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Why So Many Dommes/Doms Self Esteem Issues (Repost) - 4/19/2006 2:01:09 AM   
MsMacComb


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Why is it that so many display such childish levels of needy, clingy, me-me-me, attitudes? Why the false bravado? Why the "all talk and no cock" (metaphor,,,or not) ego, from both sexes? Is it something in the water? Is it something in their upbringing, their childhood, something that happened in the womb? Is it that they are so powerless in real life that they transfer that into a "power grab" online, here, or in their attempts at S/M relationships in everyday life? Whats the reason, the purpose and the logic behind the hostility, the egos and attitudes that permeate far to much of the S/M and related kink community? A need for a hug, an enema (some people a little backed up?) a spanking?
Everyone is looking for the same thing but from their own individual perspectives and angles. Everyone wants to be loved, to be desired, to be understood, to feel validated and significant from both sides of the hairbrush, cane or whip. Tops and bottoms, Doms/Dommes and subs, spankers and spankees, go together like a *soup and sandwich* (props to Eve). Without one the other is lost. Theres an old joke about what happens in a room full of Doms/Dommes? Nothing! Without subs or switches its just a room full of Dommes/Doms that can't take the pain and whose egos can't handle being submissive. A room full of subs or switches can at least "roleplay" and get each other off in more ways than one. Tops can't.
So I would sincerely and earnestly like to know, what gives? CollarMe is a huge site and has a reputation for being well packed with the biggest bunch of over inflated blowhards the web has ever seen (on par with FOX News). Surely there are at least a few *over* educated and highly opinionated souls here that could explain to me how alienation of subs and switches somehow equates to a good time for Dommes/Doms in play, in relationships, in a collegial atmosphere, for the advancement of our cause, the betterment of society as a whole, which includes us and our other aberrative counterparts.


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RE: Why So Many Dommes/Doms Self Esteem Issues (Repost) - 4/19/2006 2:28:02 AM   
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Strange how that supposed reputation has totaly passed me by. It was recomended to me on the basis that the forums held far less in the way of gameplaying fuckwits than is the norm around most other such sites. Perhaps this 'reputation' is built off such peoples reactions when they have turned up here to play their silly little games and got laughed at. Children do tend to often be petulent about such things.

From my own experience I certainly wouldn't say it is a justifiable 'reputation' nor is the claim about Dom/me insecuritys. Not having much tolerance of blatent stupidity doesn't tend to come from insecurity.

However I am assuming you are refering to the forums and you may well be refering to the other side of the site where dependent on location and search prefrence you maybe subject to a much diffrent section of CM members than I experience.


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RE: Why So Many Dommes/Doms Self Esteem Issues (Repost) - 4/19/2006 3:02:42 AM   
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MsMacComb You seem more qualified to answer your own question than most or have you just had a pissy day so far?

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RE: Why So Many Dommes/Doms Self Esteem Issues (Repost) - 4/19/2006 3:17:32 AM   
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Wow.  Talk about getting off on one's own ego.... you've made a sweeping indictment of the entire complement of dominant's on this board.  Get over yourself, even.

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RE: Why So Many Dommes/Doms Self Esteem Issues (Repost) - 4/19/2006 3:22:07 AM   
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i'd kinda vote for the pissy day thing.

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RE: Why So Many Dommes/Doms Self Esteem Issues (Repost) - 4/19/2006 3:29:36 AM   
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And you have 164 OTHER posts in this forum?

Honestly, haven't you anything better to do than to insult everyone else here and then add "explain to me why I'm wrong" at the end?  You think you'll get anything besides a punch in the crotch and a paddle across the side of the head?    Get a grip, pal.  You're complaining about what a bunch of jerks people are.  It's not our fault you got cut off at the bar again tonight.

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RE: Why So Many Dommes/Doms Self Esteem Issues (Repost) - 4/19/2006 3:41:18 AM   
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There is most certainly a strong element of closemindedness among a notable number of dommes here; I have learned here that perhaps most dommes do not want a sub-male to jump right into discussion of kink right away. I had to learn that because i was brand-new and assuming that the dommes thought the same way that I did given the nature of this site; however, the exceedingly self-righteous punishment that was directed my way was indeed alienating. I think that subs need to listen to what dommes say (after all, we want to give them that which they desire), however, i also think that it can be said in a manner that is instructive and CONstructive. When someone is behaving in an over-the-top fashion (domme or not), it is very difficult to take them or what they are saying very seriously because they don't come off as being in control of their very own selves. And, while I can tell that many dommes are tired of having the sub-males jump right into discussion of kink (which I can certainly understand), I think that it is also true that there are many "newbies" just groping their way through the dark and needing guidance on how to proceed rather than a blasting.

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RE: Why So Many Dommes/Doms Self Esteem Issues (Repost) - 4/19/2006 4:25:13 AM   
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quote:

Why is it that so many display such childish levels of needy, clingy, me-me-me, attitudes? Why the false bravado? Why the "all talk and no cock" (metaphor,,,or not) ego, from both sexes?


Actually <evil grin> I'd like to address the issue .. from a submissive's perspective as was asked for. For I too see a tendency for some who identify as dominant to be uber arrogant in conversation with me .. even though I have not offered my submission first. If I question .. =) gently and with respect of course .. many times I have received trash in return. I can usually sense in the first post whether they are going to be a <grins> what I would call a RoosterDom.

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Is it that they are so powerless in real life that they transfer that into a "power grab" online, here, or in their attempts at S/M relationships in everyday life? Whats the reason, the purpose and the logic behind the hostility, the egos and attitudes that permeate far to much of the S/M and related kink community?


Why indeed? Could be many things .. for being a dominant does not preclude one from basic manners or the Golden Rule .. to treat others as you yourself would like to be treated. Were these people spoiled? neglected? hurt somehow in the past? In a way, I am curious as to each individual's drivers and motivation to behave pompously ... heheh yet not enough to delve deeply.

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A room full of subs or switches can at least "roleplay" and get each other off in more ways than one. Tops can't.


Hmmmmmmmm I agree and disagree. Some Tops *can* get under, get down ... most though <gasp> would never go there cause to do so would mean a loss of power or *status* among their peers. Funny though, I've heard *many* stories about male doms in the area approaching the Ladies covertly. And funny too that some look down on submissives, whilst I find submission empowering .. with the right Partner =) of course....

Welllllllllllll <blush> being people pleasers, many submissives are able to become the active participant in play rather than the passive one .. in order to meet the needs of others we hold dear =) .... Some of the best play I have had has been with bottoms topping me ... hmm or myself with a violent wand in hand and an evil grin on me face heheheh

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CollarMe is a huge site and has a reputation for being well packed with the biggest bunch of over inflated blowhards the web has ever seen (on par with FOX News).


foX reporting here ... Online BDSM sites are being overrun with wankers, wannabes and blowhards .. those who believe something is owed to them. They are willing to take what they believe should be theirs, without asking permission first. Be on the lookout for the Rooster Dom (a big cock that struts around the yard), the FemaleSupremist (one who doesn't believe in equality or equity, but that women .. maybe even just her .. should rule the world hahahah! ... whoops, pardon .. don't know what came over me there), or TrueDom (where the only truth is their own). There are others in this gang, so beware and be aware.

If you come into contact with a wanker or a wannabe, it is important that you .. do not respond in a negative manner! This will only escalate the problem, and make you a target for further action. Instead, smile and nod, back away slowly, and contact the online BDSM police IMMEDIATELY at reportajerk@ bdsmpolicingonline dot net.

Play hard, play saafe,
This is foX .. signing off =)

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RE: Why So Many Dommes/Doms Self Esteem Issues (Repost) - 4/19/2006 5:02:01 AM   
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So.. who peed in your wheaties this morning?

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RE: Why So Many Dommes/Doms Self Esteem Issues (Repost) - 4/19/2006 5:47:41 AM   
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edited...
had a second thought
eh, not worth a reply

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RE: Why So Many Dommes/Doms Self Esteem Issues (Repost) - 4/19/2006 5:59:26 AM   
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I think she is pissed cause someone bounced a check on her...

If you want me to respond, rephrase your post so that I don't automatically qualify as either childish if I don't or *over* educated if I do...

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RE: Why So Many Dommes/Doms Self Esteem Issues (Repost) - 4/19/2006 6:50:24 AM   
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I haven't seen a trend of Dominants with self-esteem issues.
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Why is it that so many display such childish levels of needy, clingy, me-me-me, attitudes? Why the false bravado? Why the "all talk and no cock" (metaphor,,,or not) ego, from both sexes?

I haven't seen this trend in the first place, so I have no clue *why*.
Are you hanging out somewhere in which there are a lot of needy, clingy Dominants with a me-me-me attitude and flase bravado?  Are your Dominant peers being egotistical? There's always a bad apple or two, but as for seeing this as a pattern, I'm just not seeing it.

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CollarMe is a huge site and has a reputation for being well packed with the biggest bunch of over inflated blowhards the web has ever seen

I didn't know CM had that reputation. I thought it had a reputation that it was a less fantasy-filled, no charge lifestyle site where people could meet each other, place personal ads, and use the forums. Really. That's the most I've heard regarding the reputation of collarme. No more. No less.

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alienation of subs and switches .

I haven't seen alienation of subs and switches. Ya know, most BDSM communities kind of alienate Goreans, edgeplayers, and Swingers. I haven't even seen *that* happening here.

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somehow equates to a good time for Dommes/Doms in play, in relationships, in a collegial atmosphere, for the advancement of our cause, the betterment of society as a whole, which includes us and our other aberrative counterparts.

I'm not trying to save the earth here. I just want to find a few subs/slaves, make a few friends, and learn some new tricks of the trade. The last thing on my agenda is advancing some cause. In fact, keep my ass as far away as possible from any politics. Been there. Done that. Got ill.
The betterment of society as a whole?
Shit. I don't even recycle.

Did anything in particular dash your hopes this morning?

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RE: Why So Many Dommes/Doms Self Esteem Issues (Repost) - 4/19/2006 7:04:32 AM   
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interesting....you even raised my eyebrows with your rant....to me it seemed overly dramatic and highly disrespectful...
 
i am fairly new to posting on collar me, and read far more forums than i comment on, so i will speak as a newcomer in saying that i have seen almost none of what you are complaining about....most submissives are treated with kindness from Dominants, including myself....i have seen some sarcasm, mostly deserved....but overall, i have found collar me to really be a helpful place for people to come to talk, comment, discuss, laugh....
 
it sounds as though you have a personal issue  - perhaps you shuold take it up with benji, the Complaint Moderator...

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RE: Why So Many Dommes/Doms Self Esteem Issues (Repost) - 4/19/2006 7:07:53 AM   
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My display of me-me-me attitude is because that is how it is, it is all about me.

It is not needy or clingy or whiny, it is what it is.

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RE: Why So Many Dommes/Doms Self Esteem Issues (Repost) - 4/19/2006 7:10:19 AM   
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A provocative message. You also sound angry, and I think it is justified. I often feel the same and for similar reasons. You're getting the usual defensive or brush-off responses to your comments that are a standard response to any "attack" on an online herd/group--one of the reasons why it is so hard to tell or hear truth on messages boards.  People can't help doing this though: group/mob behavior and reactions are largely unconscious.  Also, there are in any online group a significant number of  people who so insecure that even a very generalized critique of a large body of people is taken by them as a deeply personal affront. Sigh.

Much of what you've observed has been my experience too. I believe the primary  reasons for this are twofold:

(1) A significant majority of "dominants" posting here are not actually dominant. In fact, they are significantly less mature, experienced, and perhaps even intelligent than the average vanilla-sexed person. They are here because they think a relationship with a submissive will somehow be much easier than their frustrating (if any) experiences with ordinary dating or because their egos declare that they must be dominant. They respond or approach submissives in extremely inappropriate and unerotic ways due to their egos and lack of maturity (which includes a basic inability to understand what another human being wants or needs from a relationship). Boy, is that an incorrect assumption, submissives have a tough time in life and come with their unique and often not-insignificant set of problems and issues, and when the self-proclaimed "masters" discover this fact or find the pick-up waters far more difficult than they imagined, they throw the equivelent of a childish temper tantrum, often over and over and over again. Their profiles and journals compensate with increasingly more egotistical, complaining, and demanding statements, which, naturally, are even more off-putting to the people they hope to attract, and bring to them even more unhappy and failed encounters.  For some, this becomes a vicious, downward spiral until their only reason for being on this site becomes the momentary vindication they get from attacking others, often in an unprovoked fashion.

I'm not saying that a lot of submissives do not behave similarly; many do, not just toward dominants but toward other submissives (I get random "out of the blue" hate mail from sub men semi-regularly and occasionally from sub women, usually ones already in relationships, strangely enough--perhaps that has something to do with my unwillingness to become part of a harem?)   but this thread is about dominants, and I don't think it's very helpful or on-topic (or particularly mature) to respond to an intelligent critque simply point the finger in the other direction and chant "You Do it Too, Nya, Nya, Nya!"  Besides, there is supposed to be (or so I thought? maybe I am confused!) significant difference between dominants and submissives. Dominants are, as I aways understood it, supposed to be capable, in-charge, able to handle responsibility, able to control themselves as well as others--or at least in relationship to the submissive or slave who is theirs or who they want to be theirs. (Once again, let me disclaim that I am not saying that submissives cannot have all of these traits too, but in a D&S or control relationship, having these particular qualities, as I understand it, their primary function or contribution to the relationship, unless they're engaged in the fairly common practice of "mothering from the bottom!") Which brings me indirectly to what I think is the second reason for this behavior:

(2) The medium of online communications encourages this sort of behavior and often brings it out in people--dominant, submissive, vanilla or switch--who otherwise act responsibly and maturely in real life.  The reasons for this are myriad, and off-topic to this thread. Suffice it to say that the dominant who can refrain from engaging in the sort of irresponsible and peevish behavior that a semi-unreal and "no-consequences" environment encourages stands out quite favorably in the large crowd of angry, complaining, foot-stomping Master, Sir, Lord, Mistress, and Lady Children. I'm sure such individuals find the type of submissive they seek (as well as and attract many more they don't seek) with relative ease.

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RE: Why So Many Dommes/Doms Self Esteem Issues (Repost) - 4/19/2006 7:26:40 AM   
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fox,

a good rational thought to a ligitimate post/complaint!

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RE: Why So Many Dommes/Doms Self Esteem Issues (Repost) - 4/19/2006 10:08:16 AM   
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I can understand what MsMacComb's frustrations, even from a Sub's view. But checking her profile, she is seeking a sub/slave, that will be difficult to meet. She appears to be seeking what I would consider, maybe the ultimate surrender. A previous post delved into cuckolding, and as I recall, many subs consider that a hard limit.  Her search may be for a needle in a hay field. I hope you find what you seek.

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RE: Why So Many Dommes/Doms Self Esteem Issues (Repost) - 4/19/2006 10:17:28 AM   
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I once had a vanilla boyfriend who said "there's a seat for every ass". 

Maybe these Dom's/Domme's have this super supremacy and demanding presence because there are subs out there that are attracted to that (and there are!  Believe me!) and that is the type of submissive they want to attract.  I think it is a mistake to assume that any of us think alike about everything.....what may seem offensive to you, may be someone elses cup-o-tea.  Likewise....to say that "everyone wants..............." ANYTHING is a mistake, because as soon as you say that, someone will come up and prove you wrong.  It's kind of like the television remote...if you don't like it....change the channel.  Someone else may think it is perfection to them. 

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RE: Why So Many Dommes/Doms Self Esteem Issues (Repost) - 4/19/2006 10:17:41 AM   
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Congratulations! I think you've packed more generalizations into one post than I've ever seen in a single post here on Collar Me. Well done!

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RE: Why So Many Dommes/Doms Self Esteem Issues (Repost) - 4/19/2006 10:51:33 AM   
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well first I would like to say hello since this is my first post. This is the first time I have been truly moved to respond. I can agree to some extent, because I myself have come across a number of Dom/mes both RL and here on CM, who are as you describe. I also agree that many are over the top, demanding and generally a pain in the ass. I do not believe being rude or self righteous are traits of Dominance. And yet, when attempting to talk with the many subs who email me,  being congenial and polite leads to comments from the also uneducated little worms such as I am not dominant enough. So in a response I think it comes down to an old ecconomic principle of supply and demand. As long as there are subs who do not understand that dominance is through actions and respect is given when earned ,and not a matter of demanding someone prostrate themselves when you have done nothing yet to earn the right to demand it, then there will be Dom/mes, also generally uneducated and new to the scene, who will see no other way to behave and convey themselves. Frankly hand fits in glove and may they all keep each other busy! It leaves the rest of the people here, who I have found interesting, intelligent and informative time to talk. haha also apologies for the gigantic run on but hey grammar isnt always my specialty...

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