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ORIGINAL: Archer

L&M What a crock, My original statement included that it was a practice that Christians used as well, but in the rush to call "bigot" some folks ignored that point.

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"The idea that this couldn't be considered a "victory mosque" ignores centuries of history in which mosques have been erected in the locations of Muslim "victories". Not too unlike Christian history of churches and holidays being built on top of pagan holidays and sacred sites."...


Politesub your holding to my exact words versus the idea expressed wins a point and loses one. The distinction between building on top of the physical foundation after destroying a building and converting by extensive remodeling (such as the case in Hagia Sophia) while fair point when holding someone to exact verbage ignores that the church was in fact converted. It was a church but it isn't now.

Today it would be considered a war crime.

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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

In 1453 Sultan Mehmed laid siege to Constantinople, driven in part by a desire to convert the city to Islam. [12] The Sultan promised his troops three days of unbridled pillage if the city fell, after which he would claim its contents himself. [13] [14]. The Hagia Sophia was not exempted from the pillage, becoming its focal point as the invaders believed it to contain the greatest treasures of the city.[15] Shortly after the city’s defenses collapsed, pillagers made their way to the Hagia Sophia and battered down its doors. [16] Throughout the siege the Holy Liturgy and Prayer of the Hours were performed at the Hagia Sophia, and the church formed a refuge for many of those who were unable to contribute to the city’s defense.[17] [18] Trapped in the church, congregants and refugees became booty to be divided amongst the invaders. The building was desecrated and looted, and occupants enslaved or slaughtered;[15] a few of the elderly and infirm were killed, and the remainder chained.[16] Priests purportedly continued to perform Christian rites until stopped by the invaders.[16] When the Sultan and his cohort entered the church, one of the Ulama climbed the pulpit and recited the Shahada, transforming at once the church into a mosque.[19]. Immediately after the Ottoman Turks conquered Constantinople in 1453, the Hagia Sophia was converted into the Ayasofya Mosque.[6]


The conversion from Hagai Sophia to Ayasofya Mosque was virtually instant. And very violent.


You really don't see any war crimes in that event?


Maybe you should get your glasses checked ....

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ORIGINAL: luckydawg


The conversion from Hagai Sophia to Ayasofya Mosque was virtually instant. And very violent.

You really don't see any war crimes in that event?

Maybe you should get your glasses checked ....

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

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ORIGINAL: luckydawg


The conversion from Hagai Sophia to Ayasofya Mosque was virtually instant. And very violent.

You really don't see any war crimes in that event?

Maybe you should get your glasses checked ....

Thats right Lucky, keep on with the selective replies. Did you even read my words or my link re the Muslim conquest of Constantinople. Any fool knows war is violent and that rape and pillage take place, even you. You do know Christians did exactly the same, right ? Im clearly talking about the conversion of the Church into a Mosque.

So I wear glasses to correct my eyesight, what do you use to correct your stupidity ?

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Well if that is a drift off topic, perhaps you could explain when it was the armies of Islam invaded New York and forcibly converted all of those infidels they didn't just put to the sword, which would be necessary to make this community centre/mosque/pork butcher/whatever a no messing Victory Mosque?

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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead

Well if that is a drift off topic, perhaps you could explain when it was the armies of Islam invaded New York and forcibly converted all of those infidels they didn't just put to the sword, which would be necessary to make this community centre/mosque/pork butcher/whatever a no messing Victory Mosque?

I don't believe you or anyone has put forward proof that only an event like the fall of Cnstantinople produces victory Mosques.

So untill you show that, your post is meaningless nonsense.

Just someone shitting on a thread.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

what decree?  I posted alot more than that, the slaughter of non-christians, the overthrow of temples of  non-christians and so on by christians.

and I was talking generally in terms of the tu quoque, here on this thread.

don't assume you're central to my universe, you so ain't.