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ORIGINAL: Tantriqu

The grossest part is that she said whether she has another baby or not 'is out of her hands' . . . . and her sons grow up thinking women are supposed to be treated this way.

She wasn't talking about it being out of her hands because a man is involved in the decision to have more. She was talking about it being out of her hands because it's what God chooses and her belief system doesn't involve birth control.

It's out of her hands because it's God's choice, not her's. Her sons grow up to believing in a loving fatherly God who chooses what is best for us.

I personally like the Duggars and think they have a strong loving family with strong and good values and morals.

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ORIGINAL: marie2

They all look clothed, fed and happy. And at this point at least one or two of the children must be legally adults by now, and a couple more of them must be a year or two away from the age of adulthood.

I have no idea how they feed that many kids....hell....2 large loaves of bread for lunch every day. Six chickens in the oven for dinner? Sure sounds a bit insane, but as long as they're not popping out kids and looking for gov't handouts, I say go for it.

Would I ever do it? No way. One was the perfect number for me, but some people enjoy large families. And who is to say what the "cut off" number should be? 8, 10, 12 kids? Like I said, by the time you're on kid number 20, several of the others are already adults, or soon-to-be adults anyway. Christ, at that rate, there's gotta be at least one kid per year reaching the age of adulthood, so techinically it's not really like they're actually raising 20 kids all at the same time. They're all just living as one big happy family, and every year or two, another one of them turns 18, learns to drive, goes to work and/or starts college.

As far as being high-risk in her 40's. Plenty of women take that risk for what they believe in and what they hope for or what they want. Doesn't matter if it's kid number one or kid number 20, it's a very personal, and I'm sure (difficult) decision that many women make. What if she dies and leaves one motherless, 3 motherless or 20 motherless? At least they would still have their father, and their adult siblings to help carry the load.

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ORIGINAL: thornhappy

The number of kids can be seen as being "holier than thou", kind of like folks who take pride in how many verses they can remember.

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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For me this isn't all that unusual..it's actually pretty common where I grew up.

My mom was the youngest of 11 and my dad the middle child of 5, it is not something modern people usually do, but hell, as long as I am not paying for it what do I care

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ORIGINAL: thornhappy

I found this line amazing: "That was the scariest part for me, having the full responsibility of her care on my shoulders ... It was intimidating."

Who did she think would have the responsibility?

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ORIGINAL: SassySouthrnLady

I have to say, in my opinion there comes a time when ya just have to say whoa! on the having babies. I mean I believe to each their own, but like someone else said, I think a lot of the parenting is coming from the older children. I'm the oldest of three and of course, I did help out with the younger kids, but 'help' being the key word. I have to wonder where the actual parents have the energy much less the time to actually spend quality one on one time with their children

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ORIGINAL: Tantriqu

The grossest part is that she said whether she has another baby or not 'is out of her hands' . . . .

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ORIGINAL: sirsholly

My thoughts...Dad needs neutered or Mom needs tied. There is a 25% higher risk for Mom to have an eclamptic pregnancy after the first occurrence. They are risking leaving 19 without a mother? Flame away...but these two are self-centered and have no right to risk leaving those kids without their mom.

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how many of us have decided that our desire for more children is more than our concern for our own well-being? i was a high risk pregnancy (for pre-eclampsia) with my first child, and my 2nd pregnancy was watched very closely. do you think with 19 other children to love and care for still that she would not have thought her stand through, holly?

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am not flaming, but there are many mothers that get pregnant at advanced ages, 40 plus, that are taking risks with their health, the health of their unborn child and they may well end up not raising their kids if their health fails.... Look at High Hefner and Larry King!

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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

I am not a breeder, but I AM a great advocate for children, and the way the media glamorizes octomom and families like this one absolutely repulses me.

I am ABSOLUTELY REPULSED by referring to a human being as a "breeder," while others have been elevating puppies and kittens to the status of "BABIES." Many homosexuals refer to heterosexuals as "breeders" to denigrate them, and try to lower them to the level of animals.

Human beings are not "bred." Dogs, cats, cattle, etc, are "bred." Human infants are "babies." No other animal has that term. PERIOD.

My God, how utterly depraved to misdescribe human beings and animals in this fashion.

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ORIGINAL: MMercurial

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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Many homosexuals refer to heterosexuals as "breeders" to lower them to the level of animals.

The only people I have ever heard use the term breeder has been straight and it wasn't used as a slam. I've never heard it used to lower someone to the level of animals before. Not sure where you got this from?

I don't recall. But use google with the following search terms: homosexual breeders heterosexuals, and one of the first entries is - - - -

Breeder (slang)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaJump to: navigation, search
Breeder is a term of disparagement used primarily by homosexuals to describe heterosexuals who have produced or will produce offspring.

The use in homosexual groups is drawn from the fact that their sexual activity cannot lead to reproduction, whereas heterosexual sexual intercourse can, with implicit mocking by connotation of animal husbandry, the original usage of the word.[1][2]

"Breeder" can be used as a derogatory term by childfree people of any sexual orientation to refer to parents who focus on their children and abandon their previous friends and lifestyle, or to women who give birth to many children. The phrases "breeder, not parent" (BNP) or "parent, not breeder" (PNB) are used by some childfree communities to differentiate between what they regard as positive and negative parenting.[3]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breeder_(slang)

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ORIGINAL: marie2

They all look clothed, fed and happy. And at this point at least one or two of the children must be legally adults by now, and a couple more of them must be a year or two away from the age of adulthood.

I have no idea how they feed that many kids....hell....2 large loaves of bread for lunch every day. Six chickens in the oven for dinner? Sure sounds a bit insane, but as long as they're not popping out kids and looking for gov't handouts, I say go for it.

Would I ever do it? No way. One was the perfect number for me, but some people enjoy large families. And who is to say what the "cut off" number should be? 8, 10, 12 kids? Like I said, by the time you're on kid number 20, several of the others are already adults, or soon-to-be adults anyway. Christ, at that rate, there's gotta be at least one kid per year reaching the age of adulthood, so techinically it's not really like they're actually raising 20 kids all at the same time. They're all just living as one big happy family, and every year or two, another one of them turns 18, learns to drive, goes to work and/or starts college.

As far as being high-risk in her 40's. Plenty of women take that risk for what they believe in and what they hope for or what they want. Doesn't matter if it's kid number one or kid number 20, it's a very personal, and I'm sure (difficult) decision that many women make. What if she dies and leaves one motherless, 3 motherless or 20 motherless? At least they would still have their father, and their adult siblings to help carry the load.

You fail to acknowledge the problem of overpopulation.  What about the other inhabitants of this planet?  Is it ok to just populate the earth with my species at the expense of other creatures?  Never mind the fact that the environment depends on all the creatures that are here in order to function and be a life supporting planet. 

We also put others in danger, danger of famine, disease, and warfare, when we choose to overpopulate without regard for the other creatures here. 

For those that want large families, guess what?  We already have a large family, the family that resides on this planet and we need to learn to live together, because we really can't live without each other.  And I'm referring to all species, not just one.

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ORIGINAL: MMercurial

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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

I am not a breeder, but I AM a great advocate for children, and the way the media glamorizes octomom and families like this one absolutely repulses me.

I am ABSOLUTELY REPULSED by referring to a human being as a "breeder," while others have been elevating puppies and kittens to the status of "BABIES." Many homosexuals refer to heterosexuals as "breeders" to denigrate them, and try to lower them to the level of animals.

Human beings are not "bred." Dogs, cats, cattle, etc, are "bred." Human infants are "babies." No other animal has that term. PERIOD.

My God, how utterly depraved to misdescribe human beings and animals in this fashion.

What's wrong with referring to people that breed as breeders, for that is what they are doing, just like the rest of animal kind. I don't care about so called slurs and derogatory meanings attributed to various sub sections of society, but what I care about is calling something what it is; male and female of a species come together and copulate, the end result is  offspring, the same with humans as it is with animals, they breed.

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ORIGINAL: sirsholly
Am i the only one that thinks there is something seriously wrong with these two?

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As in, I get tired of the way christians are always looking to show how they are better than everyone else.

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ORIGINAL: sirsholly
Am i the only one that thinks there is something seriously wrong with these two?

Am I the only one who thinks that as long as they can support their brood (and seemingly they can) that it is none of your freaking business?

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ORIGINAL: DarlingSavage

You fail to acknowledge the problem of overpopulation.  What about the other inhabitants of this planet?  Is it ok to just populate the earth with my species at the expense of other creatures?  Never mind the fact that the environment depends on all the creatures that are here in order to function and be a life supporting planet. 

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how many of us have decided that our desire for more children is more than our concern for our own well-being? i was a high risk pregnancy (for pre-eclampsia) with my first child, and my 2nd pregnancy was watched very closely. do you think with 19 other children to love and care for still that she would not have thought her stand through, holly?

it does not sound as if she has, AngelEyes...at least not to me. You were high risk, yet you chose to have a second baby. Your CHOICE, as opposed to the "out of our hands" attitude as per Michelle Dugger.