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RE: Broken Toys and aster's who can't cope... - 8/4/2010 8:46:40 PM   
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If for some reason she had built up some sort of resistance to my domship, I would only let her wear my collar when manic.

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RE: Broken Toys and aster's who can't cope... - 8/4/2010 9:00:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		In the career I had for 13 years (which burned me completely out and left) was in social work, specifically dealing with mental illnesses. I saw such a wide range within the disorder. Many people I felt were misdiagnosed even. I saw what it did to families, it ripped them apart. I've never seen it bring people closer. Not to say that it doesn't happen. The abuse that usually accompanies bi-polar disorder just gets to be too much for most.
It's tough on the other side. You see the person when they're manic, happy go lucky bubbly lovable self. Then to all of a sudden see a 180 in no time flat confuses most. You're constantly watching a house of cards that could crash at any moment. We all have different stress levels. I don't blame anyone who leaves but I do commend those who can stick it through.
The cases where I saw the best results was when the person with the disorder had a great support system, and someone they could trust more than any other that noticed their downward spiral at the beginning and jumped on it, before they started to plunge towards the bottom. The person with the disorder also has to face that reality and work very hard with medication and their own motivation to be a healthy person.

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RE: Broken Toys and aster's who can't cope... - 8/4/2010 9:12:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have dealt with many people with bi-polar disorders, though on a personal - not professional - side. While I do not believe that a Master should release a slave based on the fact that they are suffering an illness I've seen how the illness can affect the Master along with the rest of the poly family.

Along with the disease comes a distorted sense of self - especially if the medicines are not working well or are skipped. While they may feel that they are at their best in their manic stage, because it is often accompanied by elation, they can actually be the most hurtful to others because it seems that all of their inhibitions and filters on what they say are gone. When they are depressed they can take constant cheering up, cajoling to do things, and sometimes scolding. The "caregiver" never knows what to expect, and the ill person can seem to do an immediate 180 over the smallest of things. It is not uncommon to have a fight inside; wanting to be treated like any "normal" person yet expecting to be forgiven everything because of the illness.

While I don't believe that the illness itself is a good reason for release there are a number of things that can go hand in hand with the illness that would be. That would include not taking care of it, behaving badly and using the illness as an excuse, or possibly the inability of the Master to deal with the constant fluctuations. Someone with bi-polarism can become an emotional vampire - turning everything in life into a major soap opera, needing constant attention, expecting others to always be kind and warm and not allowing them to have their own bad days, etc. Some people simply don't have the strength or knowledge to deal well with that. In such a case, as much as it hurts, release may truly be the kindest thing.

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RE: Broken Toys and aster's who can't cope... - 8/4/2010 9:38:25 PM   
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Actually, I've talked to multiple healthcare professionals - including psychiatrists & psychiatric ARNPs - and they all say that fish oil, vitamins, and herbal remedies have not been proven to control/correct bi-polar. Who knows what they've found out since though, I'll be the first to say I don't know everything. But, if she does get therapy and stay on the right meds in the right doses, chances she will do just fine. But sometimes it takes years to find out which meds/dosages are the right ones. It took me three years. Now I don't feel bipolar at all.

My previous Sir that died, when I told Him about my bipolar right up front, He had no problem w/ it as long as it was controlled (it was & is) & I wasn't "wacky." I told my present Daddy about it right up front, too, and He has no problem with it either. It's true that some bipolar (and other mentally ill) people can use their illness as an excuse for bad behavior, which is not okay. It's also true that uncontrolled bipolar (and other mental illness) in people can affect those around them. Also, some people just can't deal with those who have mental issues regardless & it doesn't necessarily make them bad people. It's just the way it is.

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RE: Broken Toys and aster's who can't cope... - 8/4/2010 9:41:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: loyalonlychild

Sadly He is unable to cope with the depressive side where this girl does not have much, if anything pleasant to say.  


I might point out that YOUR REACTIONS are something YOU are responsible for.

Look I hate to be a bitch, I get Bi-polar, More then you might understand.

You  have to realize the part in bold is the problem.

Having an illness is not an end all be all reason to be a cunt to people. Having an illness espically one as treatable and manageable as bi polar, is not an excuse to be a cunt to people. If you havent learned yet you will learn soon your cycle.

Your peeks of manic to "normal" to depressed to "normal" to manic again, When you hit that normal phase between mania and depression tell your owner this and give him "warning".

Also if you dont have anything nice to say dont say anything at all. You can control yourself, your choosing to let the depression be an excuse for you being unpleasant, and if i was your owner I wouldnt put up with it either, Id have released your ass.

Your illness isnt the problem here, your being bi polar isnt the problem here. Its your behavior thats the problem.  Sure do you tend to get testy when your depressed, Yes, but is that the problem no. Its how you choose to deal and handle what your expressing thats the problem. 

If a sub was handling jealousy inappropriately... would you have the same advice? With anger? Or any other emotion?


ETA) I dont read is as the Dom having a problem with the illness at all, just him having a problem with her being a cunt during the depression phase of her cycle.


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RE: Broken Toys and aster's who can't cope... - 8/4/2010 10:09:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am in full agreement with this post. Talking the other day to a friend, Pat Mesiti, his view and part of what he teaches is that we are the sum of our thoughts and in order to make positive changes in our circumstances which will resonate throughout our whole life is to make changes. Changes must start with in the person, you. You can change friends, abodes, jobs but if you don't make changes in yourself, you will carry the garbage over to new friends, new job, new home and still be doing the same things over and over again. We see this with battered women who either go back to an abusive partner or partner up with the same type of person. One of the first things you need to do is to re-evaluate your self and understand that you are worth far more than you may think you are.



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RE: Broken Toys and aster's who can't cope... - 8/5/2010 1:07:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Jeffff


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ORIGINAL: aldompdx

I completely agree with IronBear, who shares yet another excellent answer.

Additionally consider meditation as a discipline to quiet the mind and center the heart.

One overlooked treatment for the physiological condition is fish oil, where the Omega-3 EPA and DHA lipids serve to balance synaptic and neuronal function. This has been supported but not conclusively confirmed in several double blind studies.
Linus Pauling Institute: Micronutirent Research for Optimum Health
Note: more than 1gram each of EPA and DHA is necessary. Omega-6 ALA does not work.



For a person suffering from Bi- polar disorder you are suggesting meditation and fish oil?

Really?..........


Oh! Oh! Those are my favorite people. Yes, yes they are. It's called the glorious lovemaking of pompous arrogance and ignorance.

Don't see a doctor for your seriously debilitating illness. <-----SARCASM

I know better how to help you than one of those silly high IQ people who trained intensely for 6-8 years past undergraduate studies, learning hands on anatomy, medications, biology, chemistry, ethics, and the ins and outs of the human body and mind.

I do. Really.

Neglecting medical treatment would do so much damage to someone already suffering I can't get my head around it.

We have a beautiful thing called science. It made the world alot better. Don't scorn it, it reveals your level of intelligence.

But you go on, advising with your probable 4 years of retail experience at a health food store and many, many logged hours of internet research. I'll be over here vomiting just thinking of your stupidity.








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RE: Broken Toys and aster's who can't cope... - 8/5/2010 1:10:46 AM   
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Don't see a doctor for your seriously debilitating illness.

Where was that suggested in this thread?  Oh, that's right, it wasn't.


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RE: Broken Toys and aster's who can't cope... - 8/5/2010 1:29:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeffff


quote:

ORIGINAL: aldompdx

I completely agree with IronBear, who shares yet another excellent answer.

Additionally consider meditation as a discipline to quiet the mind and center the heart.

One overlooked treatment for the physiological condition is fish oil, where the Omega-3 EPA and DHA lipids serve to balance synaptic and neuronal function. This has been supported but not conclusively confirmed in several double blind studies.
Linus Pauling Institute: Micronutirent Research for Optimum Health
Note: more than 1gram each of EPA and DHA is necessary. Omega-6 ALA does not work.



For a person suffering from Bi- polar disorder you are suggesting meditation and fish oil?

Really?..........







Wasn't it just a year or two ago that Tom Cruise got blasted by every health organization out there for his stance on anti-depressants? Of course, that was about the same time he was jumping up and down on the couch of the Oprah set looking like a lunatic.





I read an interview with Tom Cruise about 10 years ago, and realized he exhibited these really odd characteristics in it, that he did on Oprah too- prolonged laughing, over-emotional responses to logical questions, cryptic talk....some of the same symptoms my mom has.

She has bipolar disorder too.

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RE: Broken Toys and aster's who can't cope... - 8/5/2010 1:40:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

Some years ago when I was cutting my grass, the 17-18 year old neighbor girl waved me over and said.

" I don't know why they are all surprised I am growing a penis, I told then it was going to happen"

I said ok, and wished her well. She than said " I have never had a penis before I might need some help"

I said, " that is something you should ask your doctor". She said, " GREAT idea!"

THAT was bi-polar. I fail to see how mediation and fish oil fix that. She was fine when she took her meds. Then she would feel better and stop taking her meds.


Honestly that sounds more like schizophrenia since she is of the age of first onset (seemed almost to have predicted something was coming on ) and it sounds like she had a fixed delusion. Bipolars only hallucinate rarely, and under the extremes of depression- form my understanding.

My brother has a good friend diagnosed with schizophrenia. They were friends for almost 15 years. he was always a bit weird, but one day, he became convinced the Jews were putting a chip in his head- his reasoning is that on a certain website, he saw people moving at an angle that would be impossible for him to see unless there was something implanted in his head to communicate with the computer. I forget why the jews, but his reasoning on that was equally hilarious.




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Behind all things are reasons. Reasons can even explain the absurd. Do we have the time to learn the reasons behind the human being's varied behavior? I think not. Some take the time.

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RE: Broken Toys and aster's who can't cope... - 8/5/2010 1:44:48 AM   
realwhiteknight


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ORIGINAL: aldompdx

I completely agree with IronBear, who shares yet another excellent answer.

Additionally consider meditation as a discipline to quiet the mind and center the heart.

One overlooked treatment for the physiological condition is fish oil, where the Omega-3 EPA and DHA lipids serve to balance synaptic and neuronal function. This has been supported but not conclusively confirmed in several double blind studies.
Linus Pauling Institute: Micronutirent Research for Optimum Health
Note: more than 1gram each of EPA and DHA is necessary. Omega-6 ALA does not work.



For a person suffering from Bi- polar disorder you are suggesting meditation and fish oil?

Really?..........



Omega 3 fatty acids (fish oil) are becoming a much more common adjuctive therapy in many mental illnesses.

yes, because they're the cod liver oil pills we took as a kid, and studies have been showing us more and more that they are healthy for our brain and heart. It's like taking a multivitamin which makes you more alert. Your point? They are also a FAR cry from being an 'adjunct therapy', the idea of which is insanely laughable.

quote:


Meditation techniques can be a part of psycho-therapy... .


I don't get it. How will she find the time to talk about her childhood between manic fits and severe depression?

I had a year of 'psychotherapy' when I was a teenager after my father died. I talked alot about my shitty childhood. It felt good.

It did nothing for the ADHD which was why I failed every class that semester.





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RE: Broken Toys and aster's who can't cope... - 8/5/2010 2:02:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: sweetsub1957

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Actually, I've talked to multiple healthcare professionals - including psychiatrists & psychiatric ARNPs - and they all say that fish oil, vitamins, and herbal remedies have not been proven to control/correct bi-polar. Who knows what they've found out since though, I'll be the first to say I don't know everything. But, if she does get therapy and stay on the right meds in the right doses, chances she will do just fine. But sometimes it takes years to find out which meds/dosages are the right ones. It took me three years. Now I don't feel bipolar at all.





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RE: Broken Toys and aster's who can't cope... - 8/5/2010 2:05:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: chamberqueen


While I don't believe that the illness itself is a good reason for release there are a number of things that can go hand in hand with the illness that would be. That would include not taking care of it, behaving badly and using the illness as an excuse, or possibly the inability of the Master to deal with the constant fluctuations. Someone with bi-polarism can become an emotional vampire - turning everything in life into a major soap opera, needing constant attention, expecting others to always be kind and warm and not allowing them to have their own bad days, etc. Some people simply don't have the strength or knowledge to deal well with that. In such a case, as much as it hurts, release may truly be the kindest thing.


Yes.

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RE: Broken Toys and aster's who can't cope... - 8/5/2010 2:10:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SpiritedRadiance

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ORIGINAL: loyalonlychild

Sadly He is unable to cope with the depressive side where this girl does not have much, if anything pleasant to say.  


I might point out that YOUR REACTIONS are something YOU are responsible for.

Look I hate to be a bitch, I get Bi-polar, More then you might understand.

You  have to realize the part in bold is the problem.

Having an illness is not an end all be all reason to be a cunt to people. Having an illness espically one as treatable and manageable as bi polar, is not an excuse to be a cunt to people. If you havent learned yet you will learn soon your cycle.

Your peeks of manic to "normal" to depressed to "normal" to manic again, When you hit that normal phase between mania and depression tell your owner this and give him "warning".

Also if you dont have anything nice to say dont say anything at all. You can control yourself, your choosing to let the depression be an excuse for you being unpleasant, and if i was your owner I wouldnt put up with it either, Id have released your ass.

Your illness isnt the problem here, your being bi polar isnt the problem here. Its your behavior thats the problem.  Sure do you tend to get testy when your depressed, Yes, but is that the problem no. Its how you choose to deal and handle what your expressing thats the problem. 

If a sub was handling jealousy inappropriately... would you have the same advice? With anger? Or any other emotion?


ETA) I dont read is as the Dom having a problem with the illness at all, just him having a problem with her being a cunt during the depression phase of her cycle.




WTF. this is the problem with your mentality. What are you a God or something? Both of these things are actually totally normal and healthy responses to 1. her biology and 2. the environment. There IS no 'inappropriate' handling of jealousy other than lashing out at someone. What sort of twisted fascist are you?



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Behind all things are reasons. Reasons can even explain the absurd. Do we have the time to learn the reasons behind the human being's varied behavior? I think not. Some take the time.

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RE: Broken Toys and aster's who can't cope... - 8/5/2010 2:11:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: IronBear

I am in full agreement with this post. Talking the other day to a friend, Pat Mesiti, his view and part of what he teaches is that we are the sum of our thoughts and in order to make positive changes in our circumstances which will resonate throughout our whole life is to make changes. Changes must start with in the person, you. You can change friends, abodes, jobs but if you don't make changes in yourself, you will carry the garbage over to new friends, new job, new home and still be doing the same things over and over again. We see this with battered women who either go back to an abusive partner or partner up with the same type of person. One of the first things you need to do is to re-evaluate your self and understand that you are worth far more than you may think you are.



quote:

u might understand.


*cough*hypocriticalhippienonsense*cough*

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RE: Broken Toys and aster's who can't cope... - 8/5/2010 2:20:46 AM   
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ORIGINAL: texangael

quote:

Don't see a doctor for your seriously debilitating illness.

Where was that suggested in this thread?  Oh, that's right, it wasn't.



Post 27.

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Behind all things are reasons. Reasons can even explain the absurd. Do we have the time to learn the reasons behind the human being's varied behavior? I think not. Some take the time.

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RE: Broken Toys and aster's who can't cope... - 8/5/2010 4:21:20 AM   
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RE: Broken Toys and aster's who can't cope... - 8/5/2010 4:48:37 AM   
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You need to focus on yourself first. A creep who would drop you because you aren't manic all the time is not someone who is healthy for you to be with.


Celeste, with respect I feel this post is a little harsh by you.  I acknowledge your very good knowledge of bi polar affective disorder however in this post by the OP we have no information on how long she has been with her Master, how long she has been diagnosed with bi polar, if she told him about this prior to being collared, if she is fully compliant with her medication, how frequently she cycles etc etc.  These and many other factors would certainly give me pause for thought if I was with a partner with this or any other significant health issue.

For example, if I had only been in a relationship with someone for a short time, they had not fully disclosed the extent of their health issues or minimised them or were not compliant with treatment I would not remain collared to them however I would definitely remain as a friend and support person for them. 

I don't feel it would make me a creep but instead someone who is honest that I would find this very difficult to cope with in a very new relationship.

I feel there is way too much information missing for any of us to actually answer the questions asked by the OP.


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RE: Broken Toys and aster's who can't cope... - 8/5/2010 5:43:33 AM   
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ORIGINAL: realwhiteknight

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ORIGINAL: texangael

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Don't see a doctor for your seriously debilitating illness.

Where was that suggested in this thread?  Oh, that's right, it wasn't.



Post 27.


Hmm.... Post 27 doesn't advise not seeing a doctor. It mentions the "additional" potential benefits of meditation, and mentions one over-looked treatment (fish oil).

Now I think the fish oil route is a bit of a red herring personally, but it really doesn't say "don't see a doc".






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RE: Broken Toys and aster's who can't cope... - 8/5/2010 5:45:46 AM   
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