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Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal - 8/31/2010 5:32:36 PM   
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Iraqi forces are now in charge.

Obama's words about Bush were dead on.

Your thoughts?

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RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal - 8/31/2010 5:43:49 PM   
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It is reported many want the Americans to stay as threat from others is still felt, this threat escalates and becomes more, the recriminations might infect the US, a case of yet more accusations of a unfinished job. But if it was not for the public outcry to bring the boys back home, would there be a date for withdrawal.

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RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal - 8/31/2010 5:47:17 PM   
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And I will be happier when the rest are back amongst their loved ones



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RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal - 8/31/2010 5:57:14 PM   
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Why does such an amazing orator suck at it so badly now? I may go read a transcript later, but I damn near fell asleep at the wheel listening to the speech on the way home. Thank God I missed the first few minutes, or it could have been bad.



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RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal - 8/31/2010 6:05:54 PM   
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RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal - 8/31/2010 6:18:57 PM   
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Why does such an amazing orator suck at it so badly now? I may go read a transcript later, but I damn near fell asleep at the wheel listening to the speech on the way home. Thank God I missed the first few minutes, or it could have been bad.




This.

I found the speech to be stilted and choppy with no sign of the energy and animation that I have come to associate with Pres. Obama. 

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RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal - 8/31/2010 6:33:51 PM   
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I feel the same way listening to Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh.

I think Obama's depressed because Democrats are going to get their butts kicked in November. Chris Matthews said that Republicans have a 10 point lead to take back Congress which translates into 60 seats.


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Why does such an amazing orator suck at it so badly now? I may go read a transcript later, but I damn near fell asleep at the wheel listening to the speech on the way home. Thank God I missed the first few minutes, or it could have been bad.




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RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal - 8/31/2010 6:36:27 PM   
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Chris Matthews said that Republicans have a 10 point lead to take back Congress which translates into 60 seats.





So the tingling has moved from his leg to his arm, huh?

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RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal - 8/31/2010 6:38:57 PM   
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RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal - 8/31/2010 6:40:40 PM   
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It's about time the war is over. I think the Iraqis have a lot of nerve expecting America to stay in the country after all the money and lives that have been spent. Even if it means civil war the United States has to leave Iraq.

I didn't like his red tie. The fact that he's wearing a red tie means to me is not concentrating on his base. He's more interested in Wall Street and being bipartisan.

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The combat mission is over.

Iraqi forces are now in charge.

Obama's words about Bush were dead on.

Your thoughts?


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RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal - 8/31/2010 6:46:53 PM   
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RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal - 8/31/2010 6:51:38 PM   
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RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal - 8/31/2010 7:00:06 PM   
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It's about time the war is over. I think the Iraqis have a lot of nerve expecting America to stay in the country after all the money and lives that have been spent. Even if it means civil war the United States has to leave Iraq.



H'mmm, I wonder did the Iraqi's invite the US Army to come and demolish their infrastructure. Removing a tyrant and neutralising any possibility of wmd's is one thing, but destroying anything that made them anywhere near twentieth century was not necessary, yet it was done. The money spent is only fair for more or less blasting the Iraqi people back to more or less the stone age, as to the lives spent, though they are regrettable, they are expendable by virtue of being in the armed forces in time of conflict and those that gained, do they really care, or are they just forming the words to be politically correct.

I only hope for all the money spent and blood spilled it was worth it and the rest of the world let alone the US can now be confident there is one less unknown quantity in the area that feeds the world with the oil it needs to survive and ensures it's political stability.

If a civil war is left in Iraq, it might have all been for nothing, for the sureties gained might be swept away with the turn of a new leader.

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RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal - 8/31/2010 7:01:04 PM   
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RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal - 8/31/2010 7:01:13 PM   
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Obama seemed to forget that he was dead set against the surge in Iraq. The surge worked but he also forgot to give any credit to the president who presided him who was responsible for the surge. That speech was a joke.


He forgot he didnt like the idea??

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As we do, I am mindful that the Iraq War has been a contentious issue at home. Here, too, it is time to turn the page. This afternoon, I spoke to former President George W. Bush. It's well known that he and I disagreed about the war from its outset.


Hmm.. seems he did remember.

Yet, he gave Bush no credit whatsoever?

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Yet no one could doubt President Bush's support for our troops, or his love of country and commitment to our security. As I have said, there were patriots who supported this war, and patriots who opposed it. And all of us are united in appreciation for our servicemen and women, and our hope for Iraq's future.


http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/08/obamas-iraq-speech-no-mission.html?hpid=topnews

Not quite sure what you were listening too.



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RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal - 8/31/2010 7:07:22 PM   
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Brain you said.....
I think the Iraqis have a lot of nerve expecting America to stay in the country after all the money and lives that have been spent.
I think you lost the plot somewhere dear chap, cos that comment is newtshit crazy


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RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal - 8/31/2010 7:07:53 PM   
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RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal - 8/31/2010 7:09:10 PM   
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It's irrelevant whether they were invited or not. The United States is not obligated to stay in that country. The Americans have spent double or triple the money to restore anything that was destroyed by the war. And Bush declared Mission accomplished quickly so not much of Iraq was destroyed at that time. Iraqis destroyed their own country after the George Bush declared Mission accomplished.

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H'mmm, I wonder did the Iraqi's invite the US Army to come and demolish their infrastructure. Removing a tyrant and neutralising any possibility of wmd's is one thing, but destroying anything that made them anywhere near twentieth century was not necessary, yet it was done. The money spent is only fair for more or less blasting the Iraqi people back to more or less the stone age, as to the lives spent, though they are regrettable, they are expendable by virtue of being in the armed forces in time of conflict and those that gained, do they really care, or are they just forming the words to be politically correct.

I only hope for all the money spent and blood spilled it was worth it and the rest of the world let alone the US can now be confident there is one less unknown quantity in the area that feeds the world with the oil it needs to survive and ensures it's political stability.

If a civil war is left in Iraq, it might have all been for nothing, for the sureties gained might be swept away with the turn of a new leader.

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RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal - 8/31/2010 7:12:34 PM   
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I feel the same way listening to Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh.



You're going to damage your brain listening to that shit, go rent a Disney movie and find your happy place before you get an ulcer.

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I think Obama's depressed because Democrats are going to get their butts kicked in November. Chris Matthews said that Republicans have a 10 point lead to take back Congress which translates into 60 seats.


It ain't over til the fat lady sings

Oh yea, and about the war, Awesome news


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RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal - 8/31/2010 7:12:38 PM   
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Obama seemed to forget that he was dead set against the surge in Iraq. The surge worked but he also forgot to give any credit to the president who presided him who was responsible for the surge. That speech was a joke.


Yeah the surge worked just beautifully, peace and prosperity has returned after his heroic liberation of the Iraqis.


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