really, really long, but if you're not familiar with it, look up "southern strategy" on Wikipedia.  It seems to me that the southern strategy is being attempted on a national scale because for the first time in history, we have a president that they think it might work on.

You know why I hate reality shows? Because they insult my intelligence.  They want me to believe that every thing Snookie or Flavor Flav does just happened on its own, that none of the situations were written into the show, and they try to control my emotions through cheap editing tricks (especially contests, where they say "and the winner is..." and then prolong it with shots of the anxious contestants faces, for like 30 seconds with suspenseful music. I'm looking at YOU, Last Comic Standing!)

It's that same annoyance I feel with the right-wing media right now.  Are there liberals trying to push some sort of propaganda onto the public as well? I'm sure. But really who cares? If the liberal movement was a T-Rex, the propaganda section would be the arms. And BOTH those arms are Rachel Maddow, who is awesome, but she can't do it all by herself.

I guess my point is that, seriously, the conservative point of view I think has enough merit on its own without having to resort to these terrible tactics.  This is the same part of the Right that insists on the saying Barack HUSSEIN Obama.




thishereboi -> RE: The role of race in conservative media (7/31/2010 8:59:06 AM)

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Are there liberals trying to push some sort of propaganda onto the public as well? I'm sure. But really who cares?


You admit that the left does the same thing, but you don't care about them? Then why do you think the right should be any better?

Maybe when people quit pointing fingers at the other side, we can move forward. But until then, I don't see much change happening.




MrRodgers -> RE: The role of race in conservative media (7/31/2010 9:34:15 AM)

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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Are there liberals trying to push some sort of propaganda onto the public as well? I'm sure. But really who cares?


You admit that the left does the same thing, but you don't care about them? Then why do you think the right should be any better?

Maybe when people quit pointing fingers at the other side, we can move forward. But until then, I don't see much change happening.

The left was hardly spouting and much more accurately, that Bush & co. were WASP racists and the Republicans are largely the same yet read no such recognition of that in her post.

The simple fact is Rupurt Murdoch (Fox) is a Joseph Goebbels wannabe...spouting lies as news. Furthermore, he's so focused on power and money...he's gone totally senile. Maybe Goebbels would be jealous having media in front of about 5 billion people.

Kinkroids, you are aware that 'journalists' [sic] at Fox are in fact fired for not reporting just what and how he tells you. You are aware that Fox hires their own 'liberals' that nobody has ever heard or heard of before and are to debate and at the end of segments...begin to agree with the right-wingnuts.

There really is no reason to even believe Fox commercials let alone any of their programming. I watch Fox for auto racing and football...only.




subrob1967 -> RE: The role of race in conservative media (7/31/2010 9:48:15 AM)

Rev Wright has been preaching Black Liberation Theology for 20+ years, but it becomes about race only when it's reported?

I guess we should have ignored it, because it wasn't an issue until one of his parishioners, and students runs for the highest office in the land.[8|]

I guess it's ok for militant Black Panther's to intimidate voters too, until those evil conservative's make it an issue about race...Let's kill them "cracka" babies!!!!

As a conservative who grew up in Chicago, all I heard was a constant barrage of "tryin to keep the black man down" coming from the likes of Dorothy Tillman, & Jesse Jackson, in fact, liberals, specifically black liberals have been using that card for so damn long that it's overplayed & useless now.

The Sherrod thing was the administration's fault, I know how you guys love to blame Fox & Breitbart, but neither has the power to fire a government employee, if they did, Obama would have been gone a year ago.

I'm sorry, but liberals made this bed, now they have to lie in it.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: The role of race in conservative media (7/31/2010 11:08:27 AM)

BUT---

As of late, have you noticed a theme as far as FOX news and conservative blogs to a lesser extent? Here's some examples:

Reverend Wright. issue: race. He is a racist, what else is there to report about?
"New" Black Panther party issue: race. They are racists that intimidate and threaten violence, what else is there to report about?
Shirley Sherrod issue: race. She sees things through a racial prism, and has acted in a racist fashion. Everything in her public history is about race. What else is there to report about?

As well as targets Van Jones, a civil rights activist, and ACORN, an organization that helped mostly poor minorities until it was viciously lied about. Van Jones, a conspiracy lunatic who should have been vetted better. It had nothing to do with race. ACORN, a corrupt organization. Their downfall had nothing to do with race.

Do you think it's odd that all of these issues have arisen since the Obama presidency? The "New Black Panther Party" has been around since the mid-nineties (and is NOT recognized as such by any of the REAL former black panthers.) Then you have this:

Rush Limbaugh: "Obama's after reparations for blacks!" Hyperbole for redistribution of wealth.
Glenn Beck: "Obama is a racist!" He is. did you read Audacity of Hope?
Michelle Malkin: " Obama is a racial opportunist!" I agree, she is wrong. Obama is a racial misopportunist He has either hidden in the background on the issue since becoming POTUS or blown it when he has acted on it, eg Gates, Sherrod and NBPP.




vincentML -> RE: The role of race in conservative media (7/31/2010 11:29:58 AM)

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It seems to me that the southern strategy is being attempted on a national scale because for the first time in history, we have a president that they think it might work on.


The southern strategy is no longer just about race and it is not confined to the southern states. It has morphed into an ethnic, class and culturally devisive election strategy. It is beer drinkers vs Eastern Elites. It is high school grads/dropouts vs University educated. It is small town Wasilla vs Manhatten.

It was used quite effectively by Hillary Clinton in Ohio, Pennsylvania and West Virginia. The key is "he is not like us."

From the Wiki article:

In recent years, the term "Southern strategy" has been used in a more general sense, referring to the way in which political parties use cultural themes in election campaigns — primarily but not exclusively in the American South. In the past, politicians' highlighting of issues such as busing or states' rights appealed to white angst about integration. More recently, Republican politicians made appeals to "conservative values", and used cultural issues such as gay marriage, abortion, and religion to mobilize their base.





liks2plzlf -> RE: The role of race in conservative media (7/31/2010 11:48:11 AM)

I used to be Republican but then Bush started to scare me on his second term. I am now independent, but the Dems are starting to scare me too. I believe the best government is less government. There has to be a a center of control lest there be chaos, but the states must have rights too. I can vote and email my congressmen, and hopefully, they will take notice of what I an others desire. If not we can get rid of them come election time. I have no influence on other states and since Utah is the big red one, my vote for president is cast for me. A federal government with to much power is not a good thing in my humble estimation, and we already pay more in tax than we should have to because the government is to big, and corrupt. I am afraid this far left, far right crap is going to destroy the country We need a strong third party to bring comprise, and do what is best for the country and not just for the party.




vincentML -> RE: The role of race in conservative media (7/31/2010 11:53:42 AM)


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ORIGINAL: liks2plzlf

I used to be Republican but then Bush started to scare me on his second term. I am now independent, but the Dems are starting to scare me too. I believe the best government is less government. There has to be a a center of control lest there be chaos, but the states must have rights too. I can vote and email my congressmen, and hopefully, they will take notice of what I an others desire. If not we can get rid of them come election time. I have no influence on other states and since Utah is the big red one, my vote for president is cast for me. A federal government with to much power is not a good thing in my humble estimation, and we already pay more in tax than we should have to because the government is to big, and corrupt. I am afraid this far left, far right crap is going to destroy the country We need a strong third party to bring comprise, and do what is best for the country and not just for the party.


Political influence and money rather easily cross state borders.




liks2plzlf -> RE: The role of race in conservative media (7/31/2010 12:50:57 PM)

N ot sure I understand. How can I influence Co. or Nv. elections or decisions? I don't have much money and probably less influence, other then my emails and vote




Elisabella -> RE: The role of race in conservative media (7/31/2010 3:31:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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Are there liberals trying to push some sort of propaganda onto the public as well? I'm sure. But really who cares?


You admit that the left does the same thing, but you don't care about them? Then why do you think the right should be any better?

Maybe when people quit pointing fingers at the other side, we can move forward. But until then, I don't see much change happening.


Her post wasn't questioning the existence of propaganda but rather the type and message, if I read it right.

Good post VG. I don't know if things have become a lot more racially divided in the past year or if I've just had my head in the sand but it's pretty disturbing. I'm pretty sick of the idea that only white Christians are 'real Americans' and I've seen and read some pretty disturbing images and commentary about Obama. To be honest I never thought US society was that prejudiced but it seems to be showing itself.

To answer your question VG yes I do feel like a lot of media outlets are relying on a race war paradigm. I think that's true on both sides though - the right is more obvious and more prejudiced and hate filled, but the left has its own issues, imo, too quick to label anything "racist" or "prejudiced."

Anyway from one American to another - I'm sorry you have to deal with that shit. It's stupid and it's ignorant and I really can't understand how it makes you feel but the right needs to get over this tea party birther bullshit.




Aylee -> RE: The role of race in conservative media (7/31/2010 4:04:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: VioletGray

Are there liberals trying to push some sort of propaganda onto the public as well? I'm sure. But really who cares?


Ezra Klein

JournoList

Google is your friend.




vincentML -> RE: The role of race in conservative media (7/31/2010 4:16:26 PM)


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ORIGINAL: liks2plzlf

N ot sure I understand. How can I influence Co. or Nv. elections or decisions? I don't have much money and probably less influence, other then my emails and vote


I did not mean you had influence. I imagine you are aware that many special interest organizations and political action committees spend money to influence elections within your State, despite the fact they are located beyond the boundaries of Utah (was it?)




Owner59 -> RE: The role of race in conservative media (7/31/2010 8:24:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aylee

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ORIGINAL: VioletGray

Are there liberals trying to push some sort of propaganda onto the public as well? I'm sure. But really who cares?


Ezra Klein

JournoList

Google is your friend.


That`s what foxnoise does on a daily basis.That`s what fox news did on a daily basis,coordinating with bush/rove for 8 years.

So when a few private journalists blunt the hate-stream coming from rightist media, it`s an issue?


Cons are a bit late with the outrage on that shit.


If Obama had been connected to those individuals,it would be a conspiracy.He wasn`t and it`s not.

Now fox is working directly with the teabaggerepublicans,coordinating and planning political activity with them.foxnews has morphed into the media arm of the GOP.



Name any outlet or anyone in MSM doing that?

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I still haven`t seen anything Wright has said that wasn`t true.

Sure he`s spooked a few sheep but given black history..........which is American history,.......Wright hasn`t said anything that wasn`t deserved. Sure it`s hard medicine to hear what a white Christian nation did to defenseless people based only on their skin color.

To fucking bad.

If you`re to timid and immature to handle the results of decades of fucking over black people and their natural honest reactions,stay out of the kitchen.

Unless of course, one believes government sanctioned violence against blacks,jim crow,the horrifying Tuskegee experiments,redlining,Katherine Harris and now what bitefart and rightist news did to Mrs Sharrod is ok.



Fox is still going after Mrs. Sharrod and now her husband too.



Rightist media and the GOP are most definitely using southern strategy techneques to use race against Obama.

Does anyone believe we would be hearing so much about angry/scary black people if Hillary Clinton or John McCain was President?

Think about it?




Aylee -> RE: The role of race in conservative media (7/31/2010 8:33:21 PM)

59 ~

I never suggested a conspiracy. 

(As far as a liberal group goes) I did.  JournoList. 

You have absolutly NO idea what the horrifying part of Tuskegee was. 

If they are (FOX News), I don't watch it so I do not know, then they should stop and instead be looking into Waters and Rangel.

You might want to wipe that spittle from your lips. 




VioletGray -> RE: The role of race in conservative media (7/31/2010 11:14:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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Are there liberals trying to push some sort of propaganda onto the public as well? I'm sure. But really who cares?


You admit that the left does the same thing, but you don't care about them? Then why do you think the right should be any better?

Maybe when people quit pointing fingers at the other side, we can move forward. But until then, I don't see much change happening.


You misunderstand me, I suspect deliberately. Did you actually think that I meant to point the finger at the right, while excusing the left for the exact same thing?

Really?

I refuse to believe that you're that dense. I'm not being sarcastic when I say that, I mean I literally refuse.

What I'm saying is that I'm sure there are elements on both sides who spew propaganda, but any on the left side is ineffectual to the point of being almost completely inconsequential. The left has nothing like the finely tuned propaganda juggernaut that is Fox News. Pushing right-wing talking points is what they do, but right now they're taking the low road, and trying to appeal to people's prejudice.

Subrob and Willbeurdaddy, we can debate those points over the next dozen or so posts, but It would really do no good because I get the impression that you're going to believe what you want to, regardless of anything I say. Anyway, if you're trying to debate who's racist and how racist you are missing my point, which is this:

There are plenty of political stories to report about I'm sure, but I think that the recent upsurge on stories with an element of racial tension is a deliberate means to an end. Whether the stories are true or not, they are being selected because they fit a certain strategy.




subrob1967 -> RE: The role of race in conservative media (8/1/2010 1:57:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: VioletGray
Subrob and Willbeurdaddy, we can debate those points over the next dozen or so posts, but It would really do no good because I get the impression that you're going to believe what you want to, regardless of anything I say. Anyway, if you're trying to debate who's racist and how racist you are missing my point, which is this:

There are plenty of political stories to report about I'm sure, but I think that the recent upsurge on stories with an element of racial tension is a deliberate means to an end. Whether the stories are true or not, they are being selected because they fit a certain strategy.


I understood your point, and agree that a "He's racist/She's racist" debate is moot,  and it's in the agenda of both major political parties to try and score points off of the other, but in the end it's the media who propagate these stories to try and gain ratings, and advertiser dollars.

My point was Rev Wright was news, unfortunately the Journalist people did everything in their power to quash the story, followed by the Cambridge P.D. story, and continuing with the Black Panther's story, and the Tea Party attacks...Every news outlet are carrying these types of stories now  because they're news. None of the news outlets want to be trumped on the next big story by the likes of Drudge or Breitbart, therefore they all jump on a story without getting all the facts, and vetting the source...Welcome to "right this second media"..




Owner59 -> RE: The role of race in conservative media (8/1/2010 5:01:10 AM)

nah nah ,.....you mean fox has to lie and cheat and make up stories to try and gain ratings, and advertiser dollars.....


The race baiting ,fear mongering jerry springer...........[:D]




LadyEllen -> RE: The role of race in conservative media (8/1/2010 6:40:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: VioletGray

I guess my point is that, seriously, the conservative point of view I think has enough merit on its own without having to resort to these terrible tactics. 


Conservative ideology seems to boil down to "every man for himself" and "the devil take the hindmost". Its a great ideology to espouse when you have a bunch of people you dont regard as part of your society but who anyway are, who are readily identifiable as such, that can be the hindmost so that none of the people you give a damn about need be the losers under the policies you formulate and these identifiable outsiders can take that place on a consistent basis.

As such its an absolute disaster to have someone who might be thought of as one of these identifiable outsiders get ahead in any way - for it inevitably means that one of your own must have lost out. For one such to have achieved the highest office in the land is a catastrophe of epic proportion for not only does the former consequence apply but also this person might seek to avenge the policies you espoused - which you and everyone else knew all along were designed to result in that identifiable bunch of outsiders being the hindmost.

Worst of all you now know that substantial numbers of your own must have voted for this identifiable outsider and must then have lost faith with your ideology, having seen its weaknesses. Youre in trouble, losing an ideological battle and standing to lose your privilege and entitlement. Yet you dont question the ideology but rather accentuate it, going further than before to express through policy its nature and aims and, realising its exposed position you go for full and open, naked disclosure of what its really about; keeping the identifiable outsiders identifiably outside the advantages you establish and maintain for your own.

You have to embark on a campaign to achieve this - a campaign to remind your own of the nature of those you consider to be outsiders, those who are not to benefit from your policies so that your own might get more from them being the hindmost, those who if permitted an equal entitlement would take benefits away from your own, those who would surely like to turn the tables if the opportunity arose. Remind your own of the fears which their enlightenment has alleviated. Remind them that someone has to lose in your ideology and its better for them if its the identifiable outsiders by design rather than just anyone on the basis of ability and effort.

Peddle this long enough and you know that as history shows, you shall be rewarded, for lies told often enough become the perception and it is perception which determines truth and wins elections.

E




thishereboi -> RE: The role of race in conservative media (8/1/2010 7:23:59 AM)

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What I'm saying is that I'm sure there are elements on both sides who spew propaganda, but any on the left side is ineffectual to the point of being almost completely inconsequential. The left has nothing like the finely tuned propaganda juggernaut that is Fox News. Pushing right-wing talking points is what they do, but right now they're taking the low road, and trying to appeal to people's prejudice.


I'm sorry, but I am not going to give one side a pass, because their news channel isn't as popular as the other. I see both sides spewing their hate and bs and people just eating it up. You say the left is ineffectual, yet I see people on the left who have bought into the latest bs that everyone on the right is racist. Now how is that any different that the idiots on the right who have bought into the latest be that everyone on the left is socialist?




truckinslave -> RE: The role of race in conservative media (8/1/2010 8:38:26 AM)

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The simple fact is Rupurt Murdoch (Fox) is a Joseph Goebbels wannabe


Lemme see. Are you part of the problem, or part of the solution... Lemme think. Oh, gee whiz. Lemme get back to you.




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