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juliaoceania -> Fact-checking the claims about 'anchor babies' and whether illegal immigrants 'drop and leave (8/12/2010 10:25:50 PM)
This article provides the truth about anchor babies... which is an article that presents both sides.. here is some of the article. It leaves out an important point... 80% of undocumented mothers were here for over a year before giving birth, negating Grahams assertion that they "drop and leave".... Read more Here snip/It sounds like a way for illegal immigrants to get a foothold in the United States: Pregnant women from Mexico and other countries can come to the U.S. to deliver their babies. Voila! Under the 14th Amendment, the babies are instant citizens!/snip snip/t's important to note that having an "anchor baby" won't do much to help a Mexican mom become a U.S. citizen. Because citizen children cannot sponsor their parents for citizenship until they turn 21 -- and because if the parents were ever illegal, they would have to return home for 10 years before applying to come in -- having a baby to secure citizenship for its parents is an extremely long-term, and uncertain, process./snip

StrangerThan -> RE: Fact-checking the claims about 'anchor babies' and whether illegal immigrants 'drop and leave (8/12/2010 10:32:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania This article provides the truth about anchor babies... which is an article that presents both sides.. here is some of the article. It leaves out an important point... 80% of undocumented mothers were here for over a year before giving birth, negating Grahams assertion that they "drop and leave".... Read more Here snip/It sounds like a way for illegal immigrants to get a foothold in the United States: Pregnant women from Mexico and other countries can come to the U.S. to deliver their babies. Voila! Under the 14th Amendment, the babies are instant citizens!/snip snip/t's important to note that having an "anchor baby" won't do much to help a Mexican mom become a U.S. citizen. Because citizen children cannot sponsor their parents for citizenship until they turn 21 -- and because if the parents were ever illegal, they would have to return home for 10 years before applying to come in -- having a baby to secure citizenship for its parents is an extremely long-term, and uncertain, process./snip I read that one too. I also read another about how the deportations fixate on the criminal. Kind of useless if you do nothing for 21 years until they can sponsor their parents now, isn't it?

juliaoceania -> RE: Fact-checking the claims about 'anchor babies' and whether illegal immigrants 'drop and leave (8/12/2010 10:55:01 PM)
The point is having an anchor baby does nothing to anchor you for 21 freaking years... and if you get caught and deported, add 10 more years on to that total

StrangerThan -> RE: Fact-checking the claims about 'anchor babies' and whether illegal immigrants 'drop and leave (8/12/2010 11:00:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania The point is having an anchor baby does nothing to anchor you for 21 freaking years... and if you get caught and deported, add 10 more years on to that total No. The point is the baby is a US citizen. Parent may not be, but the child is. Same article that referenced deportations indicated that those with a criminal past were deported as a matter of fact, but officials often did not deport those who had a clean past, especially if they had an anchor baby. I really dislike that term by the way.

DarlingSavage -> RE: Fact-checking the claims about 'anchor babies' and whether illegal immigrants 'drop and leave (8/12/2010 11:12:02 PM)
Anchor Babies, the hottest new show on Nick Jr.?

tazzygirl -> RE: Fact-checking the claims about 'anchor babies' and whether illegal immigrants 'drop and leave (8/13/2010 3:59:14 AM)
Thousands of legal immigrants, who do not permanently reside in the United States but give birth here, have given their children the gift of citizenship, which the U.S. grants to anyone born on its soil. The number of U.S. births to non-resident mothers rose 53 percent between 2000 and 2006, according to the most recent data from the National Center for Health Statistics. Total births rose 5 percent in the same period. Among the foreigners who have given birth here, including international travelers passing through and foreign students studying at U.S. universities, are "birth tourists," women who travel to the United States with the explicit purpose of obtaining citizenship for their child. The Marmara Manhattan, a Turkish-owned luxury hotel on New York's City Upper East Side, markets birth tourism packages to expectant mothers abroad, luring more than a dozen pregnant guests and their families to the United States to give birth last year alone. "What we offer is simply a one-bedroom suite accommodation for $7,750, plus taxes, for a month, with airport transfer, baby cradle and a gift set for the mother," Marmara Hotel spokeswoman Alexandra Ballantine said. The hotel estimates the total cost of the package at $45,000. Most women stay for two months, Ballantine said, and they make medical arrangements on their own. "Guests arrange and pay for these by themselves," she said of hospital costs that can approach $30,000. For those with the means to pay, it's a small price to give a child the full benefits of U.S. citizenship, including the ability to travel freely to and from the United States, easy access to a U.S. education and a chance to start a life here. "We found a company on the Internet and decided to go to Austin [Texas] for our child's birth," Turkish mother Selin Burcuoglu told Istanbul's Hurriyet Daily News. "I don't want [my daughter] to deal with visa issues. American citizenship has so many advantages." The greatest of those advantages may be the ability of the citizen child to later sponsor the legal immigration of his or her entire family permanently to this country, experts say. The "birth tourism" industry, which is difficult to track and remains largely anecdotal, has been on the rise for years, according to government and participants reports. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/birth-tourism-industry-markets-us-citizenship-abroad/story?id=10359956&page=1

juliaoceania -> RE: Fact-checking the claims about 'anchor babies' and whether illegal immigrants 'drop and leave (8/13/2010 8:10:34 AM)
quote: The greatest of those advantages may be the ability of the citizen child to later sponsor the legal immigration of his or her entire family permanently to this country, experts say. I love it when a news article says that[8\|] Yet, having kids here is about the slowest path to legal status that there is.... Here are the facts, the USA is no longer the golden land of opportunity it once was, and that is not because of immigrants. Immigrants have kept our country competitive.Foreign students out perform our own in math and science. Frankly we have a situation in which city governments are so broke they are ending bus service, unpaving their roads, and closing libraries... honestly, if it gets worse we might be illegally immigrating for opportunities ourselves. So your panic and hysteria, which is typical during an economic downtown such as we are experiencing, is really an overreaction, they are going to stop coming on their own because there is nothing for them here.

Owner59 -> RE: Fact-checking the claims about 'anchor babies' and whether illegal immigrants 'drop and leave (8/13/2010 8:26:12 AM)
I was going to title a thread,......The Slowest Way To Citizenship....... You beat me too it.[:D]

juliaoceania -> RE: Fact-checking the claims about 'anchor babies' and whether illegal immigrants 'drop and leave (8/13/2010 8:31:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 I was going to title a thread,......The Slowest Way To Citizenship....... You beat me too it.[:D] That would have been a better thread title, DAMN

StrangerThan -> RE: Fact-checking the claims about 'anchor babies' and whether illegal immigrants 'drop and leave (8/13/2010 9:39:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 I was going to title a thread,......The Slowest Way To Citizenship....... You beat me too it.[:D] That would have been a better thread title, DAMN It's estimated that 1 in 12 children born in the US is born to an illegal-immigrant parent. This is from CNN. http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/08/11/hispanic.study/index.html?eref=rss_us&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_us+%28RSS%3A+U.S.%29 Now add this the Washington post http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/25/AR2010072501790.html "A June 30 memorandum from ICE director John Morton instructed officers to focus their "principal attention" on felons and repeat lawbreakers. The policy, influenced by a series of sometimes-heated White House meetings, also targets repeat border crossers and declares that parents caring for children or the infirm should be detained only in unusual cases. " So let's boil it down. Have a kid, ensure your ability to stay here. We're not going to let you be a citizen, but we'll let you stay. Your kid however, is and is therefore eligible for all sorts of federal programs. That competitive edge you're gloating about? It's based on keeping people out of the system, keeping them in poverty, limiting their rights and their abilities to succeed by policies that neither provide an easy work visa system and by refusing to enforce the law. So what you're hooting about is actually forcing millions to remain in poverty with the fear of deportation hanging over their heads and no way to gain at least a legal work status. This isn't fact checking. It's the same partisan bs that has strangled the nation,.

DomYngBlk -> RE: Fact-checking the claims about 'anchor babies' and whether illegal immigrants 'drop and leave (8/13/2010 9:42:49 AM)
Not to hijack.....but I saw some congressman talking about terrorist babies or some such on CNN last night. He is an elected official and I think he needed a padded cell.......

juliaoceania -> RE: Fact-checking the claims about 'anchor babies' and whether illegal immigrants 'drop and leave (8/13/2010 10:02:14 AM)
quote: It's estimated that 1 in 12 children born in the US is born to an illegal-immigrant parent. This is the statistic that pisses me off the most... how many are born to TWO illegal parents, not ONE. If your parent is a US citizen, even ONE OF THEM, you should not be in this statistic. Geesh, our service people make babies all over the world, are those kids entitled to US citizenship? I am not for illegal immigration, but I am against fear mongering, targeting only the brown skinned side of our border, and hate mongering... I am also against the exploitation of human beings,which makes me doubly against illegal immigration because these people are often exploited. Why isn't there a fence being built between Canada and the US? They have come here illegally too, for crying out loud. I can tell you why, because Mexicans are a different color and they speak a different language, and they have a far different culture than Canadians. My biggest problem with our approach to illegal immigration is that we do not look at the causes of this problem, some of which we can leave at our own back door, namely the destabilizing force of illegal drug trafficking. For decades our war on drugs has led to a waterfall of corrupting cash being flushed into the Mexican economy. This in turn has destabilized their government and their economy. We now have Mexican gang violence HERE on our side of the border... why? because the war on drugs. We have to look at what we are doing on this side of the border that creates problems to the South of us, and unless we do so we will not stop the problem. So we either need to prosecute employers who hire illegals and set up some system to do so and we need to legalize drugs, or we need to shut the fuck up because we aren't willing to do the necessary things to stop the problem.... Be prepared to pay a lot more to get your car washed, your yard landscaped, and for produce at your local market once we stop the flow, I welcome paying more to stop the exploitation, but something tells me that the very people pissing and moaning about illegals are going to be the same ones pissing and moaning about paying more for their lettuce[8\|]

Elisabella -> RE: Fact-checking the claims about 'anchor babies' and whether illegal immigrants 'drop and leave (8/13/2010 10:05:46 AM)
-FR- Anchor babies aren't a path to citizenship. They're a path to legal residency.

juliaoceania -> RE: Fact-checking the claims about 'anchor babies' and whether illegal immigrants 'drop and leave (8/13/2010 10:07:18 AM)
Which is why I said "legal status" earlier... They are the slowest path to "legal status"

hlen5 -> RE: Fact-checking the claims about 'anchor babies' and whether illegal immigrants 'drop and leave (8/13/2010 10:10:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania quote: It's estimated that 1 in 12 children born in the US is born to an illegal-immigrant parent. This is the statistic that pisses me off the most... how many are born to TWO illegal parents, not ONE. If your parent is a US citizen, even ONE OF THEM, you should not be in this statistic. Geesh, our service people make babies all over the world, are those kids entitled to US citizenship? I am not for illegal immigration, but I am against fear mongering, targeting only the brown skinned side of our border, and hate mongering... I am also against the exploitation of human beings,which makes me doubly against illegal immigration because these people are often exploited. Why isn't there a fence being built between Canada and the US? They have come here illegally too, for crying out loud. I can tell you why, because Mexicans are a different color and they speak a different language, and they have a far different culture than Canadians. My biggest problem with our approach to illegal immigration is that we do not look at the causes of this problem, some of which we can leave at our own back door, namely the destabilizing force of illegal drug trafficking. For decades our war on drugs has led to a waterfall of corrupting cash being flushed into the Mexican economy. This in turn has destabilized their government and their economy. We now have Mexican gang violence HERE on our side of the border... why? because the war on drugs. We have to look at what we are doing on this side of the border that creates problems to the South of us, and unless we do so we will not stop the problem. So we either need to prosecute employers who hire illegals and set up some system to do so and we need to legalize drugs, or we need to shut the fuck up because we aren't willing to do the necessary things to stop the problem.... Be prepared to pay a lot more to get your car washed, your yard landscaped, and for produce at your local market once we stop the flow, I welcome paying more to stop the exploitation, but something tells me that the very people pissing and moaning about illegals are going to be the same ones pissing and moaning about paying more for their lettuce[8\|] Agreed. It's always bettter to figure out and treat the cause rather than the symptom.

Elisabella -> RE: Fact-checking the claims about 'anchor babies' and whether illegal immigrants 'drop and leave (8/13/2010 10:12:25 AM)
Ah sorry I just read the part of the article you quoted that was discussing citizenship, not the follow-up. It might not be the fastest way to get legal residency but for a lot of these women they don't have much other option. If their child has no citizen relatives that could be appointed as a guardian it's unlikely that the baby will be taken into foster care just to deport the mother, if she's an otherwise law abiding citizen. So she has a better chance of getting legal status through being the parent and legal guardian of a US citizen than by going back to Mexico and applying for a work visa.

StrangerThan -> RE: Fact-checking the claims about 'anchor babies' and whether illegal immigrants 'drop and leave (8/13/2010 10:22:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania quote: It's estimated that 1 in 12 children born in the US is born to an illegal-immigrant parent. This is the statistic that pisses me off the most... how many are born to TWO illegal parents, not ONE. If your parent is a US citizen, even ONE OF THEM, you should not be in this statistic. Geesh, our service people make babies all over the world, are those kids entitled to US citizenship? I am not for illegal immigration, but I am against fear mongering, targeting only the brown skinned side of our border, and hate mongering... I am also against the exploitation of human beings,which makes me doubly against illegal immigration because these people are often exploited. Why isn't there a fence being built between Canada and the US? They have come here illegally too, for crying out loud. I can tell you why, because Mexicans are a different color and they speak a different language, and they have a far different culture than Canadians. My biggest problem with our approach to illegal immigration is that we do not look at the causes of this problem, some of which we can leave at our own back door, namely the destabilizing force of illegal drug trafficking. For decades our war on drugs has led to a waterfall of corrupting cash being flushed into the Mexican economy. This in turn has destabilized their government and their economy. We now have Mexican gang violence HERE on our side of the border... why? because the war on drugs. We have to look at what we are doing on this side of the border that creates problems to the South of us, and unless we do so we will not stop the problem. So we either need to prosecute employers who hire illegals and set up some system to do so and we need to legalize drugs, or we need to shut the fuck up because we aren't willing to do the necessary things to stop the problem.... Be prepared to pay a lot more to get your car washed, your yard landscaped, and for produce at your local market once we stop the flow, I welcome paying more to stop the exploitation, but something tells me that the very people pissing and moaning about illegals are going to be the same ones pissing and moaning about paying more for their lettuce[8\|] Bullshit. Fences aren't built along the Canadian border because millions of Canadians aren't flooding the country. In fact, Canada probably has to worry more about illegal immigration from the US than vice-versa. I worked there for 5 years and carried a Canadian work permit. I had to go through immigration each time, stand in line for hours sometimes, produce my documentation, provide a copy of some nafta letter, pay my fee. A friend of mine who does the same work, didn't want to bother with getting the work permit, lied about the reason she was entering the country, was caught and banned for a year. The legal ramifications at the time included 10 years in prison and a rather large fine. This has nothing to do with their fucking skin color. It has a lot to do with the en masse invasion. I am, by far, not against people south of the border coming to the US to work. I am not against people trying to better their lives, or in some cases, survive. The problem I do have is that we can't seem to figure out a viable solution to the problem and it is a problem. In actuality, the fix is fairly simple. Target those who hire them with prison terms and fines. Fix the work visa system. The problem I have with the entire thing is one side wants to throw them all out, the other does nothing but endlessly wring their hands and concoct reasons why it isn't a problem, and even if it was, why we can;t fix it.

tazzygirl -> RE: Fact-checking the claims about 'anchor babies' and whether illegal immigrants 'drop and leave (8/13/2010 10:29:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: juliaoceania quote: The greatest of those advantages may be the ability of the citizen child to later sponsor the legal immigration of his or her entire family permanently to this country, experts say. I love it when a news article says that[8\|] Yet, having kids here is about the slowest path to legal status that there is.... Here are the facts, the USA is no longer the golden land of opportunity it once was, and that is not because of immigrants. Immigrants have kept our country competitive.Foreign students out perform our own in math and science. Frankly we have a situation in which city governments are so broke they are ending bus service, unpaving their roads, and closing libraries... honestly, if it gets worse we might be illegally immigrating for opportunities ourselves. So your panic and hysteria, which is typical during an economic downtown such as we are experiencing, is really an overreaction, they are going to stop coming on their own because there is nothing for them here. An overreaction. Panic. Hysteria. Hmmm... i dont feel any of these things over this issue. But, i suppose my feelings that someone should actually WANT to be part of a country they are claiming citizenship of... nope... no panic there either. There are babies being born to the illegal poor in this country. There are also babies being born to the affluent illegals in this country as well... as your article and mine plainly pointed out.

juliaoceania -> RE: Fact-checking the claims about 'anchor babies' and whether illegal immigrants 'drop and leave (8/13/2010 10:34:49 AM)
The thing that gives me the impression that you are reactionary in your posts is that you do not seem interested in sustainable solutions to the problem, only in reiterating it and building walls, as if that will make it go away... A wall isn't going to stop rich people from getting visas so they can do what you outline in your article, yet I see nothing but unsustainable solutions from you. And BTW, changing the constitution isn't going to happen. More people are against it than for it, so advocating changing the constitution is like advocating for an Act of God to stop illegal immigration, even if 75% of the people agreed with you it is a time consuming process full of pitfalls and problems

juliaoceania -> RE: Fact-checking the claims about 'anchor babies' and whether illegal immigrants 'drop and leave (8/13/2010 10:40:56 AM)
quote: Bullshit. Fences aren't built along the Canadian border because millions of Canadians aren't flooding the country. In fact, Canada probably has to worry more about illegal immigration from the US than vice-versa. I worked there for 5 years and carried a Canadian work permit. I had to go through immigration each time, stand in line for hours sometimes, produce my documentation, provide a copy of some nafta letter, pay my fee. A friend of mine who does the same work, didn't want to bother with getting the work permit, lied about the reason she was entering the country, was caught and banned for a year. The legal ramifications at the time included 10 years in prison and a rather large fine. This has nothing to do with their fucking skin color. It has a lot to do with the en masse invasion. I am, by far, not against people south of the border coming to the US to work. I am not against people trying to better their lives, or in some cases, survive. The problem I do have is that we can't seem to figure out a viable solution to the problem and it is a problem. In actuality, the fix is fairly simple. Target those who hire them with prison terms and fines. Fix the work visa system. The problem I have with the entire thing is one side wants to throw them all out, the other does nothing but endlessly wring their hands and concoct reasons why it isn't a problem, and even if it was, why we can;t fix it. I find it amusing how you ignored my ways of fixing the problem.... which are more rational than yours when you get right down to it. One addresses the problem at its root, the other just patches the hole temporarily until another leak springs up....

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