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RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal - 8/31/2010 9:33:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		WASHINGTON — The White House says there are two words President Barack Obama will not say Tuesday night in his speech about the end of the U.S. combat role in Iraq: "Mission accomplished."

Seven years ago, President George W. Bush stood on an aircraft carrier to declare an end to major combat operations in Iraq. A banner proclaiming "Mission Accomplished" flew nearby. The Bush White House came to deeply regret that sign as the war dragged on and U.S. deaths mounted.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38922580/ns/politics-white_house/

I dont ever believe it was the intention to win this after it was discovered there were no WMDs there.

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RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal - 8/31/2010 9:57:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Voted against the surge, voted against funding the troops, but Biden will declare it as a victory for the Obama administration. Obama used the Oval Office to make a speech that said next to nothing except that whatever allies we have in Afghanistan can count on the Taliban cutting their fucking heads off in a year. Get out of A-stan now and save some of the lives you put in jepoardy tonight.

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RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal - 8/31/2010 10:16:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Obama did just what he said he would do... get out of Iraq by the end of August.. and still you arent happy.

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RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal - 8/31/2010 10:22:06 PM   
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Why dont you ask a few of them, face to face, what they wanted in a way of a victory party.



Tread careful, Tazzy. Two of my brothers, several cousins, and a pending sister-in-law all served over there. I've seen them react when a sonic boom hits my house.

They don't need to hear a beautifully written speech their Commander in Chief can't be bothered to deliver well, that essentially comes down to, "you poor thing., you did the very best you could, but don't worry, we'll take care of you now."

If we are going to be sending our young people into a meatgrinder, it would be nice of their CIC to actually say he wants them to win the war, he is sending them to fight.

Seems to me your beef is then with the one who sent them and didn't try to win not the one who was left to clean up the mess.

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RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal - 9/1/2010 3:34:57 AM   
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Perhaps thats why Obama acted so depressed last night, hes terribly upset that Iraqi people have their freedom despite all the best efforts of the Democratic party to prevent that from happening.


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I dont ever believe it was the intention to win this after it was discovered there were no WMDs there.


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RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal - 9/1/2010 5:10:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Assumptions are a terrible thing to waste, Sanity.

Dont you ever get tired of acting like a 45?

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RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal - 9/1/2010 5:27:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		I just see too many parallels between Obama's announcement that we are done with combat in Iraq and Dubya's "mission accomplished" banner. Wasnt true then. I have a feeling it isnt true now.

I AM hoping for the best however.

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RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal - 9/1/2010 5:31:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		The Mission Accomplished was followed by 7 years of more fighting.

I, for one, am glad these troops are out. Some headed home. Some headed for Afghanistan. Another deadline set to begin withdrawal from there. At least our troops and families at home see an end in sight.

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RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal - 9/1/2010 5:59:10 AM   
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Ive gotta admit, I havent seen anyone try to play the "how dare you talk politics in this section" card for a while...



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There is no denial, sweetcheeks.

I was extremely curious as to who would make this into a political debate... or a political stab... first. Seems you and Heritic win.

Shame neither of you could first say.... Welcome Home... to the troops before starting your political spins.


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RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal - 9/1/2010 6:00:56 AM   
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RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal - 9/1/2010 8:24:21 AM   
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Obama seemed to forget that he was dead set against the surge in Iraq. The surge worked but he also forgot to give any credit to the president who presided him who was responsible for the surge. That speech was a joke.


Yeah the surge worked just beautifully, peace and prosperity has returned after his heroic liberation of the Iraqis.


2 Bombings in Iraq Kill, Injure Scores as Security Concerns 
Aug 17, 2010 ... 2 Bombings in Iraq Kill, Injure Scores as Security Concerns Persist.


Police: 2 guards killed in Iraq court bombing - USATODAY.com
Aug 18, 2010 ... Iraqi officials say two security guards have been killed by a bomb that exploded near a court building in Saddam Hussein's hometown



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Most sources and analysts credit the surge for turning the situation around in Iraq. The number of bombings and attacks dropped significantly in the months that followed. What you are seeing now is a surge in attacks as we are exiting the combat role.

Many sources and analysts will also tell you that right now isn't a great time to be exiting that role. Many Iraqis will support that stance. I can't say I'm of agreement. I think I would have exited the day Saddam's statue was toppled. Then again, I don';t think I would have been there in the first place.

Either way, the surge was effective. Obama is copying that same strategy in Afghanistan. He was dead on in saying too that sooner or later, the responsibility lies on the people of those two countries.


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RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal - 9/1/2010 8:24:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am with Tazzy and am glad to see the combat troops out.  Those on the right can call it a Bush victory.  Obama didn't deny he and Bush didn't agree on matter of that war.  Personally, I don't think its a victory at all.  Who did we win against??  As Tazzy said, aren't we just glad to finally be coming out of there?

And Heretic, I have a friend who is shell-shocked from VietNam.  Those are the unfortunate consequences of ALL wars. 


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RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal - 9/1/2010 9:45:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		I see all the right-leaning posters commenting about how Obama should have given Bush more credit. Credit for WHAT? What did this war accomplish? Don't tell me you still believe that we went into Iraq in order to topple a dictator... This was one of the most shameful wars in modern history.

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RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal - 9/1/2010 9:53:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Obama gave Bush lots of credit... far more than many believe he deserves.

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RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal - 9/1/2010 2:23:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Tazzy, so you are saying Obama was lying about Bush?

Or that Obama is stupid/Delusional?

Or?


"Yet no one could doubt President Bush's support for our troops, or his love of country and commitment to our security. As I have said, there were patriots who supported this war, and patriots who opposed it." Barak Obama


Yet, I saw a lot of doubt of those things here in this Chatroom, by Obama supporters. By the same people praising the speech.




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RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal - 9/1/2010 4:08:27 PM   
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Obama did just what he said he would do... get out of Iraq by the end of August.. and still you arent happy.


Who said Im not happy about Iraq? I have always said that he would have no choice but to follow Bush's strategy and exit only when the generals on the ground said it was time and it appears he did just that. If he was actually advised not to withdraw and ignored it, no skin off his back, he'll be out of office by the time we are likely to have the political will to re-enter.

Likewise I have always said that neither Bush nor Obama should attempt a ground war/counter insurgency strategy in A-stan, so obviously Im not happy that he is commiting more lives to an unwinnable strategy.

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RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal - 9/1/2010 5:52:53 PM   
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The Mission Accomplished was followed by 7 years of more fighting.

I, for one, am glad these troops are out. Some headed home. Some headed for Afghanistan. Another deadline set to begin withdrawal from there. At least our troops and families at home see an end in sight.


I wonder about all those that have fought overseas now returned home to watch how the thing continues, I wonder how they think, and what do they think. They have been there on the battle front, felt the fear and did their best as they were trained, but I wonder what goes through their mind now, was the action a right action or a wrong action.

Are these people glad they were used for whatever aim, or angry at the abuse they received from those they are trained to trust.

The people I would be more prepared to listen to on this topic, are the people that have been there, not the ass hole politicians who failed in the first place thus needing the action of force.

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RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal - 9/1/2010 6:21:39 PM   
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I see all the right-leaning posters commenting about how Obama should have given Bush more credit.


I've commented twice on this thread and I didn't mention Bush. Are you sure you even know who the right leaning posters are?


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RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal - 9/1/2010 6:43:55 PM   
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I see all the right-leaning posters commenting about how Obama should have given Bush more credit.


I've commented twice on this thread and I didn't mention Bush. Are you sure you even know who the right leaning posters are?




Yeah. I'm pretty sure I'm one of them, and my comment about Bush II was that President Obama had nice words for him. Perhaps LAM missed it, but Tazzy specifically raised that individual in her pithy OP.

LAM, if you see ALL the right-leaning posters railing on Obama about not saying more on Bush, maybe it's time for the eye exam.

What I see is a hell of a lot of people who don't want to talk about why the President they helped elect gave such a sorry ass performance. I'd love to hear those theories.

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RE: Obama on the Iraqi Withdrawal - 9/1/2010 8:46:47 PM   
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I see all the right-leaning posters commenting about how Obama should have given Bush more credit. Credit for WHAT? What did this war accomplish? Don't tell me you still believe that we went into Iraq in order to topple a dictator... This was one of the most shameful wars in modern history.




Withdrawing from Iraq now, is only eclipsed in stupidity by going to Iraq in the first place.

Anyone want to take bets that the power that steps up to the plate, will be far worse than Saddam ever was?


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