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What would prevent them from paying fica with a tin?

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I did not suggest that it gave an illegal a right to work, only that it would allow them to pay taxes which you claim that they can only do if they steal someones identity.

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ORIGINAL: joether

Since 'illegal immigration' isn't about someone breaking laws.

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ORIGINAL: joether

Since 'illegal immigration' isn't about someone breaking laws.

It is ILLEGAL. 

That means "breaking the law." 

ILLEGAL.  You even used the word yourself. 

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If you're not doing anything illegal on your front yard, then a cop has no reason to stop you.
boi

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In most states everyone is required to present ID to law enforcement personnel when they ask for it, regardless of race.  Period.

And trust me, officers who are in states where illegal immigration is an issue have already been asking for "papers" and ID. 

What I'm watching is the whole migration out of Arizona due to their law.  All of these states that are so dead set against the AZ law just might be singing a different tune when their states are bankrupted by the illegals who moved out of Arizona.  Colorado and Pennsylvania seem to be the ones mentioned by illegals leaving AZ the most.  They come to this country, and somehow manage to get all the benefits and money that US citizens can't. 

It's definitely time for the states to take over immigration enforcement, since the federal government can't be bothered to do it.  All this crap about saying immigration enforcement taxes the police departments is BS....what is taxing the police department is the increase of crime that comes with illegals moving in, and the extra tools and things that the departments have to purchase in order to handle these people.  911 centers have to pay a god-awful amount for translator services in order to conform to statues or policies just to be able to "serve" them.  If you come to my country, learn the language!  And since when do I have to learn another language in order to live in this country?  And the company line about Hispanics being afraid to help the police out is total BS...they won't approach the police now!  Even when their family members are kidnapped, they won't call the police.

Personally, I'd like to see our military brought home, and put on the border every 50 feet with orders to shoot to kill......that'll dry up the exodus real fast! 

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ORIGINAL: joether

Since 'illegal immigration' isn't about someone breaking laws.

It is ILLEGAL. 

That means "breaking the law." 

ILLEGAL.  You even used the word yourself. 

It boggles the mind,doesnt it?

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Since 'illegal immigration' isn't about someone breaking laws.

It is ILLEGAL. 

That means "breaking the law." 

ILLEGAL.  You even used the word yourself. 

It boggles the mind,doesnt it?

I am boggled. 

Look, I know that Americans want to make life better for people.  It is part of the soul of our country.  If we see a wrong, we desire to right it.  We may not be the policemen of the world, but we act like it because it would wound us too much to do otherwise.  It is not our job to save every person of every other country.  However, the question remains, can we live with ourselves if we do not try. 

The problem has arisen because there are some that do not desire to join into this understanding.  Instead of trying to right the wrongs in their own country, and requesting help, they have chosen to disregard their own country and ours.  Personal gain has triumphed over a desire for world or even home country gain.  There is a lack of loyalty to anything but the "self."

It is unfortunate and sad.

At the end of the day, they are doing wrong.  They know this.  It is harming everyone involved.  Illegal immigrants need to go back to their home country and affect change there, if they want something better for their children. 

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At the end of the day, they are doing wrong. They know this. It is harming everyone involved. Illegal immigrants need to go back to their home country and affect change there, if they want something better for their children.

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ORIGINAL: heartcream

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At the end of the day, they are doing wrong. They know this. It is harming everyone involved. Illegal immigrants need to go back to their home country and affect change there, if they want something better for their children.

The Europeans showed up here and harmed all the good indigenous folks living here. Ruined their culture, lied, stole, raped, pillaged. For a gooood long time. This is the basis, the foundation of how the white people took over this land. (The United States OF America, not America, America is the continents. It is like calling one African countries residents 'Africans' and the whole lot rest of them are Nigerians, Moroccan's etc. You are actually more like United Statesians. Or Of's.)

The world is our home. If we fuck up a country so bad that it is Third World we cant stand back and say, "You there, make your country better for your children" as though you have no responsibility for what is going on all over the world. People desperate to make their life better are in fact not doing wrong. They are doing what is best for them and that is what we all deserve. That is not harming everyone.

The laws need work/change. You cant slap some half ass generic law and expect everyone and every situation to fit under it. It is unreal, lazy and unloving. If we all started off on the same page with loving parents, a secure home, food to eat, education to be had etc etc you could rant about 'going home'. This is not the case and since the foundation of USA was based on doing wrong, that is, stealing lying, taking, doing major freaking harm then we need to sort out a level playing field. We need to make the third world go away and we all be one world, first world, same world. This planet is our home and because many have it so much better than the better part of the world needs to be looked at. We need to figure out how to balance this all out in a loving and fair way.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3210974

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3319709

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3212578

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3212736

How many more posts?

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It is my postion that all illegals who are not paid under the table have committed identity theft. Something i have repeatedly stated.

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What would prevent them from paying fica with a tin?

Prove to me they do.


You were the one who said that they could not. It would appear that the burden of proof is on you.

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I did not suggest that it gave an illegal a right to work, only that it would allow them to pay taxes which you claim that they can only do if they steal someones identity.

If all they possess is an ITIN number that isnt valid for working, then explain how they get a job and pay taxes into the system.

They get the job just as they do now. A tin would enable them to pay the taxes which you aledge that they are not currently paying.

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It is my postion that all illegals who are not paid under the table have committed identity theft. Something i have repeatedly stated.

From the cites above it would indicate that you have been stating it "repeatedly" since 17 may of 2010.
A two and a half month history in a debate that has been going on for years does not appear to be a significant history. What it does seem to indicate is that someone thinks they have found a "legal" hook to hang their bigoted xenophobic hat on.

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It is my postion that all illegals who are not paid under the table have committed identity theft. Something i have repeatedly stated.

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If all they possess is an ITIN number that isnt valid for working, then explain how they get a job and pay taxes into the system.

They get the job just as they do now. A tin would enable them to pay the taxes which you aledge that they are not currently paying.

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ORIGINAL: joether

Since 'illegal immigration' isn't about someone breaking laws.

It is ILLEGAL. 

That means "breaking the law." 

ILLEGAL.  You even used the word yourself. 

It boggles the mind,doesnt it?

I am boggled. 

Look, I know that Americans want to make life better for people.  It is part of the soul of our country.  If we see a wrong, we desire to right it.

Don't you mean if we see a resource we steal it?

  We may not be the policemen of the world, but we act like it because it would wound us too much to do otherwise.

Don't you mean we would have to pay for it if our "policeman" did not insure that we could steal said resource?

  It is not our job to save every person of every other country.  However, the question remains, can we live with ourselves if we do not try.

Don't you mean can our corporatocracy live without the resources of other countries? 

The problem has arisen because there are some that do not desire to join into this understanding.  Instead of trying to right the wrongs in their own country, and requesting help, they have chosen to disregard their own country and ours.

Don't you mean that part of someone else's country that we took at the point of a gun?


  Personal gain has triumphed over a desire for world or even home country gain.  There is a lack of loyalty to anything but the "self."

I take it here that you are talking about yourself and the corporatocracy to which you seem to owe some allegiance.

It is unfortunate and sad.

Your position certainly is

At the end of the day, they are doing wrong.  They know this.  It is harming everyone involved.  Illegal immigrants need to go back to their home country and affect change there, if they want something better for their children. 

Do you feel the same way about amerikans who are illegaly in other countries?

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Don't you mean that part of someone else's country that we took at the point of a gun?

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It is my postion that all illegals who are not paid under the table have committed identity theft. Something i have repeatedly stated.

From the cites above it would indicate that you have been stating it "repeatedly" since 17 may of 2010.
A two and a half month history in a debate that has been going on for years does not appear to be a significant history. What it does seem to indicate is that someone thinks they have found a "legal" hook to hang their bigoted xenophobic hat on.

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It is my postion that all illegals who are not paid under the table have committed identity theft. Something i have repeatedly stated.

Posted to remind you of my statement.

so i have proven my point that i have been stating it numerous times, and yet you find something else to try and deter the argument.

typical

Considering i have only been posting on CM sonce 2008, and the P&R section since Obama was elected, and tentatively at that for some time.... lol... im sure you can figure out the rest.

Nearly 8,000 post in about three years and you call that posting "tentatively".
Nearly 8,000 post in about three years and you call posting your position "repeatedly" to mean that you posted this opinion a couple of months ago

But, its cool. You cant argue against my point, so you try to derail.

Didnt work.

My points still stand.

My arguement against your post is that it is brand new not old and repeated as you would try to have us believe.

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If all they possess is an ITIN number that isnt valid for working, then explain how they get a job and pay taxes into the system.

They get the job just as they do now. A tin would enable them to pay the taxes which you aledge that they are not currently paying.

Ah, but this is where you are missing the point... deliberately. In order to "get the job" they are either using someone elses SS number or working under the table.

If they are working "under the table" and paying their taxes then they are not evading their taxes as you allege.

We have come full circle.

Not we...only you.

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Don't you mean that part of someone else's country that we took at the point of a gun?

Get over it, for fuck sake.

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Nearly 8,000 post in about three years and you call that posting "tentatively".
Nearly 8,000 post in about three years and you call posting your position "repeatedly" to mean that you posted this opinion a couple of months ago

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My arguement against your post is that it is brand new not old and repeated as you would try to have us believe.

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If they are working "under the table" and paying their taxes then they are not evading their taxes as you allege.