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RE: S Angle just picked up another 5% - 9/14/2010 9:30:49 PM

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It's not that they're wrong that's disconcerting. It's why they're wrong. The GOP party chairman said O'Donnell wasn't qualified to be a dog catcher, and now she will represent the ticket come Nov. No one except the most ignorant among us believes she can win and the party hadn't counted on that. That says alot.

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RE: S Angle just picked up another 5% - 9/14/2010 9:38:25 PM

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It's not that they're wrong that's disconcerting. It's why they're wrong. The GOP party chairman said O'Donnell wasn't qualified to be a dog catcher, and now she will represent the ticket come Nov. No one except the most ignorant among us believes she can win and the party hadn't counted on that. That says alot.

You are quite right. It does say a lot. What it says is sorta opposite of what you're probably thinking though.

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RE: S Angle just picked up another 5% - 9/14/2010 9:41:08 PM

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Well, I'm thinking people are even stupider than we give them credit for. What were you thinking?

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RE: S Angle just picked up another 5% - 9/14/2010 9:41:48 PM

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It's not that they're wrong that's disconcerting. It's why they're wrong. The GOP party chairman said O'Donnell wasn't qualified to be a dog catcher, and now she will represent the ticket come Nov. No one except the most ignorant among us believes she can win and the party hadn't counted on that. That says alot.

It's entertaining to imagine what the Koch brothers think of this. The "movement" they founded and funded has now eviscerated their close friend, the Distinguished Gentleman from Rhode Island. In the words of Liz Lemon "Oh, monsters. Why did I create you?"

I remain convinced the American Empire is doomed, but a few moments of gory political entertainment like this on the way down the spiral are still capital fun.

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RE: S Angle just picked up another 5% - 9/14/2010 9:44:47 PM

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Amen.

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RE: S Angle just picked up another 5% - 9/14/2010 9:44:59 PM

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Well, I'm thinking people are even stupider than we give them credit for. What were you thinking?

I'm thinking they're mad as hell. And I don't think it will stop with this election.

And I'd be willing to bet, that establishment Republicans are about as scared of them winning general elections as many establishment democrats are.

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RE: S Angle just picked up another 5% - 9/14/2010 9:50:27 PM

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You missed the point. Neither establishment Democrats nor Republicans believe the Tea Party candidates can win in a general election. I understand anger, but anger cannot be a platform for governing. You have to have solutions. Thinking people know this.

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RE: S Angle just picked up another 5% - 9/14/2010 11:29:15 PM

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Are you watching the news coverage of this tonight, Rich? Most mainstream GOP pundits believe these Tea Party candidates cannot win in the general election come Nov. The people who tend to vote in the Primaries are the most extreme of their party. Independents, which make up the largest voting block, could not vote. Even the Republicans know this.

Shame on you for doubting it.

Mainstream GOP pundits, and for that matter, left wing pundits haven';t been right on much at all this election season.

If there's shame involved, it's hoping a majority of people divide themselves so the sorry pieces of shit in office can stay there.

I swear to God, it's like vote for me, I SUCK less than the other one.

And, I'm independent. I'll vote for one them if they're running against an incumbent.

ST, I'm an "I" too, I'll do the same as you, I want *NEW BLOOD* in office!
If they're an "Incumbent" "THROW THE BUMS OUT!
Three terms for a congressman, two terms for a senator. They shouldn't be making a "career" out of it!

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RE: S Angle just picked up another 5% - 9/15/2010 3:21:58 AM

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You missed the point. Neither establishment Democrats nor Republicans believe the Tea Party candidates can win in a general election. I understand anger, but anger cannot be a platform for governing. You have to have solutions. Thinking people know this.

I didn't miss the point. Whether this wave washes over the sand castle or falls short, isn't the issue. I'm not an Oracle nor do I have a crystal ball. I'd guess some will win, some will lose. They very well may benefit Democrats. Which I'm sure will cause many here to jump and rejoice and think they have a mandate, sort of the way Bush assumed he had a mandate when he won his second term.

The point is, something unique happened in this election cycle. Both sides of the establishment have tried to kill the movement. Republicans have tried to stomp all over the challengers. Democrats have sat in the wings flinging insult, derision, and their own brand of hatred. It's kind of funny in a way, sort of like two obese cancer-ridden bodies acting in collusion to stem the flow thinking their salvation lies in maintaining the status quo.

What's unique is that people are taking a stand, a real one. They're not sitting by and letting the people they elected to be thinking people act like they don't exist or sideline them anymore. They are acting in the way their founding fathers provided, in a way I'd suspect those same founding fathers would have hoped people would react if government had reached the point where public service was anything but. Win or lose, the establishment has been put on notice. And if true compromise isn't something we can recapture in this country, then both sides of the fringe are going to have to figure out what to do with that anger because it won't go away if they keep playing politics as usual.

Shrug. I like it. I think it's about damned time.

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RE: S Angle just picked up another 5% - 9/15/2010 4:40:58 AM

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You are echoing the reasons I voted for Obama.

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RE: S Angle just picked up another 5% - 9/15/2010 5:01:33 AM

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I can understand that. I can understand people being disillusioned, angry, and feeling they have no voice.

Unfortunately, that's still the case.

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RE: S Angle just picked up another 5% - 9/15/2010 5:08:49 AM

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First of all, I don't have a party.

Second of all, I been telling dipshit democrats out here for a good while that you should be loving tea party folk - at least for now.

If Angle beats reid, lower case intended, now that would be just fucking awesome.

You don't listen well, do you rlm? I like seeing them all fall.

So you keep telling me.

Somehow though I never hear you saying dipshit Republicans or using lower case to refer to one of them.

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RE: S Angle just picked up another 5% - 9/15/2010 5:23:57 AM

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The point is, something unique happened in this election cycle. Both sides of the establishment have tried to kill the movement. Republicans have tried to stomp all over the challengers. Democrats have sat in the wings flinging insult, derision, and their own brand of hatred. It's kind of funny in a way, sort of like two obese cancer-ridden bodies acting in collusion to stem the flow thinking their salvation lies in maintaining the status quo.

You've really bought into this haven't you?

The great grassroots movement founded and run by the true patriotic average American.

So............let me ask, where did this money come from? Do they pass the hat at teabagger rallies?

GOP dream derailed by tea party?

Still, O'Donnell's surprise victory was a significant win for the Tea Party Express, which spent $250,000 at the last minute to boost O'Donnell's campaign.

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RE: S Angle just picked up another 5% - 9/15/2010 6:18:18 AM

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Nothing you said was very interesting except for this:

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[...] And if true compromise isn't something we can recapture in this country, then both sides of the fringe are going to have to figure out what to do with that anger because it won't go away if they keep playing politics as usual. [...]

If it's compromise you seek, why elect the most extreme elements of a party to office?Haven't the Tea Baggers been campaigning for a year now to throw out all the 'compromisers?' The ones being elected now will do the most to hold up any legislation or reforms that might come from the Obama admistration, even when Obama is right they will fight him on principle. Is that the kind of "politics as usual" you are talking about, or do you even know?

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RE: S Angle just picked up another 5% - 9/15/2010 6:21:59 AM

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I see ZERO compromise from the Obama administration. It's his way or the highway. Could be the latter in 2012.

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RE: S Angle just picked up another 5% - 9/15/2010 6:41:57 AM

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You have no idea what you are talking about. Obama took the public option for healthcare reform off the table as a compromise. He was willing to include Tort reform if the Republicans were willing to compromise on creating "sick pools" - they weren't.

Obama compromised on nationalizing the banks - which many liberals wanted - to preserve capitalism.

The entire financial reform legislation is almost a joke because of all the compromise with Republicans to get it passed. It does little to prevent banks from putting profit ahead of principle.

Obama is willing to delay allowing the Bush tax cuts to expire, as long as the delay is limited to two years. Repubs won't budge on this issue, so he will compromise by only allowing them to expire for millionaires and billionaires. The Repubs are still bitching.

Shall I go on?

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RE: S Angle just picked up another 5% - 9/15/2010 6:59:06 AM

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The public option came off the table because he couldn't get it past his own party, Brainia. That you would use such a distortion as an argument doesn't do good things for the case you are trying to make.

I have a feeling the President will learn much about what "compromise" really means when the next Congress is seated.

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RE: S Angle just picked up another 5% - 9/15/2010 7:03:15 AM

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He couldn't get it past his party not because of ideological reasons Rich.

The health lobby lords over the democrats as well as the republicans, independants, teabaggers, nazis, communists or whatever in this here country.

And as for compromise next seating? Hell no, the democrats are going to dig their heels in and obstruct everything just as the republicans did, there is no altruism anywhere. Nobody has learned any lessons from this, the old ways still hold, and are the bread and butter of this country.

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RE: S Angle just picked up another 5% - 9/15/2010 7:21:04 AM

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Not a single Repub wanted a public option and neither did many blue dog Democrats, for all the reasons Ron mentioned. But that was not the point. I was only correcting servant when he said he has seen ZERO compromise from Obama. That simply isn't true.

eta - He is compromising when he shouldn't, which is part of the problem. He is a quick study, though. If he is reelected in 2012, don't expect such favors from him.

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RE: S Angle just picked up another 5% - 9/15/2010 7:28:05 AM

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eta - He is compromising when he shouldn't, which is part of the problem. He is a quick study, though. If he is reelected in 2012, don't expect such favors from him.

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