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Owner59 -> RE: The role of race in conservative media (8/1/2010 9:02:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee Race relations are the worst they have been, since the 1960s. He (Obama) exploits racial divide, and encourages divisions among people. To think he was elected by a landslide, and at the time, polls indicated race was about to stop being an issue, then he started in with his "other" rhetoric, and in response to legitimate criticizim, encouraged "it's about race" as a way to divert legitimate opposition. Obama is immoral. That`s pretty frothy.... You`re so full of shit it`s coming from your mouth. Name one thing Obama has done to inflame racial tensions? Besides being half black. It`s obvious you`re speaking for yourself.

thornhappy -> RE: The role of race in conservative media (8/1/2010 9:29:01 PM)
Breitbart says he learned a lot from Alinsky. He's popular in all quarters. quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 We see you can read cut and paste.... But not much on dialog. I read the piece when you posted it. What`s your point? Cut the Alinsky crap, owner. She gave a reasonable discussion, and a link to an article that discusses the issue of the thread topic, and you are doing nothing more than attempting to get a rise out of her, so you can discredit her. She's too crafty for you, my friend. Firm

Elisabella -> RE: The role of race in conservative media (8/1/2010 9:31:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY So, bottom line, it's the intellectual and political left that has given the world "you're a racists!" attacks, race-baiting as a political technique, and which sees the boogyman of racism under every rock and nook and cranny (as long as it is to their political benefit). Never forgiving (unless you were voted the right way), and using it as a weapon to destroy their political opponents. When it's not to their advantage? "An unfortunate mistake". This witch-hunt atmosphere is what has made "honestly talking about race" near impossible. This leftist inspired political weapon has caused (and will cause) more anger, hurt, and destruction before it is finally played out, then most people can even envision, I think. They have devalued the ability to work against actual racism, and increased racial hatred and animosity by unnecessarily "stirring up the racial pot". The left gave us the recipe. Now they can eat the damn meal. And choke on it. Firm Ahh you sound like a petulant child. Do you really think that the victim of racism cares if the person who discriminates against them is a R or a D? IMO the R-types need to be MORE active in this debate, don't let the "left" frame the debate in their terms for their own political advantage, especially because their "side" doesn't have loud groups of unapologetic racists like the birthers. This isn't a left/right issue, it's an American issue. Full stop. Saying you don't care that your side is doing stupid stuff because the other side did stupid stuff first is, well, stupid. Imagine if we get attacked by terrorists again, and the "left" said "well the Republicans were the ones so set on meddling in the Middle East, they started this so they can choke on it." That is exactly how you sound. Exactly. I'm not saying you have to get involved in anti racist activism or anything but if you feel that a moderate or rightist approach to genuinely combating racism for the benefit of all Americans, especially those who have been historically discriminated against in barbaric ways, you can't be such a coward to refuse to care simply because the bullies on the left might act up over it.

FirmhandKY -> RE: The role of race in conservative media (8/1/2010 9:32:57 PM)
You mistake the political for the personal. Firm

jlf1961 -> RE: The role of race in conservative media (8/1/2010 9:35:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee Race relations are the worst they have been, since the 1960s. He (Obama) exploits racial divide, and encourages divisions among people. To think he was elected by a landslide, and at the time, polls indicated race was about to stop being an issue, then he started in with his "other" rhetoric, and in response to legitimate criticizim, encouraged "it's about race" as a way to divert legitimate opposition. Obama is immoral. That`s pretty frothy.... You`re so full of shit it`s coming from your mouth. Name one thing Obama has done to inflame racial tensions? Besides being half black. It`s obvious you`re speaking for yourself. Clearly you did not read the article, and if you did, you did not comprehend what was said in the article. It is not "what has Obama done to inflame racial tensions?" but what he hasn't done every time a racial situation comes up. He made the comment about the Cambridge police department acting stupid, after he admitted he didnt have all the facts. All Harry Reid had to do was apologize for his comments, when a Republican would have been forced to resign. Finally, with the Sherrod situation, he should have had the USDA secretary investigate the video, and Obama should have talked to Sherrod before she was fired to hear the other side of the story. All of that was in the article.

Elisabella -> RE: The role of race in conservative media (8/1/2010 9:39:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY You mistake the political for the personal. Firm What do you mean by this?

Owner59 -> RE: The role of race in conservative media (8/1/2010 10:01:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee Race relations are the worst they have been, since the 1960s. He (Obama) exploits racial divide, and encourages divisions among people. To think he was elected by a landslide, and at the time, polls indicated race was about to stop being an issue, then he started in with his "other" rhetoric, and in response to legitimate criticizim, encouraged "it's about race" as a way to divert legitimate opposition. Obama is immoral. That`s pretty frothy.... You`re so full of shit it`s coming from your mouth. Name one thing Obama has done to inflame racial tensions? Besides being half black. It`s obvious you`re speaking for yourself. Clearly you did not read the article, and if you did, you did not comprehend what was said in the article. It is not "what has Obama done to inflame racial tensions?" but what he hasn't done every time a racial situation comes up. He made the comment about the Cambridge police department acting stupid, after he admitted he didnt have all the facts. All Harry Reid had to do was apologize for his comments, when a Republican would have been forced to resign. Finally, with the Sherrod situation, he should have had the USDA secretary investigate the video, and Obama should have talked to Sherrod before she was fired to hear the other side of the story. All of that was in the article. Obama said nothing racial about the Boston case. He was tho called a racist on national TV. He said the police acted stupidly.I agree with that.Still haven`t heard a good explanation for arresting someone for breaking in their own house or how Obama`s comments can be taken as racist. Obama had nothing to do with Reid`s comments as well,either way.Nor could he or should he respond. And I`ll agree that Obama was duped by the Sharrod farce but I don`t think he`s a bad faith player. His admitted mistake did not hurt race relations in any way. What fox did sure hurt the situation.But that`s not on Obama. He`s not the emperor of black people nor does he have to officiate every turn of events.He`s fuck`n BUSY! [:D] I`ll ask the question again a different way, What bad faith acts or words have come from Obama that have contributed to or inflamed racial problems. None of this ugliness is sourced to him or his admin. Yet somehow he still gets the bad rap? Why? Simply because he`s (part) black?

thornhappy -> RE: The role of race in conservative media (8/1/2010 10:11:34 PM)
FR... You know what the whole finger pointing "racist!" thing reminds me of? "Class warfare!" Every time someone tried to raise the issue of income inequity and the disappearance of the middle class, or the dramatic concentration of income of the wealthiest people fruing the last administration, the cry of "Class warfare!" went out. Just like the cries of "Political Correctness!", it just stops any discussion in its tracks. To me it seems like Obama's in a bad situation. If he wades into race situations, then he'll be seen as pandering to blacks. If he stays far away, then he's "inflaming racial tensions." So where's the middle line? I don't think there's anything he can do to improve the opinions of the ones who refer to him always as Barack HUSSEIN Obama, call him "The Kenyan", etc. He's screwed six ways from Sunday.

jlf1961 -> RE: The role of race in conservative media (8/1/2010 10:16:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Obama said nothing racial about the Boston case. He was tho called a racist on national TV. He said the police acted stupidly.I agree with that.Still haven`t heard a good explanation for arresting someone for breaking in their own house or how Obama`s comments can be taken as racist. Here are President Obama's words after he admitted that he did not have all the facts. quote: Number two, that the Cambridge police acted stupidly in arresting somebody when there was already proof that they were in their own home. And number three, what I think we know separate and apart from this incident, is that there is a long history in this country of African-Americans and Latinos being stopped by law enforcement disproportionately. That's just a fact. quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 Obama had nothing to do with Reid`s comments as well,either way.Nor could he or should he respond. But he did respond to Reid's comments quote: "This is a good man who's always been on the right side of history," Mr. Obama told Roland Martin in an interview for TV One at the White House this afternoon, "For him to have used some inartful language in trying to praise me, and for people to try to make hay out of that makes absolutely no sense. [...] "He apologized, recognizing that he didn't use appropriate language, but there was nothing mean-spirited in what he had to say, and he's always been on the right side of the issues," Obama said today. The President said that Americans-- regardless of race -- are more concerned with issues like health care and jobs. "I guarantee you the average person, white or black, right now is less concerned about what Harry Reid said in a quote in a book a couple years ago than they are about how we are going to move the country forward," Obama said, "That's where we need to direct our attention." And for the record, "former Sen. Trent Lott said something far less offensive at a private party for the hundredth birthday of Strom Thurmond in 2002, and he was forced to step down as incoming Majority Leader." Because the democrats raised hell about a racial remark he made. quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 And I`ll agree that Obama was duped by the Sharrod farce but I don`t think he`s a bad faith player. He`s not the emperor of black people nor does he have to officiate every turn of events.He`s fuck`n BUSY! [:D] I`ll ask the question again a different way, What bad faith acts or words have come from Obama that have contributed to or inflamed racial problems. None of this ugliness is sourced to him or his admin. Yet somehow he still gets the bad rap? Why? Simply because he`s (part) black? Look, I voted for the man, but, he has let incidents slide, or said things that clearly created problems. Letting Reid slide on his remarks when the democrats stopped a man from becoming the majority leader because of racial remarks is a clear double standard.

VioletGray -> RE: The role of race in conservative media (8/1/2010 10:26:29 PM)
Um, wow, so much to get to. Some of it is worth responding to, some of it isn't (this means YOU, NewOCDaddy.) I'm not sure if I'll get to everything I want to respond to, but I'll try my best. Let's get started shall we? quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 The Sherrod thing was the administration's fault, I know how you guys love to blame Fox & Breitbart, but neither has the power to fire a government employee, if they did, Obama would have been gone a year ago. I'm sorry, but liberals made this bed, now they have to lie in it. No, just the firing was the administration's fault. The public embarrassment, the character assassination, the damage to her credibility and her career Breitbart and Fox had a direct hand in. quote: ORIGINAL: vincentML quote: It seems to me that the southern strategy is being attempted on a national scale because for the first time in history, we have a president that they think it might work on. The southern strategy is no longer just about race and it is not confined to the southern states. It has morphed into an ethnic, class and culturally devisive election strategy. It is beer drinkers vs Eastern Elites. It is high school grads/dropouts vs University educated. It is small town Wasilla vs Manhatten. It was used quite effectively by Hillary Clinton in Ohio, Pennsylvania and West Virginia. The key is "he is not like us." From the Wiki article: In recent years, the term "Southern strategy" has been used in a more general sense, referring to the way in which political parties use cultural themes in election campaigns — primarily but not exclusively in the American South. In the past, politicians' highlighting of issues such as busing or states' rights appealed to white angst about integration. More recently, Republican politicians made appeals to "conservative values", and used cultural issues such as gay marriage, abortion, and religion to mobilize their base. Key words being "In recent years." Historically, "southern strategy" held a very specific meaning, and even Michael Steele spoke about it, and when he did he and everyone who heard it knew that he wasn't talking about rich vs. poor, man vs. woman, or Playstation vs. Xbox. quote: ORIGINAL: Aylee quote: ORIGINAL: VioletGray Are there liberals trying to push some sort of propaganda onto the public as well? I'm sure. But really who cares? Ezra Klein JournoList Google is your friend. If I have to google them in the first place, then.. I'm sure you know the rest. quote: ORIGINAL: thishereboi You say the left is ineffectual, yet I see people on the left who have bought into the latest bs that everyone on the right is racist. Now how is that any different that the idiots on the right who have bought into the latest be that everyone on the left is socialist? You're speaking in very general terms here. If I'm to consider your point of view, I'll need you to be more specific. quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave They didn't get any ink until they showed up at a polling place with clubs. That's why they're in the news, VG. They chose the timing. Same for Wright. He wasn't much of a story until one of his congregants wasn't leading presidential polls. As far as: But was "two weirdos, one nightstick" really worth all the coverage? The nightstick guy even got in trouble with their own organization. To put that in perspective, I don't feel like that nazi kid who was planning to shoot Obama got quite as much coverage on Fox. quote: "As well as an entire chorus of birthers, racist picket sign holders, and people saying "Barack is a Kenyan Muslim Socialist/Marxist/Nazi who kills babies, kills them with the guns he confiscates from decent, hard-working 'mericans!" I've got nothing against good political hyperbole, so certainly I take no offense at the above. But tell me why it wasn't racist to show GWB as the Joker, but it is to portray 0bama0 that way? There is a huge segment of our society that calls ALL criticism of Ear Leader racist... We all, I hope, know racism when we see it, but this made-up indignation has to stop. Or not. It's losing effectiveness; people are becoming decensitized. I don't think this is hyperbole. Rush says these things like they are absolutely true. And while Glenn Beck does use hyperbole, just as often he says outrageous things that aren't. And I'm sure there are some people who process all criticism of Obama as racist, but there are also people who get into arguments with their imaginary dragons. As for the rest of them, they argue that the level of rage and vitriol, not the criticism itself, has racial elements. quote: There are an awful lot of things about 0bama0 that trouble me greatly. His race isn't one of them. So, in answer to your question: No, I do not think I'm being fed something. But I'm sick and tired of black people making up ways I'm out to get them. Now the first sentence there was encouraging. The second sentence? Just a sweeping generalization of... you know what? nevermind. ::sigh:: quote: but any on the left side is ineffectual to the point of being almost completely inconsequential. ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, BET, BBC, all but three or four of the major newspapers, liberal talk radio.... right. Inconsequential. You got yours. We got ours (talk radio). The middle has Fox. Hmm.. Look at the ratings, and tell me how they stand up against Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly? Hey wait-- The MIDDLE? Seriously? I'm not sure if this was just to provoke a response or not, but if you truly in your heart believe that then this dialog between us is pointless. I'm sorry :-/ In closing, I think that Rachel Maddow had a good point in her debate with Joe Scarborough when she said that some things because issues when political opponents MAKE them issues. Which did you hear more about from Fox News? The initial Acorn Scandal, or the fact that every investigation into the company has come out in their favor? The initial Sherrod Scandal (Fox ran that into the ground pretty hard) or the fact that the tapes were edited.? Reverend Wright or Charles Keating? Also, it isn't just that Fox runs the stories. They run them with force, showing the same things, same videos over and over, I feel like they try to cram this stuff down our throats. There was a guy from The Young Turks who spliced together all the coverage of the Sherrod Story on Fox News, how many times she was talked about on different shows by different people within a 24 hour period. The results were staggering (to be fair, TYT is a liberal show, but this video kinda speaks for itself.) Anyway, it's late and I'm passing out from a long day of nerd convention-going, so I must go now, but I look forward to the replies! :-)

Owner59 -> RE: The role of race in conservative media (8/1/2010 10:31:08 PM)
The bratfarts,foxes and other race baiters know this is an open wound with lots of hard feelings and anxiety.They have no problem exploiting it and abusing the situation. This is as blatant as "questioning" the validity of the Holocaust or whether John McCain was tortured. The more outrageous the implication,the more over the top,the more sparks made ,the more damage is done. I don`t buy that Obama bears blame for not dealing with this crap.That`s on the folks who produce this shit and on those who consume it.

FirmhandKY -> RE: The role of race in conservative media (8/1/2010 10:57:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Elisabella quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY You mistake the political for the personal. Firm What do you mean by this? I'm not talking about racism per se, nor my personal feelings or position on race, but about the political use of race. Firm

FirmhandKY -> RE: The role of race in conservative media (8/1/2010 11:03:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: VioletGray Um, wow, so much to get to. Some of it is worth responding to, some of it isn't (this means YOU, NewOCDaddy.) Who, or what is "NewOCDaddy"? Firm

FirmhandKY -> RE: The role of race in conservative media (8/1/2010 11:04:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thornhappy FR... You know what the whole finger pointing "racist!" thing reminds me of? "Class warfare!" Every time someone tried to raise the issue of income inequity and the disappearance of the middle class, or the dramatic concentration of income of the wealthiest people fruing the last administration, the cry of "Class warfare!" went out. Just like the cries of "Political Correctness!", it just stops any discussion in its tracks. To me it seems like Obama's in a bad situation. If he wades into race situations, then he'll be seen as pandering to blacks. If he stays far away, then he's "inflaming racial tensions." So where's the middle line? I don't think there's anything he can do to improve the opinions of the ones who refer to him always as Barack HUSSEIN Obama, call him "The Kenyan", etc. He's screwed six ways from Sunday. I've never known a committed leftist let anything shut them up. Firm

juliaoceania -> RE: The role of race in conservative media (8/2/2010 12:16:11 AM)
quote: It's that same annoyance I feel with the right-wing media right now. Are there liberals trying to push some sort of propaganda onto the public as well? I'm sure. But really who cares? If the liberal movement was a T-Rex, the propaganda section would be the arms. And BOTH those arms are Rachel Maddow, who is awesome, but she can't do it all by herself. This entire post deserves a response, but since I highly agree with most of it, I thought I would differ with this one part... I love Rachel Maddow, and she maybe liberal, but she and all the other mainstreamers attack the one lone voice of the left that is uncompromising... and that is Amy Goodman...

Elisabella -> RE: The role of race in conservative media (8/2/2010 12:30:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY I'm not talking about racism per se, nor my personal feelings or position on race, but about the political use of race. Firm Hmm okay that makes sense.

Sanity -> RE: The role of race in conservative media (8/2/2010 3:37:09 AM)
Hes just like Obama then. quote: ORIGINAL: thornhappy Breitbart says he learned a lot from Alinsky. He's popular in all quarters.

truckinslave -> RE: The role of race in conservative media (8/2/2010 4:13:08 AM)
quote: But was "two weirdos, one nightstick" really worth all the coverage? Well, as I recall it didn't get a lot of coverage. What has gotten a lot more (and well-deserved) coverage is the kidglove non-prosecution explicable only on racial grounds. This non-prosecution, and possible outright racist policies at DOJ, will and should continue to generate coverage, Or do you think the accusations of Mr. Adams don't deserve an investigation?

truckinslave -> RE: The role of race in conservative media (8/2/2010 4:18:12 AM)
quote: people saying "Barack is a Kenyan Muslim Socialist/Marxist/Nazi who kills babies, kills them with the guns he confiscates from decent, hard-working 'mericans!" .... I don't think this is hyperbole. Been nice talking to you I suppose.

thishereboi -> RE: The role of race in conservative media (8/2/2010 4:42:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 The bratfarts,foxes and other race baiters know this is an open wound with lots of hard feelings and anxiety.They have no problem exploiting it and abusing the situation. As do the asshats on the left who scream racist at everyone on the right. They know that they aren't all racists, but they also know that is a very hard charge to disprove and something that most people hate. So they claim anyone who is against Obama must be a racist. Seems like a lame strategy to me, but you lapped it up, so I guess they are right. This is as blatant as "questioning" the validity of the Holocaust or whether John McCain was tortured. [8\|] The more outrageous the implication,the more over the top,the more sparks made ,the more damage is done. So why do you continue? I don`t buy that Obama bears blame for not dealing with this crap.That`s on the folks who produce this shit and on those who consume it. If it is a problem for you, then quit buying into the shit they are feeding you. Try thinking things through before spouting off your right=evil, left=good bullshit.

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