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RE: they want ANOTHER baby? - 8/14/2010 7:38:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		if she's home schooling the kids, she's likely to know them a lot better than many mum's who have to work outside the home these days.

they're getting some spiritual instruction - morals and ethics, no matter how one sided they are. a quick poll of my children's friends would show they don't know what the inside of a church is, they don't know basic ethics, they don't know how to meditate, they don't know the meaning behind many of the holidays they celebrate, they don't know what a father's love is because they've never met their father's or their father's abused them and left their mother's when they were hardly more than toddlers.

yes, it will be a health risk for her to have more children, likely. but how many of us have decided that our desire for more children is more than our concern for our own well-being? i was a high risk pregnancy (for pre-eclampsia) with my first child, and my 2nd pregnancy was watched very closely. do you think with 19 other children to love and care for still that she would not have thought her stand through, holly?

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RE: they want ANOTHER baby? - 8/14/2010 7:41:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am not flaming, but there are many mothers that get pregnant at advanced ages, 40 plus, that are taking risks with their health, the health of their unborn child and they may well end up not raising their kids if their health fails.... I mean Kelly Preston just got prego with twins at 47... Look at High Hefner and Larry King! I am not judging them, even though I wouldn't make the same choice

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RE: they want ANOTHER baby? - 8/14/2010 7:46:39 PM   
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When will these people realize that the vagina is NOT a clown car?


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Many homosexuals refer to heterosexuals as "breeders" to denigrate them, and try to lower them to the level of animals.

Human beings are not "bred." Dogs, cats, cattle, etc, are "bred." Human infants are "babies." No other animal has that term. PERIOD.

My God, how utterly depraved to misdescribe human beings and animals in this fashion.


Gay people can and do have children of their own.  As overpopulated as the world is, I don't think it's far off the mark to call people breeders, we're breeding more than any other species on the planet and going beyond carrying capacity.  Human beings need to STOP having babies, or at least limit your baby consumption to just one and adopt the rest.


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RE: they want ANOTHER baby? - 8/14/2010 7:56:03 PM   
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RE: they want ANOTHER baby? - 8/14/2010 7:56:37 PM   
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Human beings need to STOP having babies, or at least limit your baby consumption to just one and adopt the rest.
I don't agree with this. I think large loving families are awesome....but 20 kids is pushing it 

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RE: they want ANOTHER baby? - 8/14/2010 7:58:44 PM   
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Just because some people have 19 children, doesnt mean that I dont need have 3 or 4. If I stop at 1, fine. If I never have children, fine! But I will not go "overboard".

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RE: they want ANOTHER baby? - 8/14/2010 8:03:31 PM   
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RE: they want ANOTHER baby? - 8/14/2010 8:06:45 PM   
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I have to agree with Holly.

Just because some people have 19 children, doesnt mean that I dont need have 3 or 4. If I stop at 1, fine. If I never have children, fine! But I will not go "overboard".
hell Kyttyn...if i told Jim i wanted 19 kids, i would find my ass overboard.....

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RE: they want ANOTHER baby? - 8/14/2010 8:10:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have to say, in my opinion there comes a time when ya just have to say whoa! on the having babies. I mean I believe to each their own, but like someone else said, I think a lot of the parenting is coming from the older children. I'm the oldest of three and of course, I did help out with the younger kids, but 'help' being the key word. I have to wonder where the actual parents have the energy much less the time to actually spend quality one on one time with their children versus everybody just sorta being yanked up by the hair of the head. (Sorry for those who are confused by this comment. I'm a country girl from the south).

I have one child that I gave birth to, have influenced and helped raise a whole bunch more. Difference being, I was only completely financially responsible for the one. And that was/is enough for me.

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RE: they want ANOTHER baby? - 8/14/2010 8:26:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		First...I have to wonder if her husband even feels anything anymore during sex. Is there an echo?
Second...This is just excessive. There is already an over population of people on the planet. They are replacing themselves literally 10 times over.
Thirdly...Im all for home schooling and instilling a sense of morality into your kids. At least they will be literate when they graduate.
Fourth...How the hell are they going to send all these to college?
Fifth...If their kid or next kid is handicapped because of her already worn out uterus, age or other complications, how are they going to handle that? Are they going to suck off the system because they chose to not listen to common sense?

I mean really..this is a bit much even for "true believers". I think they need to read beyond the passage in the bible that says "be fruitful and prosper."

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RE: they want ANOTHER baby? - 8/14/2010 8:54:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well they can afford it. I am sure that show pays them pretty good to be the latest example of freakdom. Older kids raising younger ones is not so unusual either, happens all the time even in mid sized families. But, how come no one is thinking of the environmental impact? Are they living green? Will those 19 kids have 19 of their own because that is the norm they grew to expect? I don't understand why we as people are so fascinated by these things, or why the media promotes these ideals.

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RE: they want ANOTHER baby? - 8/14/2010 8:55:46 PM   
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I don't agree with this. I think large loving families are awesome....but 20 kids is pushing it


They're awesome until you go beyond the carrying capacity of the surrounding environment. 


  • Food is necessary for human existence.
  • Human population, if not checked, tends to grow faster than the power in the earth to produce subsistence.
  • The effects of these two unequal powers must be kept equal.
  • Misery is the mechanism that balances human requirements and available resources.
  • Nature's requirement that the imbalance between demand and supply be resolved forms the "strongest obstacle in the way of any very great improvement of society," and thus makes "the perfectibility of man and society" a theoretical and practical impossibility.
  • The Principle of Population, i.e., the inevitability of misery due to the power of population to overwhelm resources, provides the mainspring behind the advance of human civilization by creating incentives for progress.
Malthus Principles

The idea of a large loving family is very romantic, however, it's not realistic.  At one time, it may have been, but I don't see how it's possible now, especially when overpopulation is such a dire global problem which causes famine, illness, and war.


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RE: they want ANOTHER baby? - 8/14/2010 9:00:27 PM   
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RE: they want ANOTHER baby? - 8/14/2010 9:08:34 PM   
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I have to agree with Holly.

Just because some people have 19 children, doesnt mean that I dont need have 3 or 4. If I stop at 1, fine. If I never have children, fine! But I will not go "overboard".
hell Kyttyn...if i told Jim i wanted 19 kids, i would find my ass overboard.....


Or He could just give you some of your infamous meatloaf...That seems to work, eh? lol

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RE: they want ANOTHER baby? - 8/14/2010 9:15:57 PM   
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I don't agree with this. I think large loving families are awesome....but 20 kids is pushing it


They're awesome until you go beyond the carrying capacity of the surrounding environment. 

  • Food is necessary for human existence.
  • Human population, if not checked, tends to grow faster than the power in the earth to produce subsistence.
  • The effects of these two unequal powers must be kept equal.
  • Misery is the mechanism that balances human requirements and available resources.
  • Nature's requirement that the imbalance between demand and supply be resolved forms the "strongest obstacle in the way of any very great improvement of society," and thus makes "the perfectibility of man and society" a theoretical and practical impossibility.
  • The Principle of Population, i.e., the inevitability of misery due to the power of population to overwhelm resources, provides the mainspring behind the advance of human civilization by creating incentives for progress.
Malthus Principles

The idea of a large loving family is very romantic, however, it's not realistic.  At one time, it may have been, but I don't see how it's possible now, especially when overpopulation is such a dire global problem which causes famine, illness, and war.



Exactly. 'nuff said. and at the risk of expressing my anger at the pure unadulterated Wonder Bread idiocy of these ppl (ok, the heck with it; I'm gonna come right out and say that these self-righteous gigaXtian morons make me sick. Normally, I would say it's none of my damn business what anyone else does, and it would be exactly true. On the other hand, we all have to live here together on this planet, and hopefully the generations to come after us - but with no place else to go, and every other intelligent and thoughtful option available, I would say that their right to help overpopulate an already overpopulated, sadly overtaxed and nearly ruined planet is not, in fact, their right.
The planet is not theirs. It's not mine, either. It's everyone's. 
And after they almost lost the last baby girl.. I mean honestly, just because you -CAN- do something, doesn't necessarily mean that you -should-.
And because I am already angry at these idjits and would like to go right on ahead and be spiteful, I have to wonder 1) when the hell they get time alone to make the next baby with that many kids in the house, and 2) if screwing Michelle after 19 babies isn't something like shooting a pea down a traffic tunnel. Yes it's mean, but they're stupid and that's worse.)




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RE: they want ANOTHER baby? - 8/14/2010 9:17:31 PM   
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The grossest part is that she said whether she has another baby or not 'is out of her hands' . . . . and her sons grow up thinking women are supposed to be treated this way.


She wasn't talking about it being out of her hands because a man is involved in the decision to have more. She was talking about it being out of her hands because it's what God chooses and her belief system doesn't involve birth control.

It's out of her hands because it's God's choice, not her's. Her sons grow up to believing in a loving fatherly God who chooses what is best for us.

I personally like the Duggars and think they have a strong loving family with strong and good values and morals.


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RE: they want ANOTHER baby? - 8/14/2010 9:19:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		I found this line amazing: "That was the scariest part for me, having the full responsibility of her care on my shoulders ... It was intimidating."

Who did she think would have the responsibility?

Her children, if they remain quiverful, will have as many kids as they can.

BTW, here's a blog by a few women who left the quiverful movement: http://nolongerquivering.com/


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RE: they want ANOTHER baby? - 8/14/2010 9:22:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		..has no one explained the pyramid rule to these people? This family is on it's way to being it's own country..

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RE: they want ANOTHER baby? - 8/14/2010 9:41:24 PM   
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I found this line amazing: "That was the scariest part for me, having the full responsibility of her care on my shoulders ... It was intimidating."

Who did she think would have the responsibility?

Her children, if they remain quiverful, will have as many kids as they can.

BTW, here's a blog by a few women who left the quiverful movement: http://nolongerquivering.com/



I've never heard of this, so I looked it up.  This is what I found.

The new way of saying, "I'm better than you."  Huh?






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RE: they want ANOTHER baby? - 8/14/2010 10:00:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		They all look clothed, fed and happy. And at this point at least one or two of the children must be legally adults by now, and a couple more of them must be a year or two away from the age of adulthood.

I have no idea how they feed that many kids....hell....2 large loaves of bread for lunch every day. Six chickens in the oven for dinner? Sure sounds a bit insane, but as long as they're not popping out kids and looking for gov't handouts, I say go for it.

Would I ever do it? No way. One was the perfect number for me, but some people enjoy large families. And who is to say what the "cut off" number should be? 8, 10, 12 kids? Like I said, by the time you're on kid number 20, several of the others are already adults, or soon-to-be adults anyway. Christ, at that rate, there's gotta be at least one kid per year reaching the age of adulthood, so techinically it's not really like they're actually raising 20 kids all at the same time. They're all just living as one big happy family, and every year or two, another one of them turns 18, learns to drive, goes to work and/or starts college.

As far as being high-risk in her 40's. Plenty of women take that risk for what they believe in and what they hope for or what they want. Doesn't matter if it's kid number one or kid number 20, it's a very personal, and I'm sure (difficult) decision that many women make. What if she dies and leaves one motherless, 3 motherless or 20 motherless? At least they would still have their father, and their adult siblings to help carry the load.

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