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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

The three showed up to Congress, hats in hand... to beg for money from the American people... after just deboarding from three private airplanes.

I bitched about it at the time... and do so now... the damn idiots. Never heard of ride share??? gesh!

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
And if he is going to preach to us about sacrifice he should be taking the first steps and leading by example, rather than this do as I say, not as I do BS..

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Yeah, i can understand when half truths and out right lies are reported against Obama, how people are upset. By the time the lies are revealed, no one listens.

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ORIGINAL: RacerJim

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Yeah, i can understand when half truths and out right lies are reported against Obama, how people are upset. By the time the lies are revealed, no one listens.

And do you also understand when full truths and irrefutable facts are reported against Obama, how people also are upset? By the time Obama, Gibbs and the msm have ignored, obfuscated, denied and/or out right lied about same, no one listens.

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ORIGINAL: AsmodaisSin

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Yeah, i can understand when half truths and out right lies are reported against Obama, how people are upset. By the time the lies are revealed, no one listens.

What lies?  When people watch him and his family jet setting all over the place, and they're told to make sacrifices on energy and everything else, they get pissed off at the hypocrisy.  It's not a lie to see, is it? 

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl
Lets see... the Auto Execs were responsible for the mess they found themselves in.

Obama walked into the mess left by the bankers and auto exes.

I see a huge difference here.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Lets put the two trips into perspective.

Michelle Obama takes a private trip to Spain, along with 6 others, including her daughter, and is willing to pay part of the cost, as did her friends.

Laura Bush goes on an african safari with her daughters, but it was regarded as an "official trip" with photo ops.

lets see... Michelle admits its a private trip and pays part of it out of pocket.

Laura's is official.. and we pay the whole tab.

Curious

But, ya know what? I didnt care back then, and i dont care now. They went on vacation with their family. We pick up the tab, they pay part... whatever. Being in that limelight 24/7 has got to be exhausting. Im glad they got away... all of them. Being the First Family cannot be easy on any family... this is the price we pay to that family for giving up, literally, four years at a stretch.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


They call that logical fallacy a red herring, mnot.

http://www.fallacyfiles.org/twowrong.html

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


They call that logical fallacy a red herring, mnot.

http://www.fallacyfiles.org/twowrong.html

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


They call that logical fallacy a red herring, mnot.

http://www.fallacyfiles.org/twowrong.html

No, you are quite wrong about that, now that is suprising to no one. Your cite is wrong about that, also surprising to no one.

THIS is the world wide and UNIVERSALLY agreed definition of red herring:

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/red-herring.html

And even if your link holds any commerce with anything in argumentation, I am still virginal, since I did not imply, impute or intend to convey that anything is alright because somebody
else did something wrong, I intended to point out that your point is invalid on its face because Michelle Obama did nothing wrong.  

As for the rest, Bush, Gingrich, McCain, they are all criminals.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Again, taz - for the fifth or sixth time now, Bush didnt preach to us about the need for us to "sacrifice" in the name of the lefts hallowed global warming theology or the evils of evil greedy "fat cat" capitalists. The thread is not concerned necessarily with the hundreds of thousands of our tax dollars spent on these trips to Hawaii and Europe, etc etc etc, the 60 Ritz-Carlton rooms or the finest dining on the planet.

The issue is the hypocrisy. Queen Antoinette getting her spending groove on, while the nation is in deepening recession and King Obama lectures to us about the sins of wealth and living the good life.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Lets put the two trips into perspective.

Michelle Obama takes a private trip to Spain, along with 6 others, including her daughter, and is willing to pay part of the cost, as did her friends.

Laura Bush goes on an african safari with her daughters, but it was regarded as an "official trip" with photo ops.

lets see... Michelle admits its a private trip and pays part of it out of pocket.

Laura's is official.. and we pay the whole tab.

Curious

But, ya know what? I didnt care back then, and i dont care now. They went on vacation with their family. We pick up the tab, they pay part... whatever. Being in that limelight 24/7 has got to be exhausting. Im glad they got away... all of them. Being the First Family cannot be easy on any family... this is the price we pay to that family for giving up, literally, four years at a stretch.

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Again, taz - for the fifth or sixth time now, Bush didnt preach to us about the need for us to "sacrifice" in the name of the lefts hallowed global warming theology or the evils of evil greedy "fat cat" capitalists. The thread is not concerned necessarily with the hundreds of thousands of our tax dollars spent on these trips to Hawaii and Europe, etc etc etc, the 60 Ritz-Carlton rooms or the finest dining on the planet.

The issue is the hypocrisy. Queen Antoinette getting her spending groove on, while the nation is in deepening recession and King Obama lectures to us about the sins of wealth and living the good life.