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Icarys -> RE: When being smart can be a curse. (8/9/2010 4:04:00 PM)
quote: Unless I get confused on what exactly was "my way" when my cock is shoved to the hilt down her throat. Intelligent women are sneaky like that. I believe some women happily drain the lifeforce this way from men..Slowly dehydrating the body to where cognitive skills are diminished and then they prey upon us while in a diminished state..This is why I limit blowjobs to 5 a day instead of 10. One can never be too safe.

interlocutor -> RE: When being smart can be a curse. (8/9/2010 6:22:13 PM)
quote: Intelligence at times can be a hindrance..How is that possible right..How could anyone even think that...It's simple...sometimes a person can over think a thing..sometimes a person can second guess and or have trouble letting go of control because of this. You are confused, intelligence does not cause one to over think, obsession does. Intelligence does not cause one to second guess, self doubt does. Intelligence does not cause one to fear letting go, insecurity does. An intelligent person may be obsessive, insecure, and full of self doubt, but they do not do these things BECAUSE they are intelligent.

Icarys -> RE: When being smart can be a curse. (8/9/2010 6:43:05 PM)
quote: You are confused, intelligence does not cause one to over think, obsession does. Intelligence does not cause one to second guess, self doubt does. Intelligence does not cause one to fear letting go, insecurity does. An intelligent person may be obsessive, insecure, and full of self doubt, but they do not do these things BECAUSE they are intelligent. I believe you are confused about me being confused.. Who's on second? Not me but where's third? I don't really think there is a hard and fast scientifically direct correlation between these things and intelligence but all of that isn't really what the topic is about if you take time to read and maybe understand where I'm coming from. The things you've mentioned are of course true but they are on the far side of what I'm talking about...Now I won't deny that sometimes the way I plan and work things out in my job/life in someways might be obsessive to some of you but all I can say is that it's required in a way, for what I do..I have to be creative because I may wind up doing something new that I've never done before(on a regular basis it seems)..so again being able to work out the details in my head long before I make steps or plan on the fly is a must. Another one of my sayings is "I make plans inside of plans or I have plans for plans" So yeah, maybe it is a little excessive but it's the way my mind works..No sense obsessing over that.:>

domiguy -> RE: When being smart can be a curse. (8/9/2010 6:55:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: interlocutor quote: Intelligence at times can be a hindrance..How is that possible right..How could anyone even think that...It's simple...sometimes a person can over think a thing..sometimes a person can second guess and or have trouble letting go of control because of this. You are confused, intelligence does not cause one to over think, obsession does. Intelligence does not cause one to second guess, self doubt does. Intelligence does not cause one to fear letting go, insecurity does. An intelligent person may be obsessive, insecure, and full of self doubt, but they do not do these things BECAUSE they are intelligent. Some times people who don't second guess are impulsive. Sometimes when people let go they end up paralyzed because they were to dumb to realize they were fifty feet in the air. An intelligent person might try and analyze a situation before forming an opinion. Obviously you would not.

interlocutor -> RE: When being smart can be a curse. (8/9/2010 7:31:46 PM)
Blaming supposed "higher intelligence" for ones shortcomings is blaming the tool for the manner in which it is used. All of the behaviors in this thread being described as "symptoms" of intelligence are all caused by something else. If one fails to acknowledge the ACTUAL cause of the behaviors and instead hides behind an excuse i.e. "I'm too smart for my own good," that can hardly be considered intelligent. Continue with your name calling.

Bobanna -> RE: When being smart can be a curse. (8/9/2010 8:04:30 PM)
I think Doogie Howser had this problem ... it was quite severe if I remember right. I was only 12, but I could see even during those formative years how super intellegence could be a big problem in someones life.

laurell3 -> RE: When being smart can be a curse. (8/9/2010 8:24:14 PM)
You guys are so cute comparing your cock sizes and all that jazz. There's not one answer to the question of why different people do anything in life.

domiguy -> RE: When being smart can be a curse. (8/9/2010 8:43:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: interlocutor Blaming supposed "higher intelligence" for ones shortcomings is blaming the tool for the manner in which it is used. All of the behaviors in this thread being described as "symptoms" of intelligence are all caused by something else. If one fails to acknowledge the ACTUAL cause of the behaviors and instead hides behind an excuse i.e. "I'm too smart for my own good," that can hardly be considered intelligent. Continue with your name calling. No one called you a name....Mr Spooky......Ooooooooo!!!

porcelaine -> RE: When being smart can be a curse. (8/9/2010 8:56:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sexyred1 I used to think the same as you...until I met someone who was able to bring me to that place better than anyone else ever did. And he is not as smart as me. But that is part of the point. Someone can get into your submissive head without having the brilliance you think you need for the rest of the relationship. You were open to this person. I don't think that discounts what she's suggesting. She simply doesn't entertain men like that rendering the opportunity moot. quote: At least that is what surprisingly happened with me. Sometimes someone is able to listen enough to understand what buttons to push...even though they might not be as quick thinking as you or be able to discuss literature. Men that pushed my buttons were handsome and intelligent. They were able to do so because they met the criteria I found appealing in a prospect and simply tripped my switch. I admit you can have surprises but mine always fell in line with the standard. I think it comes down to preferences and the value you place on a particular attribute. Intelligence on its own means nada without class. I've encountered a lot with the first but few that blended the two in the manner I needed. [;)] ~porcelaine

Icarys -> RE: When being smart can be a curse. (8/9/2010 9:04:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: interlocutor Blaming supposed "higher intelligence" for ones shortcomings is blaming the tool for the manner in which it is used. All of the behaviors in this thread being described as "symptoms" of intelligence are all caused by something else. If one fails to acknowledge the ACTUAL cause of the behaviors and instead hides behind an excuse i.e. "I'm too smart for my own good," that can hardly be considered intelligent. Continue with your name calling. There are no symptoms because it isn't a curse for real. It's a saying people use to label specific behaviors, yes..There are a multitude of levels and variations on this theme but I don't think any of us are qualified officially to give real answers. I would imagine if you were able to speak to someone that is, you might get a different answer than what you believe..All of this has been an observation I made that I wanted to discuss..Nothing clinical about it as far as I know. Who knows though..Maybe they'll do a study about it or have and we can find out for sure.[:D] Unless you have a PHD hiding in your cloak next to your sickle? Anyway, I appreciate all of the comments from everyone. Thanks again.

sunshinemiss -> RE: When being smart can be a curse. (8/10/2010 1:44:31 AM)
Hello Icarys, I've not read the entire thread. Beg your pardon if this is a rehash There are many kinds of intelligence. I'm attaching a link to a site that describes the 9 types of intelligence that have been proposed. One of the places people get stuck is that one person's type of intelligence is not the same as another person's. If you are a wordsmith and don't value kinesthetic intelligence and you are with a person with that type of strength, then the other person can become frustrated and restless if not permitted to express that. By acknowledging and encouraging the natural inclination of someone, the frustration and restlessness can be abated. If however, you want to turn a painter into a mathematician, that's a whole other story. It reminds me of the old joke - don't try to teach a pig to sing. It will just hurt your ears and irritate the pig. I'd say that unless the natural intellect is engaged, a certain restlessness can arise and make the relationship difficult. http://www.macalester.edu/psychology/whathap/ubnrp/intelligence05/mtypes.html I think I'll stop there for the moment. I have some book learning to do! Best, sunshine

Icarys -> RE: When being smart can be a curse. (8/10/2010 6:28:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss Hello Icarys, I've not read the entire thread. Beg your pardon if this is a rehash There are many kinds of intelligence. I'm attaching a link to a site that describes the 9 types of intelligence that have been proposed. One of the places people get stuck is that one person's type of intelligence is not the same as another person's. If you are a wordsmith and don't value kinesthetic intelligence and you are with a person with that type of strength, then the other person can become frustrated and restless if not permitted to express that. By acknowledging and encouraging the natural inclination of someone, the frustration and restlessness can be abated. If however, you want to turn a painter into a mathematician, that's a whole other story. It reminds me of the old joke - don't try to teach a pig to sing. It will just hurt your ears and irritate the pig. I'd say that unless the natural intellect is engaged, a certain restlessness can arise and make the relationship difficult. http://www.macalester.edu/psychology/whathap/ubnrp/intelligence05/mtypes.html I think I'll stop there for the moment. I have some book learning to do! Best, sunshine Heya Sunshinemiss, Thanks for the refresher link. I found it very interesting. I had forgotten the list of functions for each side of the brain..Obviously mostly I'm a left brain thinker :>.. On a side note: Did you know you can switch your brains gears manually by doing a simple "exercise" for the type of task your trying to complete? It's really kinda neat I thought. I've tried it and it works :>... I read a multitude of books following my strokes to try and understand what was going on and look for ways to get it back and maybe enhance it some..everything from nutrition to exercises to HBOT. I was even at one time going to build my own. The brain is really fascinating, don't you agree? I'm not sure where I read this but did you also know they say that the link between the left and right brain in women is thinner and that women use more of their brains as a whole simultaneously? I think that's what it said..Hell it's been 20 years since I've read that I think. To some degree I don't think it ever hurts a person to pratice outside of their strength of range when it comes to intelligence, but I understand what your saying and agree.

sunshinemiss -> RE: When being smart can be a curse. (8/10/2010 8:22:49 AM)
Hello Icarys, Yes, I love neurology. It is fascinating. Loved it in uni, but alas, I've not been in that side of things for awhile. My information is thin at best. Perhaps a more medical person would be the one for you to chat with about that. But as to the corpus callosum, the highway between the hemispheres... I started to do the research, but it's too late, and I'm too tired to sift through the Korean library system that I use to get access to academic articles. Sorry! Now, off to bed and then off to the wild blue yonder! Best to you, sunshine

WestBaySlave -> RE: When being smart can be a curse. (8/10/2010 9:17:23 AM)
Every time I've turned off that critical voice in my mind, it's lead to trouble. As time has past, I've only become more intensely analytical of the men I've involved myself with, and in general, my life has been all the better for it. In answer to your quote "Use your intelligence for the good of the relationship. Use it and find a way to submit instead of using it to justify a way out of it." Well, it all depends on the man or woman in question. Goodness knows I tried to find all kind of excuses for my first dom, argue with myself as to why his most blatant lies must be true, and in general have faith and submit to a man who deserved neither my trust nor my submission. Me being a good slave to him did nothing to make him a good master, and after a certain point, I realized I was a holding a candle for someone who'd never see me as anything apart from an occasional playdate. It's easy but rather naive for a good-natured dominant to think "Well, I know I'm trustworthy and safe to submit to, obviously it's the sub's problem if they're not unquestioning in their submission." There are good liars and doms don't have transparent heads. Especially when I'm getting to know a man, there will be a ton of questions and never an instant trust. A "why" is not the same as a "no", however, and if I question a man's orders it's to understand him and his desires better, not to undermine his authority. I'm only compatible with a man who feels similarly.

Icarys -> RE: When being smart can be a curse. (8/10/2010 9:48:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WestBaySlave Every time I've turned off that critical voice in my mind, it's lead to trouble. As time has past, I've only become more intensely analytical of the men I've involved myself with, and in general, my life has been all the better for it. In answer to your quote "Use your intelligence for the good of the relationship. Use it and find a way to submit instead of using it to justify a way out of it." Well, it all depends on the man or woman in question. Goodness knows I tried to find all kind of excuses for my first dom, argue with myself as to why his most blatant lies must be true, and in general have faith and submit to a man who deserved neither my trust nor my submission. Me being a good slave to him did nothing to make him a good master, and after a certain point, I realized I was a holding a candle for someone who'd never see me as anything apart from an occasional playdate. It's easy but rather naive for a good-natured dominant to think "Well, I know I'm trustworthy and safe to submit to, obviously it's the sub's problem if they're not unquestioning in their submission." There are good liars and doms don't have transparent heads. Especially when I'm getting to know a man, there will be a ton of questions and never an instant trust. A "why" is not the same as a "no", however, and if I question a man's orders it's to understand him and his desires better, not to undermine his authority. I'm only compatible with a man who feels similarly. I can understand what your saying. I do know there is a potential bad side to "shutting down". I also understand why people have trouble doing this..A lot comes from trust issues and I think it's safe to say that we all have had them at one time or another..Either side.

Icarys -> RE: When being smart can be a curse. (8/10/2010 9:52:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sunshinemiss Hello Icarys, Yes, I love neurology. It is fascinating. Loved it in uni, but alas, I've not been in that side of things for awhile. My information is thin at best. Perhaps a more medical person would be the one for you to chat with about that. But as to the corpus callosum, the highway between the hemispheres... I started to do the research, but it's too late, and I'm too tired to sift through the Korean library system that I use to get access to academic articles. Sorry! Now, off to bed and then off to the wild blue yonder! Best to you, sunshine Yeah well, I'm not a braniac on the subject either..It's been years since I've read all of that material and I just don't remember things quite like I used to. Have a good rest.

juliaoceania -> RE: When being smart can be a curse. (8/10/2010 9:55:11 AM)
quote: i am smart, i have a beautiful face and a great body, and in the shower i sing pretty good too... that was 4 blessings i am pretty happy about... and i can count much much more than that who is slamming who julia? I have not slammed anyone on this thread... I am glad you can embrace all your wonderful qualities... I do not possess all that you do, I assure you

juliaoceania -> RE: When being smart can be a curse. (8/10/2010 9:59:25 AM)
quote: it's more that I'm deeply inter- and intra-personally intelligent, and I'm overly analytical in every which way. I cannot shut my brain off, except when someone turns it off for me, in certain delicious, dark moments. I can completely relate to this... when I am in subspace it is like someone flicked a switch in my brain and it gets rebooted....it is yummy because my brain never shuts off either

juliaoceania -> RE: When being smart can be a curse. (8/10/2010 10:01:47 AM)
quote: But at the end of the day, on the shit that really matters, it is my way. Unless I get confused on what exactly was "my way" when my cock is shoved to the hilt down her throat. Intelligent women are sneaky like that. Yeah, we are[;)]

LadyNTrainer -> RE: When being smart can be a curse. (8/10/2010 10:05:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Icarys I'm looking for your views and experiences with or as "intelligent slaves". Wouldn't have any other kind. Why would I want a stupid slave? Micromanagement is no fun; I want a subby with whom I can point to a task and state my end goal, and have him be smart enough to figure out the optimal way to accomplish it himself. More to the point, why would I want to share my life with someone who wasn't seriously smart and as geeky as me, and fun to be around? If I have to explain every reference I make or half the vocabulary I use, this is not a person I am going to be able to enjoy spending time around no matter how hot they are. There have been no downsides for me. I've always owned smart, incredibly geeky guys, and I've never run into a situation where their intelligence caused them to second-guess me in a way I did not appreciate. If I tell him to accomplish a task and he points out that from an engineering standpoint he could do it better if he had different materials or used a different method, this is an upside, not a downside. He will still make do with what we have or do it the way I prefer if I decide it's not worth making the changes he recommends, but I would rather have the intelligent assessment so that I can make an informed decision.

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