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RE: Hawking: God Did Not Create Universe - 9/14/2010 10:41:39 AM   
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Because there is nothing in the known universe that violates the law of conservation of momentum.

Yes yes and every time science has come up against something that didn't fit into the last law we've had to make a new field of science to explain it. It gets a little more muddled when you get into quantum physics doesn't it? Things act stranger and stranger the further we get.

This is known as the "god of the gaps." You are welcome to shove your deity(s) into the gaps in human knowledge but be prepared that science has a habit of filling in those gaps without need the supernatural.

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RE: Hawking: God Did Not Create Universe - 9/14/2010 10:51:02 AM   
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RE: Hawking: God Did Not Create Universe - 9/14/2010 11:29:25 AM   
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And there is something so rational and scientific about having to edit quotes for content to make a point.

Yes, I generally trim quotes to improve readability a practice which is not only accepted but actively encouraged. If at any point you have an actual issue with how I've quoted you, you feel the way you've been quoted to misrepresent your position or some such by all means bring it up preferably when it's happening so that we can improve the discussion.  However, if you're just latching on to a criticism that Julia made in order to attack me personally....that's lame.

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Darwin would be Proud!!!

Are you really surprised that I cut out bullshit like this to improve readability?

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RE: Hawking: God Did Not Create Universe - 9/14/2010 11:58:42 AM   
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This is known as the "god of the gaps." You are welcome to shove your deity(s) into the gaps in human knowledge but be prepared that science has a habit of filling in those gaps without need the supernatural.


The fact that I think the science of it all is "weird" has nothing to do with how I perceive it's truth. Nobody is trying to shove God into anything..He fits quite nicely into all areas of life including quantum physics.

If you don't believe it or see it..it doesn't make one bit of difference in the scheme of things to me. You, Sam and others say there is no God..That's your belief but you can't know that and I think Sam is the only one who has acknowledged the possibility that "He might exist and be yet undetectable"...We can each believe what we want and you all of course can think your right in that..The universe will keep going regardless..at least I have faith it will for the foreseeable future.


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RE: Hawking: God Did Not Create Universe - 9/14/2010 12:00:42 PM   
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RE: Hawking: God Did Not Create Universe - 9/14/2010 12:02:36 PM   
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RE: Hawking: God Did Not Create Universe - 9/14/2010 12:16:31 PM   
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What was the word you decided on to use instead of Beielf system, world view, assumptions, ect. there were a whole bunch.

What term did you decide on, that didn't include the concept of belief in it.

We don't need to do the whole thread again. Since you won it, just give me that term.

First of all lets get on the same page, is this the thread you are talking about? http://www.collarchat.com/m_3263683/mpage_1/tm.htm

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RE: Hawking: God Did Not Create Universe - 9/14/2010 12:16:38 PM   
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This is known as the "god of the gaps." You are welcome to shove your deity(s) into the gaps in human knowledge but be prepared that science has a habit of filling in those gaps without need the supernatural.

There's nothing wrong with the God of the Gaps. Never has been. Cardinal Bellarmine, writing to Foscarini in 1615, said:

I say that, if there were a real proof that the Sun is in the centre of the universe, that the Earth is in the third sphere, and that the Sun does not go round the Earth but the Earth round the Sun, then we should have to proceed with great circumspection in explaining passages of Scripture which appear to teach the contrary, and we should rather have to say that we did not understand them than declare an opinion to be false which is proved to be true. But I do not think there is any such proof since none has been shown to me.

That last sentence reflects the same attitude that science takes toward God. Theology has no problem with it. It is only superstition and politics that do. And we would benefit from a lot less of both.

K.

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RE: Hawking: God Did Not Create Universe - 9/14/2010 12:21:20 PM   
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This is known as the "god of the gaps." You are welcome to shove your deity(s) into the gaps in human knowledge but be prepared that science has a habit of filling in those gaps without need the supernatural.

Nothing wrong with the God of the Gaps. Never has been. Cardinal Bellarmine, writing to Foscarini in 1615, said:

I say that, if there were a real proof that the Sun is in the centre of the universe, that the Earth is in the third sphere, and that the Sun does not go round the Earth but the Earth round the Sun, then we should have to proceed with great circumspection in explaining passages of Scripture which appear to teach the contrary, and we should rather have to say that we did not understand them than declare an opinion to be false which is proved to be true. But I do not think there is any such proof since none has been shown to me.

That last sentence reflects the same attitude that science takes toward God. Theology has no problem with it. It is superstition and politics that do. And we could do with a lot less of both.

K.

Everything is wrong with the God of the Gaps. Every time a gap gets filled in it gives one less place to hide the supernatural. Your god gets smaller and smaller with every discovery.

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RE: Hawking: God Did Not Create Universe - 9/14/2010 12:31:52 PM   
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RE: Hawking: God Did Not Create Universe - 9/14/2010 12:37:48 PM   
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Everything is wrong with the God of the Gaps. Every time a gap gets filled in it gives one less place to hide the supernatural. Your god gets smaller and smaller with every discovery.

My God? You need to get a better grip on that crystal ball. What the fuck would you know!

But bless your little heart, you have a genuine missionary zeal for promoting your faith's doctrine that all religion is superstition. I bet you could make an evangelical Christian jealous!

K.

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RE: Hawking: God Did Not Create Universe - 9/14/2010 12:40:30 PM   
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I know quite a bit more about QP than you do.


That may or may not be true but I have more common sense than you do.



If you did you would demonstrate it now and then. And theism is as far from common sense as you can get.

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RE: Hawking: God Did Not Create Universe - 9/14/2010 12:42:34 PM   
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Everything is wrong with the God of the Gaps. Every time a gap gets filled in it gives one less place to hide the supernatural. Your god gets smaller and smaller with every discovery.

My God? You need to get a better grip on that crystal ball. What the fuck would you know!

But bless your little heart, you have a genuine missionary zeal for promoting your faith's doctrine that all religion is superstition. I bet you could make an evangelical Christian jealous!

K.

You're the one who advocated god of the gaps as a good thing not I. Now correct me if I'm wrong but that does make the god of god of the gaps your god as far as I can tell.

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RE: Hawking: God Did Not Create Universe - 9/14/2010 12:49:02 PM   
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RE: Hawking: God Did Not Create Universe - 9/14/2010 12:50:30 PM   
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Is there nothing any of you believe in that has yet to be figured out? You don't have to answer...I already know the answer to that 


Yup. Dark matter.

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RE: Hawking: God Did Not Create Universe - 9/14/2010 12:51:33 PM   
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This is known as the "god of the gaps." You are welcome to shove your deity(s) into the gaps in human knowledge but be prepared that science has a habit of filling in those gaps without need the supernatural.

There's nothing wrong with the God of the Gaps. Never has been. Cardinal Bellarmine, writing to Foscarini in 1615, said:

I say that, if there were a real proof that the Sun is in the centre of the universe, that the Earth is in the third sphere, and that the Sun does not go round the Earth but the Earth round the Sun, then we should have to proceed with great circumspection in explaining passages of Scripture which appear to teach the contrary, and we should rather have to say that we did not understand them than declare an opinion to be false which is proved to be true. But I do not think there is any such proof since none has been shown to me.

That last sentence reflects the same attitude that science takes toward God. Theology has no problem with it. It is only superstition and politics that do. And we would benefit from a lot less of both.

K.


Theology is superstition.

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RE: Hawking: God Did Not Create Universe - 9/14/2010 12:56:47 PM   
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Is there nothing any of you believe in that has yet to be figured out? You don't have to answer...I already know the answer to that 


Yup. Dark matter.



Well, if dark matter needs figuring out, theres alot less calculation needing to be done that just a year ago, recently (there was a thread on which we spoke on it here) they done forgot some naughts on their cypherin and decided that the universe is alot heavier than they thought and they really don't need so much dark matter anymore.

But......it is still in the ozone near as I can tell, no final score on it. 

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RE: Hawking: God Did Not Create Universe - 9/14/2010 1:25:27 PM   
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You're the one who advocated god of the gaps as a good thing not I. Now correct me if I'm wrong but that does make the god of god of the gaps your god as far as I can tell.

Your conclusions frequently derive from an apparently supernatural belief that whenever an assumption pops into your head it "reveals" to you a logical connection.

K.

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RE: Hawking: God Did Not Create Universe - 9/14/2010 1:27:17 PM   
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If you did you would demonstrate it now and then. And theism is as far from common sense as you can get.

I have..Your lacking in it so it's hard for you to discern. It's okay..It's not on the quiz, genius.


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RE: Hawking: God Did Not Create Universe - 9/14/2010 1:30:28 PM   
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If you did you would demonstrate it now and then. And theism is as far from common sense as you can get.

I have..Your lacking in it so it's hard for you to discern. It's okay..It's not on the quiz, genius.



I'd love to wager on quiz results against you!

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