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RE: OH MY GAWD SOMEONE DID IT - 9/11/2010 9:14:28 PM   
thornhappy


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Status: offline 		Many in the right would be howling if a Muslim burned a Bible.  After all, they say there's a "war on Christmas" just because people say "happy holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas."

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RE: OH MY GAWD SOMEONE DID IT - 9/11/2010 9:16:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

You know what, the fact you are so dismissive about an action that could be used to recruit more radicals to the cause of killing our troops doesn't surprise me in the least


sure it could. yawwwwnnnn.

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RE: OH MY GAWD SOMEONE DID IT - 9/11/2010 9:19:07 PM   
juliaoceania


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ORIGINAL: thornhappy

Many in the right would be howling if a Muslim burned a Bible.  After all, they say there's a "war on Christmas" just because people say "happy holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas."


Too true, does it make me sadistic that I say Happy Holidays just to get people's goat? They can't fire me

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RE: OH MY GAWD SOMEONE DID IT - 9/11/2010 9:24:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

The really stupid thing about burning the Quran is that they claim they're being patriotic by doing so. Patriotic for trying to overturn the Bill of Rights and remove freedom of religion? How is that patriotic?

What other Rights do they want to appeal? Emancipation Proclamation maybe? 1964 Civil Rights Act? Suffrage?

Shit, if they're going that far, why not hand the country back over to the Queen of England and become colonies again?


An individual (expressing his First Amendment rights) is not a government violating the anti-establisment clause. Youve got some Constitutional learnin to do.

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RE: OH MY GAWD SOMEONE DID IT - 9/11/2010 9:25:10 PM   
OokieMonster


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Status: offline 		To the people who think that all Muslims are violent extremists, please educate yourself on the religion AND the Middle East. Even the countries in the Middle East have had to deal with extremists fighting Muslims. It's disgusting to judge an entire group of people and only basing your judgments off of what you see on the television, which is widely sensationalized. Egypt, for an example, has been having to deal with radical extremists loooong before the U.S. has had to and so have other places in that area. Islamic people don't hate Christians or Jewish people because they all worship the same god and Muslims believe in the same exact prophets that Christians (including Jesus) and Jewish people believe in. 

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RE: OH MY GAWD SOMEONE DID IT - 9/11/2010 9:30:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

I have a different conception of what is "American" than you do. In my eyes, freedom of religion, whether Christian or otherwise, is sacrosanct... as is the right to freedom of speech. I know that certain people think up is down, and back is forward... but the last I looked the values I ascribe to are enshrined in the Constitution.... I think I might seem that way only because you are extraordinarily ethnocentric....



LOL, Julia. And I therefore have no regard for free speech or religion? Do you read your own posts? You certainly seem to miss a lot of what is in mine.

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RE: OH MY GAWD SOMEONE DID IT - 9/11/2010 9:33:57 PM   
juliaoceania


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Status: offline 		Where did I say you didn't value freedom of speech or religion? You fairly much are telling me that standing up for those rights makes me someone who is fearful of my own culture.. that isn't true. I am saying that your assertion that I am a dupe is because you fear Islam, and that makes you ethnocentric.

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RE: OH MY GAWD SOMEONE DID IT - 9/11/2010 10:33:20 PM   
TheHeretic


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Status: offline 		I'm not afraid of Islam, Julia. I'm just not a potential buyer. I do have issues with those who believe they are special though, and I believe there are highly educated fools willing to embrace any culture other than their own, even if that other culture is significantly more violent, misogynistic, superstitious, and ethically unpalatable.

I do fear suppression of free speech and religion. I'm quite the asshole, when it comes to these things. I'm perfectly happy to look at this jackass in the OP as nothing but a jackass, but if he winds up murdered because of it, I'll call him a martyr. So should you, but we'll burn that bridge when we come to it, I suppose.

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RE: OH MY GAWD SOMEONE DID IT - 9/12/2010 12:28:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: stef

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

I wonder Popeye, why are you forever using other people's posts to make some unrelated point? Nothing you posted has a damned thing to do with this thread. It is like you pull shit out of thin air so you can make it about something completely unrelated.

Howie Carr hasn't yet told him how he should feel about this, so he's a bit out of his depth.  Cut him some slack.

~stef



Stef, seen any good cartoons lately?
Yeah, I guess there were some "good Nazis" too.

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RE: OH MY GAWD SOMEONE DID IT - 9/12/2010 1:37:44 AM   
NorthernGent


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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Someone burned a Koran, now were all gonna die!

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2010/09/11/2010-09-11_man_ignites_koran_near_ground_zero_apparently_prompted_by_florida_pastor_terry_j.html



Ahhh yes....all those debates we had about Nazism being more in line with Conservatism.....seems we have an anecdote to support the point.....

Watching the news....why do all these agitators sport overgrown facial hair? Is there something about beards that turn people into lunatics who want to burn things?



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RE: OH MY GAWD SOMEONE DID IT - 9/12/2010 3:25:46 AM   
hertz


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Status: offline 		It's really difficult to legislate against stoooopidity. The sad thing is the stooooopid people are rarely the ones who suffer the consequences of their stooopidity. The ones who will suffer will be the troops in Afghanistan and the civilians who will get caught up in the resulting firestorm. 

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RE: OH MY GAWD SOMEONE DID IT - 9/12/2010 4:52:40 AM   
StrangerThan


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: StrangerThan

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No one is threatening anything.



When you can get past the bullshit of that statement, then I'll waste time writing a response.


Yes, I see we are back to your trademark arrogance.

If you want to post be prepared to defend your views, otherwise you are just wasting everyone's time, including your own.



It isn't arrogance. It is staring at the screen wondering why I need to walk back through the past week or two for you, through the demonstrations, the death's to America, the warnings of what we must do and should do coming from various points across the globe. I mean that statement is almost stupefying in its avoidance of what the past week has been.

Tell you what, you go read some news last week, then I'll defend my views. Where I am not going to start defending them however is from a point you construct in fantasy land.


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RE: OH MY GAWD SOMEONE DID IT - 9/12/2010 6:34:35 AM   
domiguy


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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Stef, seen any good cartoons lately?
Yeah, I guess there were some "good Nazis" too.



22% of the world's population are Muslim. You are a very stupid man.

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RE: OH MY GAWD SOMEONE DID IT - 9/12/2010 7:10:19 AM   
domiguy


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Status: offline 		Although it's not a very "Christian" act, I have no problem with anyone choosing to burn whatever it is they choose. It is your right and it should be protected.

What is astounding is the hypocrisy. So much for the words of Christ.

We are an ignorant people and our love of sound bytes and sweeping generalizations make us very susceptible to half truths or outright falsehoods.

22% of the of the Word's population are Muslim. About 1 million or so of those live in the States. They, like the rest of other Americans, are a very peaceful group of people that are making their way through this life.

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ORIGINAL: Malkinius

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Greetings all....

I am not surprised that someone had the guts to do it or that others will follow him. .Be well all....

Malkinius




What guts did it take to stand at ground zero and burn pages from the Koran? All it took was some ignorance, a hate filled agenda and a match. Is this guy really in danger?

Hell no. He is now a media darling.

What about the families of those that are serving overseas? Shouldn't they be extremely worried of reprisals? There loved ones are actually killing Muslims.

Haven't heard of any attacks on these families.

Hate, ignorance and poverty are the cornerstones of fanatacism.

There is little we can do about it and we should take every measure that is possible to protect ourselves from those intent on doing us harm.

I can only guess who this guy is that burned the pages of the Koran at Ground Zero. Better the pages of the Koran than a building in Olkahoma City.

The acts of the ignorant should never be applauded. It takes no more guts to stand in New York City and burn the Koran then to do it somewhere in buttfuck, Florida.

You want to show you have guts do it in Afghanistan.

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RE: OH MY GAWD SOMEONE DID IT - 9/12/2010 7:14:05 AM   
StrangerThan


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Status: offline 		Not only should they not be applauded, we should hold our media responsible as well. Neither jones nor this guy would have made anything more than a local stir if it hadn't been for the media.

Which makes you wonder when it comes to sharing blame for attacks that might result, who bears the bulk of the responsibility. A fruitcake or those feeding at the trough?


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RE: OH MY GAWD SOMEONE DID IT - 9/12/2010 7:29:51 AM   
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You want to show you have guts do it in Afghanistan


Never thought I'd agree with domiguy, but there it is - I do.

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RE: OH MY GAWD SOMEONE DID IT - 9/12/2010 7:40:40 AM   
Lucylastic


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Status: offline 		heh the man makes a lot of sense. even wrapped up in his own particular "abrasive " style, but please dont tell him  I said that, or hes gonna be after gash shots and Ijust had mine spackled


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RE: OH MY GAWD SOMEONE DID IT - 9/12/2010 7:45:38 AM   
DCWoody


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Status: offline 		Couple of points:
Moderate muslim organisation are constantly 'denouncing' shit, it just doesn't make the news. People saying that murder is wrong isn't as interesting as whatever it is we're all going to die from today.
Re:Cutting off heads, USA has the death penalty too numbnuts.


As for the whole thing......there is an argument for burning the Koran, imagine a metaphor where Islam is medically obese, constantly offending Islam without suffering gods wrath is jogging, and the riots (that've already resulted in deaths) are the threat of a heart attack.

Get the lard arse jogging, and he could have a heart attack....but Drs generally recommend it anyways.


I don't credit OP with being sophisticated enough to make this arguement, but it is out there.

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RE: OH MY GAWD SOMEONE DID IT - 9/12/2010 7:45:52 AM   
RacerJim


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Status: offline 		OMG...ONE man burns a COUPLE PAGES of ONE Kuran at/near Ground Zero on 9/11...such a religiously insensitive, intolerant and provocative act the world has never known!!!! The U.S. military being ordered to burn a COUPLE HUNDRED BIBLES sent to our troops in Afghanistan for Christman last year pales in comparison....NOT!!!!!

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RE: OH MY GAWD SOMEONE DID IT - 9/12/2010 7:58:55 AM   
DCWoody


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Status: offline 		Oh and also, this old clip from when the US was building that missile site next to Russia is relevant I feel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt2u4dlZBHE

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