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RE: Gulf oil platform explodes, burning off La. coast - 9/2/2010 12:41:48 PM   
MasterCord


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ORIGINAL: BoiJen

Where's Sanity to say that this is a "terrorist attack" or "The Left trying to kill jobs in the area again!"? Come on! This couldn't possibly be a fuckin clue to start moving away from oil as our primary source of energy.

boi



Sure...to what? First of all wind energy is now being assailed because it is claimed there is an increasing body of evidence that blade-rate vibration/noise (..caused by turbine blades passing the supporting post...) can be harmful.

Ethanol? you mean the fuel that takes more energy to produce than it provides?

Natural Gas? Yes...a big possibility but it has to be drilled-for...or created/processed from things like oil shales...

SOLAR? ...zero chance of running large transportation vehicles such as ships or trains from SOLAR...

coal? ..... doesn't burn well in your car....or your home furnace.....but it does work in power plants...but you'll piss-off Al Gore.......

wood? ......we have lost enough forests worldwide.....and Al will get even MORE pissed...

fuel cells? ....sure...and who will pay for them?....look recently at the price per kw for even the most basic fuel cells?

.....fusion? .....yes...my grandkids' grandkids MAY have that option....

The reality is that there is no realistic replacement for oil, so we need to develop ways to use it more efficiently. As for accidents....they are going to happen. Perhaps this one WAS sabotage....no one knows right now....but if you look back at history and see how many "gushers" (...not THAT kind of gusher.... lol..) were the "norm" in the early days of oil exploration.....you might be thankful it is done as efficiently and safely as it is the world over. Think we just drill here? ...look at these........


http://www.offshore-mag.com/etc/medialib/platform-7/offshore/maps-and_posters.Par.81113.File.dat/BrazilMap2010-072810Ads.pdf

http://www.offshore-mag.com/etc/medialib/platform-7/offshore/maps-and_posters.Par.36859.File.dat/0110%20GOM%20OS%20Map-ADs.pdf

http://www.offshore-mag.com/etc/medialib/platform-7/offshore/maps-and_posters.Par.54488.File.dat/OWA-120409-APP.pdf

http://downloads.pennnet.com/os/posters/0811_westaustralia_110208out.pdf

http://downloads.pennnet.com/os/posters/2002_map12.pdf

You have plane crashes that take hundreds of lives....should we ban air travel? Tens of thousands of people die every year in auto accidents....should we ban cars and trucks? .... motorcycle accidents virtually assure injury.....so...ban them? ....people die from medical malpractice....should we ban medical treatment? Processed foods occasionally kill.....ban them? Cars , locomotives, trucks...worldwide leak oil and fluids in greater quantities than any other oil/chemical spill source....and they get into the aquifer and eventually some to sea...ban those vehicles? Discarded cigarette butts......are definitely litter.....so ...fine someone $500.00 every time they are caught discarding one? (I'm for that one....lol..)

I understand the emotion attached to these things....but emotion does not solve problems.

MC


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RE: Gulf oil platform explodes, burning off La. coast - 9/2/2010 12:43:21 PM   
AlwaysLisa


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Status: offline 		I hate having these thoughts..basically because I don't want them to ever come true, but with two oil platforms blowing up so close together, I wonder if anyone is looking into the possibility of sabatoge.    It could be bad timing, but it seems as if not long after Obama's speech about opening up offshore drilling, the BP platform went off, now this one, following very closely on the heels.

People were speculating in April, but I wonder if they are doing more then that now.

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RE: Gulf oil platform explodes, burning off La. coast - 9/2/2010 12:43:32 PM   
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The Gulf thats being discussed in this thread lies off the coast of the United States.

There are American jobs at stake, which has a Liberal ever seen an American job they would like to see the United States keep here?


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Are you THAT fucking ignorant that you dont realize what I was talking about?

A-R-A-B and I'm not talking about the city in Alabama that Henry Cho's wife is from.


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RE: Gulf oil platform explodes, burning off La. coast - 9/2/2010 12:46:16 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Im at work, you know, doing stuff that makes money n pays the bills and I dont have time to read breathless updates every 15 minutes.  According the the story at 1 eastern, the well wasnt in production.  I guess they lied.  what a concept.


Jesus man, calm the fuck down.

I wasn't attacking you.

I just said according to the AP the rig was in production, but these early reports often vary from source to source.  Even within the AP story there were discrepancies.

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RE: Gulf oil platform explodes, burning off La. coast - 9/2/2010 12:49:27 PM   
AlwaysLisa


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Status: offline 		Master Cord,

You forgot water.   We have the technology now, to run cars on various liquids, water included.   Why is it not being used?   Ask the fuel companies and auto makers.  

In the dark ages people were more afraid of angering the church, then the king...with us, here in this century, the auto makers and fuel companies have us all by the short and curlies.  

Lisa 

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RE: Gulf oil platform explodes, burning off La. coast - 9/2/2010 12:52:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MasterCord

Sure...to what? First of all wind energy is now being assailed because it is claimed there is an increasing body of evidence that blade-rate vibration/noise (..caused by turbine blades passing the supporting post...) can be harmful.

Ethanol? you mean the fuel that takes more energy to produce than it provides?

Natural Gas? Yes...a big possibility but it has to be drilled-for...or created/processed from things like oil shales...

SOLAR? ...zero chance of running large transportation vehicles such as ships or trains from SOLAR...

coal? ..... doesn't burn well in your car....or your home furnace.....but it does work in power plants...but you'll piss-off Al Gore.......

wood? ......we have lost enough forests worldwide.....and Al will get even MORE pissed...

fuel cells? ....sure...and who will pay for them?....look recently at the price per kw for even the most basic fuel cells?

.....fusion? .....yes...my grandkids' grandkids MAY have that option....

The reality is that there is no realistic replacement for oil, so we need to develop ways to use it more efficiently. As for accidents....they are going to happen. Perhaps this one WAS sabotage....no one knows right now....but if you look back at history and see how many "gushers" (...not THAT kind of gusher.... lol..) were the "norm" in the early days of oil exploration.....you might be thankful it is done as efficiently and safely as it is the world over. Think we just drill here? ...look at these........
You have plane crashes that take hundreds of lives....should we ban air travel? Tens of thousands of people die every year in auto accidents....should we ban cars and trucks? .... motorcycle accidents virtually assure injury.....so...ban them? ....people die from medical malpractice....should we ban medical treatment? Processed foods occasionally kill.....ban them? Cars , locomotives, trucks...worldwide leak oil and fluids in greater quantities than any other oil/chemical spill source....and they get into the aquifer and eventually some to sea...ban those vehicles? Discarded cigarette butts......are definitely litter.....so ...fine someone $500.00 every time they are caught discarding one? (I'm for that one....lol..)

I understand the emotion attached to these things....but emotion does not solve problems.

MC


Well said. Thank you for sharing such a calm and realistic response.

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RE: Gulf oil platform explodes, burning off La. coast - 9/2/2010 12:54:36 PM   
Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


The Gulf thats being discussed in this thread lies off the coast of the United States.

There are American jobs at stake, which has a Liberal ever seen an American job they would like to see the United States keep here?


quote:

ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam

Are you THAT fucking ignorant that you dont realize what I was talking about?

A-R-A-B and I'm not talking about the city in Alabama that Henry Cho's wife is from.



The energy sources in general is what you were talking about and dont dissemble.  Anyway, what roughneck wants to return the world to the 15th century?  You forgot that part of the post (conveniently).  As for American jobs, there are alternative energy companies in N Dakota BEGGING people to come up there and make good money.  (N Dakota is still part of the US last time I looked).  Lowest unemployment in the US (4.1% last I looked).
http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=usunemployment&met=unemployment_rate&idim=state:ST380000&dl=en&hl=en&q=north+dakota+unemployment

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RE: Gulf oil platform explodes, burning off La. coast - 9/2/2010 1:20:39 PM   
Sanity


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Plentiful jobs you say?

A lot of people depend on those jobs, and according to TIME Magazine the reason Obama has become Mr. Unpopular is a lack of jobs.

quote:

How Barack Obama Became Mr. Unpopular




...A couple of weeks back and a dozen miles west of Elkhart, hundreds gathered in another school gym — except this time it was for a job fair. With the local unemployment rate above 12% and rising again this summer, about a third of the employer display tables stood empty. Julie Griffin, who voted for Obama in '08, sat down at the room's edge, well dressed and discouraged. After 23 years as a payroll administrator at a local RV plant, she got laid off 18 months ago. "Really, what has he been doing?" she said when I asked about Obama's efforts to help people like her. "I guess I don't know what he is doing."

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,2015629,00.html#ixzz0yPCZiM6X


Now here we are looking over the Gulf coast, listening as leftists tell us how they want nothing more than to chase even more good paying American jobs away, right along with our affordable domestic energy production. And how many jobs dont require energy? What doesnt require energy...






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RE: Gulf oil platform explodes, burning off La. coast - 9/2/2010 1:34:07 PM   
Hillwilliam


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Status: offline 		Like I said.  N Dakota has unemployment of 4.1% as of June and is begging for folks to come up and work in energy related jobs.  When the Dust bowl and depression hit Oklahoma with a double whammy, thousands of folks pulled up stakes and went to California to work for peanuts but at least they were working because they were proud.  Now, people would rather sit at home, listen to their favorite person on the radio or TV telling them it isnt their fault and whine.

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RE: Gulf oil platform explodes, burning off La. coast - 9/2/2010 1:34:54 PM   
Sanity


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Unemployment rates in the Gulf Coast states, which are heavily reliant on domestic oil production:


http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=usunemployment&met=unemployment_rate&idim=state:ST380000&dl=en&hl=en&q=north+dakota+unemployment#met=unemployment_rate&idim=state:ST280000:ST010000:ST120000:ST220000:ST480000






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RE: Gulf oil platform explodes, burning off La. coast - 9/2/2010 1:49:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Getting kind of regular these oil related disasters, or is it just a case the US has been reasonably lucky up until the DeepWater Horizon disaster and there the US public eye became focused on the subject, because it is in their back yard not some other part of the world.


An interesting quotation;

"The problems of the world essentially are the problems of individuals. If individuals can change, then the course of the world can change. This is a hope worth sustaining." by Ray Darby P.E. (from the website http://www.theenergyguy.com/)

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RE: Gulf oil platform explodes, burning off La. coast - 9/2/2010 1:54:29 PM   
Hillwilliam


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Status: offline 		And, those who cant find a job there, go to N Dakota and work instead of laying around acting like a victim. 

I wonder how many of those unemployed on the Gulf coast are Fishermen or people who depend on tourism?

Just sayin

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RE: Gulf oil platform explodes, burning off La. coast - 9/2/2010 2:07:44 PM   
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Sure...to what? First of all wind energy is now being assailed because it is claimed there is an increasing body of evidence that blade-rate vibration/noise (..caused by turbine blades passing the supporting post...) can be harmful.

Ethanol? you mean the fuel that takes more energy to produce than it provides?

Natural Gas? Yes...a big possibility but it has to be drilled-for...or created/processed from things like oil shales...

SOLAR? ...zero chance of running large transportation vehicles such as ships or trains from SOLAR...

coal? ..... doesn't burn well in your car....or your home furnace.....but it does work in power plants...but you'll piss-off Al Gore.......

wood? ......we have lost enough forests worldwide.....and Al will get even MORE pissed...

fuel cells? ....sure...and who will pay for them?....look recently at the price per kw for even the most basic fuel cells?

.....fusion? .....yes...my grandkids' grandkids MAY have that option....

The reality is that there is no realistic replacement for oil,


No replacement as of yet but we don't have a choice..We're going to have to find it eventually. In the meantime..a combination of alternatives can and would take a larger load of the worlds power needs if it was implemented on a grand scale.

Oh btw here's an interesting link or two on large solar/wind powered ships.

I'm a firm believer, if man can dream it and has the tenacity to make it happen..He will succeed most times.

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/TECH/09/12/solar.ships/
http://observers.france24.com/en/content/20081120-solar-powered-tankers-ready-2010-sails-cargo



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RE: Gulf oil platform explodes, burning off La. coast - 9/2/2010 2:13:44 PM   
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Getting kind of regular these oil related disasters, or is it just a case the US has been reasonably lucky up until the DeepWater Horizon disaster and there the US public eye became focused on the subject, because it is in their back yard not some other part of the world.


I'm not sure, could be the case.

I wonder also if it may just be chaotic coincidence or maybe aging systems and we may see a multitude of future falings due to that.


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RE: Gulf oil platform explodes, burning off La. coast - 9/2/2010 2:16:27 PM   
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RE: Gulf oil platform explodes, burning off La. coast - 9/2/2010 2:20:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Icarys

quote:

Sure...to what? First of all wind energy is now being assailed because it is claimed there is an increasing body of evidence that blade-rate vibration/noise (..caused by turbine blades passing the supporting post...) can be harmful.

Ethanol? you mean the fuel that takes more energy to produce than it provides?

Natural Gas? Yes...a big possibility but it has to be drilled-for...or created/processed from things like oil shales...

SOLAR? ...zero chance of running large transportation vehicles such as ships or trains from SOLAR...

coal? ..... doesn't burn well in your car....or your home furnace.....but it does work in power plants...but you'll piss-off Al Gore.......

wood? ......we have lost enough forests worldwide.....and Al will get even MORE pissed...

fuel cells? ....sure...and who will pay for them?....look recently at the price per kw for even the most basic fuel cells?

.....fusion? .....yes...my grandkids' grandkids MAY have that option....

The reality is that there is no realistic replacement for oil,


No replacement as of yet but we don't have a choice..We're going to have to find it eventually. In the meantime..a combination of alternatives can and would take a larger load of the worlds power needs if it was implemented on a grand scale.

Oh btw here's an interesting link or two on large solar/wind powered ships.

I'm a firm believer, if man can dream it and has the tenacity to make it happen..He will succeed most times.

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/TECH/09/12/solar.ships/
http://observers.france24.com/en/content/20081120-solar-powered-tankers-ready-2010-sails-cargo




As I have said elsewhere, as we eat, we create fuel ourselves, yes, that bi product of digestion we are currently wasting. I believe in the US there are a few programs to gather gas from cattle poop, why not human poop.

But one thing is for certain, as we have a massive interest in sailing, those skills are there to be used and could be again and if not sailing, using the wind to power generators to drive ships, or at least supplement their fuel.

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RE: Gulf oil platform explodes, burning off La. coast - 9/2/2010 2:25:18 PM   
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As I have said elsewhere, as we eat, we create fuel ourselves, yes, that bi product of digestion we are currently wasting. I believe in the US there are a few programs to gather gas from cattle poop, why not human poop.

But one thing is for certain, as we have a massive interest in sailing, those skills are there to be used and could be again and if not sailing, using the wind to power generators to drive ships, or at least supplement their fuel.

We surely didn't get where we are today thinking "We can't".

I suppose just about anything is possible when you put your mind to it.


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RE: Gulf oil platform explodes, burning off La. coast - 9/2/2010 2:25:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sanity


The Gulf thats being discussed in this thread lies off the coast of the United States.

There are American jobs at stake, which has a Liberal ever seen an American job they would like to see the United States keep here?



Of course, we just want to see all jobs of conservatives kept.

That way we can sit back, drink beer, and live off the labor of you hard-working folks.



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RE: Gulf oil platform explodes, burning off La. coast - 9/2/2010 2:31:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Before all you guys and gals start with the wild conspiracies (to late), try to get the facts on this issue. What is known to date/time? There are many unanswered questions, that have to be studied before assinging blaming, or bring up lame political statements.


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RE: Gulf oil platform explodes, burning off La. coast - 9/2/2010 2:35:34 PM   
Hillwilliam


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Status: offline 		Anyone want to bet that either an engine overheated or someone was welding where they shouldn't have been or without proper shielding?

No conspiracy at work.  Just bad luck and/or sloppiness.

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