StrangerThan
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Bullshit
You need to elaborate on what you are calling bullshit on.
Is that you have never tried to portray the teabaggers as a wholly grass roots movement, or is that you are denying the corporate, political, and financial backing this so-called movement of the people has?
I'm not denying anything rml. I'm not naive enough to think something starts from absolutely nothing in this day and age. I'm sure there is backing and equally sure you probably can't stand them.
It makes no difference.
Either way, I get to go home today where I get a couple of weeks before heading back out on the road. We can translate that fact into fucking rather than debating points that like the statement above, make no difference. Sometimes I read posts that leave me thoughtful out here, but rarely in this forum. This is like the pit at a dog fight. The teeth and fur here however, are partisanship, derision and a need to cast the other into irrelevancy. That tactic I first heard from Rush, who I listened to fairly often when Republicans were in power and I was on the opposing side of the debates. He used to talk of liberals as irrelevant and in the one call I actually got through to him on his show, I was given about 10 seconds, cut off and branded as what's wrong with America.
A few weeks later I was on a local talk show where I held the line against intelligent design being taught in schools. So I have no illusions as to the divide and tactics used between left and right. What I literally do not have rml, is a party. One thing I find immensely offensive however, is how both will use majorities when they have them to ram their agendas down the throats of the public at large. I don't think I am alone in that stance given that we overturned Congress during Clinton, during Bush, and are on the verge of potentially doing so again in this election and the one to follow in 2012.
I've studied enough of both sides to know there is always funding from suspect sources. Denying it is tantamount to insanity. I've studied both enough to know that outrage is often constructed rather than real. I've studied both enough to know that those who cling tenaciously to the coattails of either side can rarely be reasoned with. You either agree with them or they find some brush to paint and tar you. Folks hanging off the end of the right tend to use terms like treason a lot. Folks hanging off the left tend to revert to racism and bigotry. Both tactics are quite often those of simpletons who have a script to follow and have not the intelligence nor will to deviate from it.
I think both suck to high heaven. I think both parties suffer from their fringes. I think Democrats need their own tea party. I think it would help clear up lines that are blurred between those who make the most noise and those who simply want to go about life and have a government they can actually trust. I think a large and growing segment of the population wants someone to vote for, rather than simply casting votes against. I think a good many people on both sides of the extremist aisle are misjudging the anger and the willingness of independent voters to switch sides. Someone above noted that independents wouldn't vote for Christine O'Donnell. Maybe that's true, but gotta tell ya, given the choice, a lot of us wouldn't vote for a Democrat either. That's a fairly large concern for Dems right now because fringe does not a politician elect. Moderates and independents do.
So you go ahead and go on your little rant about who funds what. I've seen these too many times for it to make much of a dent because behind the people you champion will be similar shit. It is the nature of the beast we call politics and it means nothing. The truth of the matter is, movements don't gain traction if they cannot tap into a reservoir of discontent that already exists. This one has been ebbing and waning for 14 years. It started with Clinton and has now come full circle back to Obama. It washed over Bush and may well wash over here too. And yes, it contains a lot of right-wingers. They get no where with out independents and moderates though. Take the latter out of the equation and they become little more than a boisterous minority with no power to elect anyone - kinda like liberals right now.
Sooner or later, someone stuck out there in the fringe will realize, the nation really doesn't go along with you. They mostly tolerate you until you become enough of a nuisance or an asshole to send them back the other way.
So you guys have at. Keep slinging your shit across the aisle. I'll be fucking.
Try it sometime. It makes life much more peaceful and conducive to both harmony and being able to look at things in a more objective light.
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