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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

Mike you are such a tart

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Conservative myths to the contrary, having children in order to collect public assistance is not a profitable venture, for illegal immigrants or legal residents.

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There should be a mechanism, to allow these people to become US Citizens.

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ORIGINAL: Jack45

http://www.14thamendment.us/index.html
An obscure reading of the amendment is used to justify anchor babies, it needs to be addressed. Of course with the Kagan and Sotomayor and Ginsburg and Breyer appointments the present opinion will most likely stand.
Good, worse is better.
The future: Tribal warfare over the goodies, what's left of them.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Section 411(d) of PRWORA permits States to expand alien eligibility
by providing State or local public benefits to illegal aliens. But this
may occur only if the State enacts a law after August 22, 1996, that
affirmatively provides that illegal aliens are eligible to receive (all
or particular) State or local public benefits.

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/ofa/law-reg/finalrule/tanfru_2.htm

I dont believe Butch indicated the parents were ever eligible, but stated they got it through their legally born children. Note the above. TANF can be made available to illegal aliens per their final ruling;

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

"I have heard various people say that women drawing AFDC and other welfare rarely stop after the first one."



Well.........that settles it. Various people can`t be wrong.

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ORIGINAL: kdsub

OK...they stay home...poor lifestyle...poor healthcare for their children...poor schools...poor housing…OR... They have their children in the US... Better jobs...better healthcare...better schools...better housing and utilities…welfare to offset costs.

What decision would you make?

Butch

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ORIGINAL: Jack45

http://www.14thamendment.us/index.html
An obscure reading of the amendment is used to justify anchor babies, it needs to be addressed. Of course with the Kagan and Sotomayor and Ginsburg and Breyer appointments the present opinion will most likely stand.
Good, worse is better.
The future: Tribal warfare over the goodies, what's left of them.

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I've never heard "press two for Chinese" have you?

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as I understand how these systems work....doing nothing gets you English

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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Section 411(d) of PRWORA permits States to expand alien eligibility
by providing State or local public benefits to illegal aliens. But this
may occur only if the State enacts a law after August 22, 1996, that
affirmatively provides that illegal aliens are eligible to receive (all
or particular) State or local public benefits.

http://www.acf.hhs.gov/programs/ofa/law-reg/finalrule/tanfru_2.htm

I dont believe Butch indicated the parents were ever eligible, but stated they got it through their legally born children. Note the above. TANF can be made available to illegal aliens per their final ruling;

But Tazzy, aren't there work requirements and time limits set by law in TANF? Doesn't that limit the numbers of elegible families? The discussion on here is reminescent of Ronald Reagan's "Welfare Queen" rhetoric in his campaign for president.

The average number of monthly recipients for welfare (AFDC) in 1996 was over 12 million. In 1997 when TANF began the number dropped to a little over 10 million. By 2007 it was down to under 4 million. A very large percentage of that number are kids.

I think it has increased since the recession of 2008 no doubt, but it is not like the world is coming here to get rich on our welfare. Four million people out of a population of more than 300 million is barely a bit more than 1.0 % of our population.

And btw, do we have any idea how many States if any have made TANF available to illegals?

It seems shameful to bicker over helping such a relatively small number of needy people. Mainly, it is political passion at work here to point fingers at so few and think that will resolve our national economic problems. Pretty ugly stuff I think coming from the dispassionate Conservatives.

TANF is a WORK program, people. It ended "welfare as we knew it." About time we dispensed with the old "Welfare Queen" mythology that is being applied here to aliens and deal with the more substantial problems of what to do with these people. John McCain was for comprehensive reform before he was against it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temporary_Assistance_for_Needy_Families

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

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Conservative myths to the contrary, having children in order to collect public assistance is not a profitable venture, for illegal immigrants or legal residents.

I've never heard conservatives say having children on welfare was "profitable".

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave
I have heard various people say that women drawing AFDC and other welfare rarely stop after the first one. Which is what they call, you know a fact. Rather than madeup BS like, you know, profitable.